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  • DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Metallikat wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Also, if you have the prestige you can claim a duke's title (usually 4-600), then you only need to take over the duke's county and when you install yourself as duke his vassals automaticly become yours. Its much faster then taking over single counties.

    Yeah, but doing so can still hurt your reputation, which can negatively impact your Vassals loyalty. When you get around to being a King, it's just easier usually to conquer the Duke, vassalize him and give him his claim back. Especially if he has good stats, I see no reason to oust him really.

    I'm systematicly installing blood relatives into positions of power. I've united Ireland and all but one duke is a blood cousin. I'm going to marry my daughter off to the last ones son so that will make Ireland a family business.

    Edit: Family members are easier to keep loyal and their vassals don't lose loyalty when you revoke a title. So in Ireland right now I only have 4 dukes I need to keep happy.

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  • MetallikatMetallikat Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Metallikat wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Also, if you have the prestige you can claim a duke's title (usually 4-600), then you only need to take over the duke's county and when you install yourself as duke his vassals automaticly become yours. Its much faster then taking over single counties.

    Yeah, but doing so can still hurt your reputation, which can negatively impact your Vassals loyalty. When you get around to being a King, it's just easier usually to conquer the Duke, vassalize him and give him his claim back. Especially if he has good stats, I see no reason to oust him really.

    I'm systematicly installing blood relatives into positions of power. I've united Ireland and all but one duke is a blood cousin. I'm going to marry my daughter off to the last ones son so that will make Ireland a family business.

    Eh, I usually give my children some far away county to rule over. Next game I play I might try that though, keeping it all in the family, as it were.

    EDIT: In the event of low loyalty, I have around 20,000 troops ready to spread joy and cheer into any rebelling counties.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Another thing I would like is the ability to, as King, make your Count vassals become vassals of your Dukes.

    This happens if you grant the title of Duke to someone, those in the dukeship automaticly become his vassals if they are currently yours.

    If you already have a duke installed in an area and you take over a county after, the only way to do it is to revoke the counts title and grant it to your duke but this reduces loyalty of all your other vassals by 25.

    What I mean is say all of the counties in a duchy are my vassals, then I create the Duke title and give it to one of those Counts, I'd like to tell the other counties to switch to being the duke's vassals. Right now I've got like 50 vassals but I'd like to pyramid it up a bit.

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  • DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Another thing I would like is the ability to, as King, make your Count vassals become vassals of your Dukes.

    This happens if you grant the title of Duke to someone, those in the dukeship automaticly become his vassals if they are currently yours.

    If you already have a duke installed in an area and you take over a county after, the only way to do it is to revoke the counts title and grant it to your duke but this reduces loyalty of all your other vassals by 25.

    What I mean is say all of the counties in a duchy are my vassals, then I create the Duke title and give it to one of those Counts, I'd like to tell the other counties to switch to being the duke's vassals. Right now I've got like 50 vassals but I'd like to pyramid it up a bit.

    They will, if you do it properly. Say, in Ireland (where I'm playing) there are regions, Ulster, Munster, Leinster etc. If you have the 3 counties in Ulster as your vassals and you create the title Duke of Ulster, when you reward that title to one of your Counts in Ulster the other counts will automaticly be his vassals, but only in Ulster.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Another thing I would like is the ability to, as King, make your Count vassals become vassals of your Dukes.

    This happens if you grant the title of Duke to someone, those in the dukeship automaticly become his vassals if they are currently yours.

    If you already have a duke installed in an area and you take over a county after, the only way to do it is to revoke the counts title and grant it to your duke but this reduces loyalty of all your other vassals by 25.

    What I mean is say all of the counties in a duchy are my vassals, then I create the Duke title and give it to one of those Counts, I'd like to tell the other counties to switch to being the duke's vassals. Right now I've got like 50 vassals but I'd like to pyramid it up a bit.

    They will, if you do it properly. Say, in Ireland (where I'm playing) there are regions, Ulster, Munster, Leinster etc. If you have the 3 counties in Ulster as your vassals and you create the title Duke of Ulster, when you reward that title to one of your Counts in Ulster the other counts will automaticly be his vassals, but only in Ulster.

