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The D&D [Political Compass] Survey!

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  • enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    KevinNash wrote: »
    I think if you were to revise I would put 3 categories in each quadrant for a total of 12. A primary category (taking up maybe 70% or so) and then two secondary "fringe" category's (15% each).

    I'd do this:
    Spoiler:

    That's much better, but I can't revise the numbering system this late in, since the poll has already run. So I can leave in the OP what's there, or put in the more reasonable grid you have constructed here. I would love to hear opinions from posters on what's more sensible.

    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    When my wife took the test, she immediately agreed with that one. I was amused. Then she agreed with "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." I was not amused.

  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    enc0re wrote: »
    Lanlaorn wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    When my wife took the test, she immediately agreed with that one. I was amused. Then she agreed with "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." I was not amused.
    Remind me to not piss your wife off! :lol:

  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth is a good code for what it is. I would say that a wise ruler is merciful, however, and applies the law as it best suits the circumstance, which could mean waiving punishments, just though they be.

    Eye for an eye is a system designed to stop tribal warfare. Someone kills one of your men, you may kill only one of theirs. Likewise, if you lose an eye, you may only take one from them.

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  • HachfaceHachface Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Econ: -6.25
    Social: -6.97
    Spoiler:

    Listen to History Lessons With Caleb, Mike & Terry, a podcast for the ill-informed.
  • EvigilantEvigilant Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Your political compass

    Ec: 1.00
    Soc: -2.72
    Spoiler:

    "I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity." Dwight D. Eisenhower
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  • dragonsamadragonsama Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Economic Left/Right: 7.38
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.18
    Spoiler:

  • KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    enc0re wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    I think if you were to revise I would put 3 categories in each quadrant for a total of 12. A primary category (taking up maybe 70% or so) and then two secondary "fringe" category's (15% each).

    I'd do this:
    Spoiler:

    That's much better, but I can't revise the numbering system this late in, since the poll has already run. So I can leave in the OP what's there, or put in the more reasonable grid you have constructed here. I would love to hear opinions from posters on what's more sensible.

    Just replace my original labeling grid with this one. It doesn't have numbers but people can eyeball their results so they get an idea. Maybe when I'm really bored I'll go through and manually categorize.

  • sidhaethesidhaethe Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    ec=-7.62&soc=-7.38
    Spoiler:

  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    KevinNash wrote: »
    enc0re wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    I think if you were to revise I would put 3 categories in each quadrant for a total of 12. A primary category (taking up maybe 70% or so) and then two secondary "fringe" category's (15% each).

    I'd do this:
    Spoiler:

    That's much better, but I can't revise the numbering system this late in, since the poll has already run. So I can leave in the OP what's there, or put in the more reasonable grid you have constructed here. I would love to hear opinions from posters on what's more sensible.

    Just replace my original labeling grid with this one. It doesn't have numbers but people can eyeball their results so they get an idea. Maybe when I'm really bored I'll go through and manually categorize.

    I like the 70/30 setup but I think it would be nice to make one more segment in the Democratic Republican section to show where Dems and Republicans fall unless we are assuming that most Dem's rhetoric is more moderate than they actually are and they would fall further towards the bottom left quadrant. Having said that I'm not a fan of guessing at politicians "real stances".

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    No, I am not really communist. Yes, it is weird that I use this name.
  • KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    KevinNash wrote: »
    enc0re wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    I think if you were to revise I would put 3 categories in each quadrant for a total of 12. A primary category (taking up maybe 70% or so) and then two secondary "fringe" category's (15% each).

    I'd do this:
    Spoiler:

    That's much better, but I can't revise the numbering system this late in, since the poll has already run. So I can leave in the OP what's there, or put in the more reasonable grid you have constructed here. I would love to hear opinions from posters on what's more sensible.

    Just replace my original labeling grid with this one. It doesn't have numbers but people can eyeball their results so they get an idea. Maybe when I'm really bored I'll go through and manually categorize.

    I like the 70/30 setup but I think it would be nice to make one more segment in the Democratic Republican section to show where Dems and Republicans fall unless we are assuming that most Dem's rhetoric is more moderate than they actually are and they would fall further towards the bottom left quadrant. Having said that I'm not a fan of guessing at politicians "real stances".

    Here ya go:

    enc0re maybe use this one instead. Your discretion.
    Spoiler:

  • KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    And ironically according to my own revised graph I'm a liberal democrat (European definition) and not a libertarian.

