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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Raybies666 wrote: »
    Now that we've brought up Blast Corps, can Rare just drop it on 360 arcade? They've already done a few n64 games, but I don't know if they have carte blanche to do it with anything that isn't a nintendo property.

    Also, I would spend cash money to not get my n64 from my parents attic and have yet another box under the tv in my place.

    Sadly, they can't bring over the original Blast Corps, because it was published by Nintendo. At least, that's my understanding.

    They could make a new one though, which they really should.

  • Raybies666Raybies666 I can't believe there were 665 raybies here before meRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Raybies666 wrote: »
    Now that we've brought up Blast Corps, can Rare just drop it on 360 arcade? They've already done a few n64 games, but I don't know if they have carte blanche to do it with anything that isn't a nintendo property.

    Also, I would spend cash money to not get my n64 from my parents attic and have yet another box under the tv in my place.

    Sadly, they can't bring over the original Blast Corps, because it was published by Nintendo. At least, that's my understanding.

    They could make a new one though, which they really should.

    This is me, hoping your understanding is so, so wrong.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Klonoa of the Wind WAHOO!Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Well uh

    I mean, Nintendo published Banjo-Kazooie

    And Banjo-Tooie

    And Perfect Dark

    The only reason GoldenEye was held up so long is because the Bond license is held by Activision

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Well uh

    I mean, Nintendo published Banjo-Kazooie

    And Banjo-Tooie

    And Perfect Dark

    The only reason GoldenEye was held up so long is because the Bond license is held by Activision

    No, the Banjo games and Perfect Dark were published by Rare.
    With Goldeneye XBLA, they'd reached a deal with Activision. It was Nintendo who killed it.

  • GrimthwackerGrimthwacker Pegasus Knights do it in midairRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Well uh

    I mean, Nintendo published Banjo-Kazooie

    And Banjo-Tooie

    And Perfect Dark

    The only reason GoldenEye was held up so long is because the Bond license is held by Activision

    No, the Banjo games and Perfect Dark were published by Rare.
    With Goldeneye XBLA, they'd reached a deal with Activision. It was Nintendo who killed it.

    Oh, I think there's a much more sinister agenda going on here.

    Please, Activision. Please tell me you're not trying to remake Goldeneye . . . with Daniel Craig slapped in there to make it timely. Remember what happened the last time someone tried mucking with the name?

  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Yeah, they REALLY need to get off their asses and re-release Blast Corps. And JFG. Either on Live, or VC, whoever has the damn copyrights.

    Sadly though, I reckon there's 2 reasons why we haven't, and probably will never see them, neither of them good. Either the whole copyright litigation on them is simply too thick... or none of the companies involved think very highly of the games to bother with a release.

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  • The WolfmanThe Wolfman Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Well uh

    I mean, Nintendo published Banjo-Kazooie

    And Banjo-Tooie

    And Perfect Dark

    The only reason GoldenEye was held up so long is because the Bond license is held by Activision

    No, the Banjo games and Perfect Dark were published by Rare.
    With Goldeneye XBLA, they'd reached a deal with Activision. It was Nintendo who killed it.

    Actually, on a cursory Wikipedia glance, both Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie and Perfect Dark were published by Nintendo. The reason they can be on Live is because when Rare split, they took full control of both series with them. While Nintendo got basically all of the Donkey Kong stuff.

    The million dollar question though, is where do the other games fall? Nobody seems to ever have a clear answer on that.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Well, Rare's doing something:
    Rare's redesigned website now has a countdown clock on it, which is set to end the same day Microsoft has scheduled its media briefing. Not much is revealed on the teaser website, only the phrase "One in a million," which suggests this could be related to Xbox Live.

    http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/109/1095312p1.html

    And that's all the site has for the moment. If Leigh Loveday has been fired I'll be livid.

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  • BullioBullio Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Maybe a reference to the odds of Goldeneye coming to XBLA?
    Spoiler:

    If that Goldeneye remake actually happens for Wii and plays well, then I'm all for it.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Well uh

    I mean, Nintendo published Banjo-Kazooie

    And Banjo-Tooie

    And Perfect Dark

    The only reason GoldenEye was held up so long is because the Bond license is held by Activision

    No, the Banjo games and Perfect Dark were published by Rare.
    With Goldeneye XBLA, they'd reached a deal with Activision. It was Nintendo who killed it.