    I'm pretty sure that's not happening in my game, but I'll double check.

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  • DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Another thing I would like is the ability to, as King, make your Count vassals become vassals of your Dukes.

    This happens if you grant the title of Duke to someone, those in the dukeship automaticly become his vassals if they are currently yours.

    If you already have a duke installed in an area and you take over a county after, the only way to do it is to revoke the counts title and grant it to your duke but this reduces loyalty of all your other vassals by 25.

    What I mean is say all of the counties in a duchy are my vassals, then I create the Duke title and give it to one of those Counts, I'd like to tell the other counties to switch to being the duke's vassals. Right now I've got like 50 vassals but I'd like to pyramid it up a bit.

    They will, if you do it properly. Say, in Ireland (where I'm playing) there are regions, Ulster, Munster, Leinster etc. If you have the 3 counties in Ulster as your vassals and you create the title Duke of Ulster, when you reward that title to one of your Counts in Ulster the other counts will automaticly be his vassals, but only in Ulster.

    I'm pretty sure that's not happening in my game, but I'll double check.

    Thats odd, but I'm by no means a veteran player. But in this game I claimed the title of Duke of Münster, took over the duke's county and installed myself as duke. Voila, all his vassals are now mine and when I gave him back the title of Duke he was my vassal and the other counts in Münster were his.

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  • MetallikatMetallikat Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Another thing I would like is the ability to, as King, make your Count vassals become vassals of your Dukes.

    This happens if you grant the title of Duke to someone, those in the dukeship automaticly become his vassals if they are currently yours.

    If you already have a duke installed in an area and you take over a county after, the only way to do it is to revoke the counts title and grant it to your duke but this reduces loyalty of all your other vassals by 25.

    What I mean is say all of the counties in a duchy are my vassals, then I create the Duke title and give it to one of those Counts, I'd like to tell the other counties to switch to being the duke's vassals. Right now I've got like 50 vassals but I'd like to pyramid it up a bit.

    They will, if you do it properly. Say, in Ireland (where I'm playing) there are regions, Ulster, Munster, Leinster etc. If you have the 3 counties in Ulster as your vassals and you create the title Duke of Ulster, when you reward that title to one of your Counts in Ulster the other counts will automaticly be his vassals, but only in Ulster.

    I'm pretty sure that's not happening in my game, but I'll double check.

    Thats odd, but I'm by no means a veteran player. But in this game I claimed the title of Duke of Münster, took over the duke's county and installed myself as duke. Voila, all his vassals are now mine and when I gave him back the title of Duke he was my vassal and the other counts in Münster were his.

    Yeah, if that's not happening it's definitely bugged. The Counts in the territory of the duchy should always go to whoever holds the title of Duke for those regions.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Another thing I would like is the ability to, as King, make your Count vassals become vassals of your Dukes.

    This happens if you grant the title of Duke to someone, those in the dukeship automaticly become his vassals if they are currently yours.

    If you already have a duke installed in an area and you take over a county after, the only way to do it is to revoke the counts title and grant it to your duke but this reduces loyalty of all your other vassals by 25.

    What I mean is say all of the counties in a duchy are my vassals, then I create the Duke title and give it to one of those Counts, I'd like to tell the other counties to switch to being the duke's vassals. Right now I've got like 50 vassals but I'd like to pyramid it up a bit.

    They will, if you do it properly. Say, in Ireland (where I'm playing) there are regions, Ulster, Munster, Leinster etc. If you have the 3 counties in Ulster as your vassals and you create the title Duke of Ulster, when you reward that title to one of your Counts in Ulster the other counts will automaticly be his vassals, but only in Ulster.

    I'm pretty sure that's not happening in my game, but I'll double check.

    Thats odd, but I'm by no means a veteran player. But in this game I claimed the title of Duke of Münster, took over the duke's county and installed myself as duke. Voila, all his vassals are now mine and when I gave him back the title of Duke he was my vassal and the other counts in Münster were his.

