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Bush Administration Conducted "Experiments" On Detainees
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No, you're a terrible human being and, additionally, shut the motherfuck up
Every time the US tortures, US servicemen suffer
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Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
Oh also I've mentioned this like, a million times before but people in the military are sworn to uphold and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic
There's an amendment in the consitution that states you're not supposed to torture. I'm not sure if you're aware of this MM, you sound like a pretty terrible lawyer so it wouldn't surprise me (protip: it's the eighth one)
So technically, soldiers die because...we're breaking constitutional law, which servicemembers defend. That's kind of ironic no?
Secondly wouldn't supporting torture make you an enemy of the constitution? Hmm, perhaps the army should be defending against people like you?
I mean we know you're okay with torture so I think the government should round you up and conduct enhanced interrogations on you and your friends to find out who's trying to attack the constitution
Is there even a grain of truth to that
I think only Ford did that for Nixon
I know Obama didn't do it because his AG said how he was going to look into the crimes the previous administration committed to make sure it was on the up-and-up
Cool, thanks, I knew it sounded kind of fishy
Still, if he wasn't going to do anything except show everybody how insane the Bush administration was, he might as well have pardoned him
With all the stuff that goes on there is something you could jail or hang every president for. If you'd like to start doing this, that's fine. But it will lead to bad places.
But that's why it will also never happen.
Almost sounds like we've been fighting the wrong enemies on the wrong shores. Perhaps we should bring the troops home so they can handle the people who've been acting against their sworn protectorate in a more direct fashion.
I'm sure they could be quite creative themselves, within the boundries of said document.
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Nah. If some people want an amendment to redact the 8th then let them try. It's well within their right to propose action against it.
Of course, it's illegal until that amendment is passed.
Let 'em eat fucking pineapples!
If we had a system in place that could actually effectively deter people with power from being monsters we'd live in a completely different world.
Sadly, arresting your predecessor is not necessarily it.
It might be, but speaking as someone who came from a country where almost exactly this happened--insomuch as a former-President was arrested and jailed when his term expired for crimes he had committed as President--it's not as awesome as it sounds.
Granted, that was for embezzling, not torture. I think we could all generally agree which one is worse (hint, the one that involves having people standing on chairs, dogs, and occasionally killing them in captivity). But it can promise a rather dangerous precedent that overwhelms the actual principle behind it.
That being said, I don't think political hatred in America runs quite that high yet, and I do agree, someone should answer for something eventually.
It's not even political hatred to worry about, yet. The sad truth is that every president we've had has done something illegal, at least worthy of life in prison if not the death penalty outright. That's just part of the job. Currently we haven't opened the Pandora's box of trying people for their crimes when the leave office because that will lead to political hatred. Go ahead, string up Bush for his crimes and make him pay the price. Check back with me when they execute our current president for his and see how much you like it.
This is one of those cans of worms I don't feel we want to open. Because it will very rapidly turn into "get elected president and you're sure to land up in jail 4-8 years later".
Fear is good too, I guess. As much cruel, twisted satisfaction I personally derive from knowing that Chen got a life sentence for criminal behavior (though giving the ruling of other courts, whether or not he remains in jail is a completely different matter), it is pretty embarrassing too and really does open the potential for a lot of political hatred.
The word "experimentally" in this description is entirely unnecessary and was added to make the article more seem more sensational.
Basically it looks like the doctors noticed some prisoners were suffering from symptoms of water poisoning after, you know, being tortured with vast amounts of water, and suggested something that would help prevent that. It's following basic medical knowledge and in no way should be called "medical experimentation" by the commonly accepted meaning of the word.
The fact that the CIA had doctors present to try and prevent prisoners from dying makes it slightly better than otherwise. Well, slightly better in the sense that a pile of shit with slightly fewer flys swarming around it is better than a pile of shit with slightly more flys swarming around it.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the interrogates brought the doctors in solely for the safety of the detained. I believe that they used the information from the physicians' observations to determine just how far they could go before permanent physical damage.
Considering that they're already torturing people, this doesn't make it much worse for me. However, they shouldn't be able to use the doctor's presence as some type of cloak to protect them from punishment for what they have done.
Edit: Pretty much what lazegamer said except with more rage
If you're going to torture, fine... torture. Torture everyone. Making a differentiation between countrymen and non-countrymen is stupid if you really think that the situation warrants that extreme. Stepping back and saying "but not our own people, because they're our people" betrays that you're not doing it for the common good and that you're just being a nasty bully bastard to people you think can't fight back in court.
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