    Actually, on a cursory Wikipedia glance, both Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie and Perfect Dark were published by Nintendo. The reason they can be on Live is because when Rare split, they took full control of both series with them. While Nintendo got basically all of the Donkey Kong stuff.

    The million dollar question though, is where do the other games fall? Nobody seems to ever have a clear answer on that.

    The Wikipedia page has Rare down as a publisher.
    If it were just about who owned the properties, they'd only have to strike a deal with Activision, who would basically get free money from it, and who was on board.

  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Klonoa of the Wind WAHOO!Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Well, Rare's doing something:
    Rare's redesigned website now has a countdown clock on it, which is set to end the same day Microsoft has scheduled its media briefing. Not much is revealed on the teaser website, only the phrase "One in a million," which suggests this could be related to Xbox Live.

    More Avatar stuff!

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  • SollahSollah Registered User regular
    edited June 2010

    Oh, I think there's a much more sinister agenda going on here.

    Please, Activision. Please tell me you're not trying to remake Goldeneye . . . with Daniel Craig slapped in there to make it timely. Remember what happened the last time someone tried mucking with the name?

    I think it has less to do to being with the times and moreso with needing to get Brosnan's likeness.

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  • GrimthwackerGrimthwacker Pegasus Knights do it in midairRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Sollah wrote: »

    Oh, I think there's a much more sinister agenda going on here.

    Please, Activision. Please tell me you're not trying to remake Goldeneye . . . with Daniel Craig slapped in there to make it timely. Remember what happened the last time someone tried mucking with the name?

    I think it has less to do to being with the times and moreso with needing to get Brosnan's likeness.

    They could have gone with a kind of generic, Brosnan-ish look alike Bond like EA did for their first game with the license, Agent Under Fire, before actually getting Brosnan's likeness for their subsequent ones. Since Craig's "the man" for the forseeable future, I'm guessing (but not certain) that Acti would be obligated to use his likeness for any Bond-related games, if only to have it as a marketing point, but if they're planning to retroactively put him into Goldeneye (if this does pan out), it'd just be weird. Cosmically weird. Like, "recasting John Goodman for Marlon Brando's role in Apocalypse Now" weird.

  • TigTig Registered User
    edited June 2010
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    If Leigh Loveday has been fired I'll be livid.

    Oh my god. Is that guy still there? The man who wrote Scribes and Uncle Tusk back in the golden age? He was an utter legend.



    Also, +1 to whoever said CBFD has incredible multiplayer. Nudging PD/GE for my favourite multiplayer on the N64. Even with two maps in War mode it was just classic

  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I was so sad to hear Nintendo sold Rare....... Until they started releasing their games on the Xbox. Then I was like "Ohhh.. Nintendo you sly devils!"

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Tig wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    If Leigh Loveday has been fired I'll be livid.

    Oh my god. Is that guy still there? The man who wrote Scribes and Uncle Tusk back in the golden age? He was an utter legend.

    Yep. Even as of a few months ago he was still spewing his glorious cheeky/abusive British dry wit all over the site. Microsoft's newfound Rare focus on Natal/Avatars makes me fear that they'll force the company to get rid of him, or at least tone him down.

    We'll see in a few days, I guess.

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  • TurkeyTurkey Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    urahonky wrote: »
    I was so sad to hear Nintendo sold Rare....... Until they started releasing their games on the Xbox. Then I was like "Ohhh.. Nintendo you sly devils!"

    It sucks that this mindset is still going, even after Nuts & Bolts ended up being a really good game.

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  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Played some Diddy's Kong Quest earlier... and Toxic Tower reminded me pretty well of why I liked the first game better (not that DKQ didn't have some spectacular parts).

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  • OhtsamOhtsam Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    The first DKC game just feels so sterile and unfun when I play it now.
    Went back to DKC2 for the first time in a few years the other day and discovered its far easier when you aren't trying to make awful commentary simultaneously.

  • MC MysteryMC Mystery Registered User
    edited June 2010
    I can't believe no one here liked Viva Pinata. I don't even like sim games, and I loooooved Viva Pinata.

    I bought Nuts n Bolts from a bargain bin recently, haven't tried it out yet, been too addicted to Brutal Legend which I picked up from the same bin.