    Which is probably true.

  • cncaudatacncaudata Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    There seems to me to be a problem with the economic axis being 1 dimensional. It essentially equates economic freedom with "corporations can do no wrong" when really the construct of the corporation and the way the law treats them is totally separate from questions of individual economic policy.

    Or am I the only one that thinks that way?

    And I suppose this is just as true of the "social" axis in that folks may disagree with the party line on abortion,gay marriage, etc.

  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User
    edited June 2010
    cncaudata wrote: »
    There seems to me to be a problem with the economic axis being 1 dimensional. It essentially equates economic freedom with "corporations can do no wrong" when really the construct of the corporation and the way the law treats them is totally separate from questions of individual economic policy.

    Or am I the only one that thinks that way?

    And I suppose this is just as true of the "social" axis in that folks may disagree with the party line on abortion,gay marriage, etc.

    They don't fit on the same axis the same way retributive justice and fucking astrology don't belong on the same axis. But that's what we get.

    the GOP shouldn't give a rats ass about them since they won't vote for them. If someone won't vote for you they might as well not exist.
  • HachfaceHachface Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Seriously does anyone understand the reasoning behind including astrology on this test?

    Listen to History Lessons With Caleb, Mike & Terry, a podcast for the ill-informed.
  • enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Spoiler:

  • ChanusChanus Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Hachface wrote: »
    Seriously does anyone understand the reasoning behind including astrology on this test?

    LOLHippies?

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  • enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Hachface wrote: »
    Seriously does anyone understand the reasoning behind including astrology on this test?

    It's a proxy for accepting outside authority over your own judgement. Exact same reason that religion has questions on the test.

  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User
    edited June 2010
    Chanus wrote: »
    Hachface wrote: »
    Seriously does anyone understand the reasoning behind including astrology on this test?

    LOLHippies?

    Seriously I thought, "If you answer Yes, into the bottom left you go!"
    enc0re wrote:
    It's a proxy for accepting outside authority over your own judgement. Exact same reason that religion has questions on the test.

    That sort of makes sense.

    But then accepting authority and willingness to exert authority are two different things as well.

    the GOP shouldn't give a rats ass about them since they won't vote for them. If someone won't vote for you they might as well not exist.
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    KevinNash wrote: »
    enc0re wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    I think if you were to revise I would put 3 categories in each quadrant for a total of 12. A primary category (taking up maybe 70% or so) and then two secondary "fringe" category's (15% each).

    I'd do this:
    Spoiler:

    That's much better, but I can't revise the numbering system this late in, since the poll has already run. So I can leave in the OP what's there, or put in the more reasonable grid you have constructed here. I would love to hear opinions from posters on what's more sensible.

    Just replace my original labeling grid with this one. It doesn't have numbers but people can eyeball their results so they get an idea. Maybe when I'm really bored I'll go through and manually categorize.

    I like the 70/30 setup but I think it would be nice to make one more segment in the Democratic Republican section to show where Dems and Republicans fall unless we are assuming that most Dem's rhetoric is more moderate than they actually are and they would fall further towards the bottom left quadrant. Having said that I'm not a fan of guessing at politicians "real stances".

    Or, you know, we could stop trying to put lipstick on a pig.

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  • legionofonelegionofone __BANNED USERS
    edited June 2010
    Economic Left/Right: -7.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.28

    Yeah no kidding. I always saw myself as more of a nationalist, and nowhere near Gandhi.

    "They have shit," Krause said. "Rights my ass. 'Rights'. Nobody has any fucking rights unless they've got a machine gun."
  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Economic Left/Right: -7.12
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.28

    Yeah no kidding. I always saw myself as more of a nationalist, and nowhere near Gandhi.

    Nationalism generally means that you value your traditional culture over the imposition of foreign values and that you support the use of the state to maintain those values.

    Some people placed in the authoritarian axis, but not many.

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  • Jebus314Jebus314 Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Economic Left/Right: -4.5
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95

    Hurray for being the second most common result!

    "The world is a mess, and I just need to rule it" - Dr Horrible
  • KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    cncaudata wrote: »
    There seems to me to be a problem with the economic axis being 1 dimensional. It essentially equates economic freedom with "corporations can do no wrong" when really the construct of the corporation and the way the law treats them is totally separate from questions of individual economic policy.

    Or am I the only one that thinks that way?