    No, it does that, if they were already his vassals. But if, say, the counts of York, Lincoln, and Leicester (all duchy of York) are my vassals (because I took them over individually) and I make the count of York the Duke of York, I still have all 3 as my vassals. I want to be able to say, "Okay Lincoln and Leicester, you are now vassals of the Duke of York instead of my personal vassals."

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  • MetallikatMetallikat Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Another thing I would like is the ability to, as King, make your Count vassals become vassals of your Dukes.

    This happens if you grant the title of Duke to someone, those in the dukeship automaticly become his vassals if they are currently yours.

    If you already have a duke installed in an area and you take over a county after, the only way to do it is to revoke the counts title and grant it to your duke but this reduces loyalty of all your other vassals by 25.

    What I mean is say all of the counties in a duchy are my vassals, then I create the Duke title and give it to one of those Counts, I'd like to tell the other counties to switch to being the duke's vassals. Right now I've got like 50 vassals but I'd like to pyramid it up a bit.

    They will, if you do it properly. Say, in Ireland (where I'm playing) there are regions, Ulster, Munster, Leinster etc. If you have the 3 counties in Ulster as your vassals and you create the title Duke of Ulster, when you reward that title to one of your Counts in Ulster the other counts will automaticly be his vassals, but only in Ulster.

    I'm pretty sure that's not happening in my game, but I'll double check.

    Thats odd, but I'm by no means a veteran player. But in this game I claimed the title of Duke of Münster, took over the duke's county and installed myself as duke. Voila, all his vassals are now mine and when I gave him back the title of Duke he was my vassal and the other counts in Münster were his.

    No, it does that, if they were already his vassals. But if, say, the counts of York, Lincoln, and Leicester (all duchy of York) are my vassals (because I took them over individually) and I make the count of York the Duke of York, I still have all 3 as my vassals. I want to be able to say, "Okay Lincoln and Leicester, you are now vassals of the Duke of York instead of my personal vassals."

    They should be, though. I've had that situation before personally, individual Counts who's loyalty lie directly with me, becoming the vassals of the new Duke installed in that region. If it's not, something might be borked?

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  • DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Could it be one of your laws? I'm using Feudal Contract.

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  • MetallikatMetallikat Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Could it be one of your laws? I'm using Feudal Contract.

    Hrmm.. if it helps him any, I always use Feudal Contract as well.

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Okay, so I just picked this up and can't really do anything because I don't know how. There is no tutorial.

    I watched a Youtube video but the guy rambled a lot, did not go into depth, pronounced things wrong and more.

    Anyone know any good tutorials for this?

    Is it easier to start as a king? What do I actually do when I start? I can't build anything I don't have any money. I can appoint some dudes, but then I just don't know how to assimilate the information given to me.
    Do I just sit around and wait for things to happen?

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  • MetallikatMetallikat Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Okay, so I just picked this up and can't really do anything because I don't know how. There is no tutorial.

    I watched a Youtube video but the guy rambled a lot, did not go into depth, pronounced things wrong and more.

    Anyone know any good tutorials for this?

    Is it easier to start as a king? What do I actually do when I start? I can't build anything I don't have any money. I can appoint some dudes, but then I just don't know how to assimilate the information given to me.
    Do I just sit around and wait for things to happen?

    King's are probably easier to play, I usually start as a Duke though. Try the threads available here for further help, maybe? I don't remember how I got into the game really, it's been years since I first started playing. I think I just kinda fell head first into it and plowed through until I got things hammered into my brain. The forum's can be a wealth of information if you can dig through them.

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Alright thanks, I read through the thread a little more thoroughly as well, now having the game. That's helped. I'll get through it I think. Starting as a count is easier in terms of what you have to deal with.

    But you can't really do anything at first.

    I guess it's a trade off.

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  • MetallikatMetallikat Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Alright thanks, I read through the thread a little more thoroughly as well, now having the game. That's helped. I'll get through it I think. Starting as a count is easier in terms of what you have to deal with.

    But you can't really do anything at first.

    I guess it's a trade off.