    Rare hasn't mattered to me in a long long time. Viva Pinata was a super pleasant surprise, and I am optimistic about Nuts and Bolts.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    MC Mystery wrote: »
    I can't believe no one here liked Viva Pinata. I don't even like sim games, and I loooooved Viva Pinata.

    I bought Nuts n Bolts from a bargain bin recently, haven't tried it out yet, been too addicted to Brutal Legend which I picked up from the same bin.

    Rare hasn't mattered to me in a long long time. Viva Pinata was a super pleasant surprise, and I am optimistic about Nuts and Bolts.

    I think Viva Pinata was decently popular around here at the time.

  • BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Yeah, I liked Viva Pinata.

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  • -SPI--SPI- Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I really liked Viva Pinata, although I kept thinking it would be much much better with mouse controls while I was playing it. Still bought the sequel though.

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  • BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    -SPI- wrote: »
    I really liked Viva Pinata, although I kept thinking it would be much much better with mouse controls while I was playing it. Still bought the sequel though.

    It did get a PC release, though.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    -SPI- wrote: »
    I really liked Viva Pinata, although I kept thinking it would be much much better with mouse controls while I was playing it. Still bought the sequel though.

    It did get a PC release, though.

    And it didn't control better. I have it for both 360 and PC, and it's a much better fit to the 360 pad.

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  • GrimthwackerGrimthwacker Pegasus Knights do it in midairRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    yalborap wrote: »
    MC Mystery wrote: »
    I can't believe no one here liked Viva Pinata. I don't even like sim games, and I loooooved Viva Pinata.

    I bought Nuts n Bolts from a bargain bin recently, haven't tried it out yet, been too addicted to Brutal Legend which I picked up from the same bin.

    Rare hasn't mattered to me in a long long time. Viva Pinata was a super pleasant surprise, and I am optimistic about Nuts and Bolts.

    I think Viva Pinata was decently popular around here at the time.

    Quick, somebody dig up the "awsomesheep" pic from a while back!:P

    VP isn't really my thing, but damn if it wasn't a clever stab at the "sim" type games - raising pinatas for use at parties and creating a whole ecosystem of them with predatory and symbiotic ones is a pleasantly surreal idea.

    Then along came 4Kids and the Marketing Blitz. That kinda skewed my perception of the whole thing.
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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Turkey wrote: »
    urahonky wrote: »
    I was so sad to hear Nintendo sold Rare....... Until they started releasing their games on the Xbox. Then I was like "Ohhh.. Nintendo you sly devils!"

    It sucks that this mindset is still going, even after Nuts & Bolts ended up being a really good game.

    I dig VP and Nuts and Bolts, but yeah, at the time Nintendo absolutely made the right decision from a business standpoint. Rare really was lost in the wilderness for a good five years or so.

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  • TurkeyTurkey Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    I bought Grabbed By The Ghoulies for $5 a few years ago, and I think it would've been pretty successful as a Live Arcade title.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2010
    The reason why Nintendo had no problem selling their 49% share was

    1) Microsoft already owned the majority share at that point
    2) Rare only accounted for <1% of their income over the past year.
    3) 375 million dollars pays for a lot of games and R&D.

  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    The reason why Nintendo had no problem selling their 49% share was

    1) Microsoft already owned the majority share at that point
    2) Rare only accounted for <1% of their income over the past year.
    3) 375 million dollars pays for a lot of games and R&D.

    Not to mention how many key staff had recently left the company.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    The reason why Nintendo had no problem selling their 49% share was

    1) Microsoft already owned the majority share at that point
    2) Rare only accounted for <1% of their income over the past year.
    3) 375 million dollars pays for a lot of games and R&D.

    Not to mention how many key staff had recently left the company.

    Recently? Is there a source on that? I hadn't heard. Then again I'm not omniscient.

    Ah, $375 million. Even if we include the "value added" stuff of the Avatars, they still have a loooooong way to go before they earn that money back. Hell, the debt is probably greater now.