    And I suppose this is just as true of the "social" axis in that folks may disagree with the party line on abortion,gay marriage, etc.

    It's not so much "corporations can do no wrong" and more about how they are regulated, either by the government or in the marketplace.

    True right wing free marketeers don't believe in corporations to begin with since they are a legal construct that allows people to avoid culpability.

  • cncaudatacncaudata Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    KevinNash wrote: »
    cncaudata wrote: »
    There seems to me to be a problem with the economic axis being 1 dimensional. It essentially equates economic freedom with "corporations can do no wrong" when really the construct of the corporation and the way the law treats them is totally separate from questions of individual economic policy.

    Or am I the only one that thinks that way?

    And I suppose this is just as true of the "social" axis in that folks may disagree with the party line on abortion,gay marriage, etc.

    It's not so much "corporations can do no wrong" and more about how they are regulated, either by the government or in the marketplace.

    True right wing free marketeers don't believe in corporations to begin with since they are a legal construct that allows people to avoid culpability.

    Exactly. I guess I'm arguing I should be even further to the right on the spectrum, because the only questions I answered that would have moved me to the left were "anti-corporation" ones.

  • DelzhandDelzhand motivated battle programmerRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Economic Left/Right: -7.25
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

    While I do agree with the results, this test is pretty fucked. I can't believe my anti free-market responses didn't have more influence on the results.

    I can simulate the quiz in the OP:

    1) Which do you like more?
    a: Libertarian policy
    b: Kicking puppies

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I wonder why so many of you think this test is so bad. Maybe it just magically put people very close to what their political beliefs seem to be. Kevin Nash and just about everyone else are right where they are supposed to be.
    Spoiler:

    I have taken this a few times and it usually falls a few spaces up on the vertical axis. I think I would average out 1 or 2 blocks up on the vertical.

    You haven't given me a reason to steer clear of you!
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    For one, you can't separate social and economic issues. For another, it pretends freedom only means freedom from coercion.

  • enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Optimally, we would need a test that was externally validated against a large population sample. Poli Sci must have such a thing, no? Do we have any forumers who work in that area?

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited June 2010
    KevinNash wrote: »
    True right wing free marketeers don't believe in corporations to begin with since they are a legal construct that allows people to avoid culpability.

    I guess that sounds about right. True Right Wing Free Marketeers don't seem too fond of greeting economic misfortune with anything less than complete destruction. Lost your job? Ha, now you're homeless, sucker! Business venture didn't work? Whoo, you're in insurmountable debt for life!

    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am not!"
    Riley: "You're a marsupial!"
    Maddie: "I am a placental mammal!"
  • The Fourth EstateThe Fourth Estate Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    True right wing free marketeers don't believe in corporations to begin with since they are a legal construct that allows people to avoid culpability.

    I guess that sounds about right. True Right Wing Free Marketeers don't seem too fond of greeting economic misfortune with anything less than complete destruction. Lost your job? Ha, now you're homeless, sucker! Business venture didn't work? Whoo, you're in insurmountable debt for life!

    Natural Justice, at it's finest.

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  • KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    KevinNash wrote: »
    True right wing free marketeers don't believe in corporations to begin with since they are a legal construct that allows people to avoid culpability.

    I guess that sounds about right. True Right Wing Free Marketeers don't seem too fond of greeting economic misfortune with anything less than complete destruction. Lost your job? Ha, now you're homeless, sucker! Business venture didn't work? Whoo, you're in insurmountable debt for life!

    Natural Justice, at it's finest.

    Well to take the idea further in Libertopia there would be private free market mechanisms to help mitigate these things like additional insurance options to cover bankruptcy (as opposed to a legal declaration).

    How is this better than the current system? Because a free market insurance response to a shady business practice would be more thorough and granular in terms of coverage or lack thereof and oversight as opposed to a broad brush of government bankruptcy protection.

    Theoretically under a system like that good responsible businesses could easily get and maintain insurance to protect them from bankruptcy but if their practices became reckless or irresponsible they could lose their coverage putting them at serious risk for real financial ruin unless their behavior improved.

  • KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Delzhand wrote: »
    Economic Left/Right: -7.25
    Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

    While I do agree with the results, this test is pretty fucked. I can't believe my anti free-market responses didn't have more influence on the results.


    It put you well onto the left side of the spectrum. It clearly illustrates you are anti free-market. I'm not sure why you think that is inaccurate.

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