    Just for fun let's go over the games they released in the Microsoft era and guesstimate how they did:

    Grabbed by the Ghoulies. Sold horribly. Lost money.
    Conker Live. Sold weakly, though much of it was re-used design. Hard to tell, maybe broke even.
    DK Country 1-3 on the GBA (reprogrammed by Rare). Did well, though Microsoft likely didn't see much of that money.
    Perfect Dark Zero. Sold pretty well due to being the "it" launch title, but was in development for an eternity. Probably broke even.
    Kameo. In development for an eternity and sold horribly. Money pit.
    Viva Pinata. Became a modest success, but that was due to a Herculean push that include a quick drop to $20, two seasons of an animated series, etc. Broke even at best.
    Jetpac Refueled. No idea on cost or sales. Probably had negligible effects either way.
    Banjo Live re-releases. Easy conversions, sold pretty well. Made some money.
    Banjo Nuts and Bolts. Ludicrously long dev time, two previous versions canned and redone, weak sales. Huge money loser.
    Viva Pinata 2. Sold about as bad as Guitar Hero: Van Halen. Big loss.
    Perfect Dark re-releases. Seem to be doing well, will probably earn some money.

    Not exactly looking good overall.

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  • APZonerunnerAPZonerunner Registered User
    edited June 2010
    Yeah, because the company is so worthless and performed so badly that Microsoft decided they'd punish them by expanding them to a second location and creating around 120 new jobs... Clearly, Rare is doing something right, especially as Microsoft have spent the last two years closing down perfectly solid studios, from FASA to Ensemble.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    The reason why Nintendo had no problem selling their 49% share was

    1) Microsoft already owned the majority share at that point
    2) Rare only accounted for <1% of their income over the past year.
    3) 375 million dollars pays for a lot of games and R&D.

    Not to mention how many key staff had recently left the company.

    Recently? Is there a source on that? I hadn't heard. Then again I'm not omniscient.

    Had. Before Nintendo sold their shares in them years and years ago. Largely beginning towards the end of Perfect Dark's development.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Yeah, because the company is so worthless and performed so badly that Microsoft decided they'd punish them by expanding them to a second location and creating around 120 new jobs... Clearly, Rare is doing something right, especially as Microsoft have spent the last two years closing down perfectly solid studios, from FASA to Ensemble.

    That's because they're pretty much the only first party Microsoft hasn't jettisoned yet besides Lionhead. Probably because Microsoft is determined to get a return off their investment if it kills them. Also they're guessing Rare's skillset will translate well to Natal, which isn't a bad idea.

    Edit: And Tubular, if we're talking about toward the end of PDZ's development, then I had heard that reports of massive staff departures during that time were greatly exaggerated.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, because the company is so worthless and performed so badly that Microsoft decided they'd punish them by expanding them to a second location and creating around 120 new jobs... Clearly, Rare is doing something right, especially as Microsoft have spent the last two years closing down perfectly solid studios, from FASA to Ensemble.

    That's because they're pretty much the only first party Microsoft hasn't jettisoned yet besides Lionhead. Also they're guessing their skillset will translate well to Natal, which isn't a bad idea.

    Edit: And Tubular, if we're talking about toward the end of PDZ's development, then I had heard that reports of massive staff departures during that time were greatly exaggerated.

    No, it was more towards the end of the original PD's development. At least from what I've heard, that's when a bunch of staff left to go form Free Radical, and some company that I don't think ever actually released anything.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Zhu-Li, do the thing! Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, because the company is so worthless and performed so badly that Microsoft decided they'd punish them by expanding them to a second location and creating around 120 new jobs... Clearly, Rare is doing something right, especially as Microsoft have spent the last two years closing down perfectly solid studios, from FASA to Ensemble.

    That's because they're pretty much the only first party Microsoft hasn't jettisoned yet besides Lionhead. Also they're guessing their skillset will translate well to Natal, which isn't a bad idea.

    Edit: And Tubular, if we're talking about toward the end of PDZ's development, then I had heard that reports of massive staff departures during that time were greatly exaggerated.

    No, it was more towards the end of the original PD's development. At least from what I've heard, that's when a bunch of staff left to go form Free Radical, and some company that I don't think ever actually released anything.

    Right, I remember that. Those departures were a decent chunk but weren't anywhere close to being a majority of the staff, or even half.

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  • ImpersonatorImpersonator Registered User
    edited June 2010
    Ohtsam wrote: »
    Did anyone else follow all the incredible amount of work hackers went through to find the "Secret" to stop n' swap. That shit was insane but turned up some interesting stuff.
    For those who are unaware there are secret items in BK related to something called stop n swap. If you got all 100 jiggies you'd get a secret video where mumbo would show off 2 colored eggs and a key made of ice in various locations in the game that you couldn't reach. He said that things you'd do in the sequel would allow you to access those areas and those items. However in Banjo-Tooie you just ending up finding them hidden in various places.

    The original plan involved the original technical specs of the N64. When the N64 was released the ram in the system would retain its memory for 10-15 seconds. Rares idea was you'd shut off the system after selecting a specific option and then switch the two games and that hooks in the data in the memory would be able to alter the cartridge's save files and allow whatever changes they had for stop and swap to work.
    However this plan fell through due to Nintendo changing the type of memory used in the N64 as well as worries of what the data in memory might due to other games. The fact that it was canceled after BKs release led to an interesting contrast in how the data on the cartridge's is arranged. With Banjo Kazooie everything is increibly ordered and placed in a logical way which also allowed all those hackers to do their work. HOWEVER in Banjo Tooie they obfuscated all the data when it came time to release since no other software would need to go in and read the cartridge besides the console.

    Now some more interesting stuff behind this

    DK64 was released between BK and BT and I believe overlapped with the first in development. Hackers discovered that in the games rom there is a data flag labeled Ice Key that until the game reaches the main menu for the first time is set to 0. Afterwards it gets flipped to one. There is no other referance to it in the code and when forced into the menu shows up as a DK coin. There was also an empty room in the crystal caverns that was sealed off with a transparent wall that looks different from everything else in the level.
    Speculation is that while they probably didn't intend to implement Stop and Swap in DK64 they used it to actually test it before full development of Banjo Tooie went underway.

    And finally in Banjo-Tooie there is a dummied out multiplayer mode called Bottle's Revenge which involved an evil demon bottles (who face portrait is still used in the end of game quiz) being controlled by player 2 and you could possess the enemy clsoest to banjo and control it. The original plan was to include bosses as well but when the feature got cut they'd only implemented the Boss control for the King Coal boss fight. If you use gameshark codes its still there fully playable and relatively bug free though the camera ignores the enemy being controlled, but none of the boss fight s are available and bottles just says a snarky comment as you enter a boss room. Its still intact on the XBLA version so if you can edit the game you can still play that mode.

    Tl:dr DK64 was used to test the original Stop and swap. There was a dummied out mode for multiplayer in BT.

    Very interesting stuff, I love reading about these things. :)

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2010
    Yeah, because the company is so worthless and performed so badly that Microsoft decided they'd punish them by expanding them to a second location and creating around 120 new jobs... Clearly, Rare is doing something right, especially as Microsoft have spent the last two years closing down perfectly solid studios, from FASA to Ensemble.

    No, this is pretty much due MS reusing Rare's offices as their "Microsoft UK" development house. Rare is just a brand name now, they don't even own their own IPs anymore - Microsoft actually transferred all of them to be under their own name. This is not really a bad thing mind, but they sure didn't get expanded due to runaway success.

    Also it's been quoted in numerous interviews that Ensemble actually closed themselves. They were tired of only being greenlit for RTSes.

  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited June 2010
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Yeah, because the company is so worthless and performed so badly that Microsoft decided they'd punish them by expanding them to a second location and creating around 120 new jobs... Clearly, Rare is doing something right, especially as Microsoft have spent the last two years closing down perfectly solid studios, from FASA to Ensemble.

    That's because they're pretty much the only first party Microsoft hasn't jettisoned yet besides Lionhead. Also they're guessing their skillset will translate well to Natal, which isn't a bad idea.

    Edit: And Tubular, if we're talking about toward the end of PDZ's development, then I had heard that reports of massive staff departures during that time were greatly exaggerated.

    No, it was more towards the end of the original PD's development. At least from what I've heard, that's when a bunch of staff left to go form Free Radical, and some company that I don't think ever actually released anything.

    Right, I remember that. Those departures were a decent chunk but weren't anywhere close to being a majority of the staff, or even half.

    It's true that is wasn't necessarily a large number of their staff, but the ones who did leave were easily some of their best people.

  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited June 2010
    Regarding Viva Pinata, I have it on my "to do" list.

    Related:

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