    Yeah, you kinda have to wait for kids to mature to utilize them properly, have to wait for prestige to build up to grab claim's etc. It can take a little while to get rolling, but it's fun once it does. I'm kinda hoping Crusader Kings 2 will come up with some things to occupy yourself with during those stretches of waiting.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Metallikat wrote: »
    Demiurge wrote: »
    Could it be one of your laws? I'm using Feudal Contract.

    Hrmm.. if it helps him any, I always use Feudal Contract as well.

    That's what I'm using as well. I have several dukes with no vassals, though. Huh.

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  • President RexPresident Rex Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Basic information on game stuff and rudimentary tutorial!
    Not having a liege will help you avoid bankruptcy as he forces you to mobilize. But having vassals help you get accustomed to some of the game mechanics. This is one of the reasons Apulia is a good starter. You start as a duke with no liege. You're also fairly isolated from immediate threats.

    Upon starting the game you'll be faced with something like this:
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    From the top left going right:
    -Clicking on the coat of arms (aka a "crest") for the province owner will take you to that faction's diplomacy page.

    -Clicking on your Leader's Portrait will take you to their status page where you can see their Martial, Diplomacy, Intrigue and Stewardship ratings, as well as any other bonuses, loyalty (not so important if you're the highest ranked noble in your realm), and their relationships with other characters.

    -Stability was introduced in the Deus Vult (DV) expansion (want to know why everyone's saying "God wills it!" in Kingdom of Heavan? It's the English equivalent of the Latin "deus vult"). It's a general indicator of how well-run and stable your kingdom is. Negative is bad, positive is good. You cannot directly influence this like you can in EU. It has an effect on the events you receive.

    -Gold lets you build things, pay for certain diplomatic missions and does a bit of other stuff. You get it primarily from your provinces and taxes. You can also get it through events and pillaging.

    -Prestige is an idication of your popularity, power and fame. Win a tournament: it goes up. Too cowardly to hunt a boar in the woods: it goes down. While the major increases you see will probably be event-driven, you tend to get a lot from your province improvements, marriages, wars. It helps you diplomatically. It'll help you claim and grab titles, and get and keep vassals. It also influences events.

    -Piety shows how religiously famous you are. While prestige is a measure of your fame in the temporal realm (i.e. in the world of secular states and kingdoms), piety is its equivalent in the spiritual realm. It helps lower your reputation (more about that in a second), helps you avoid excommunication and a few other things.

    -the Date lets you go out with sexy, sexy 70-year-old Queen Victoria if you watch it until the 1800s. Control and + or - increase or decrease the game speed.

    -Quick Alerts were introduced in DV. They let you know when you've got an open court spot, when your demesne is too large for your ruler's abilities, when you've got someone available for marriage (that one's a bit buggy), and when a vassal has low loyalty (maybe another I'm forgetting).

    -Clicking on Your Coat of Arms lets you access your own diplomacy screen. You'll get a quick overview of your vassals, claims and demesne stats. There you can also change your laws (including your inheritance laws), your research goals, your court ('ministers' if you want), your budget and some other actions.

    It's pretty important, so here it is:
    cktut3.jpg

    If you're really lazy you can click on Your Glorious Leader's portrait here, instead of 3cm to the right to get to their character sheet.

    -Your Vassals are any counts or dukes under your tutelage. Duke's have a squared shield (kings have a squared shield with a crown at the bottom). Counts have a tapered shield. The vassals of your vassals aren't listed here - you'll need to use the ledger for that (...if you have DV - if you don't you get to surf the map looking).

    -Income is your demesne's monthly income. To adjust this based on taxes go to your treasury/budget screen.

    -Manpower is the total number of soldier's you can muster (including your vassal's armies).

    -Demesne is the number of provinces you hold as your ruler's own land.

    -Efficiency relates to your leader's intrigue and your demesne size. If you have a larger demesne than your ruler's intrigue allows your efficiency will suffer (each century will also let you hold more provinces). To ameliorate this: go lose a war or give some land to a vassal. Low efficiency can cause lots of negative events (including the Stressed trait for your ruler that lowers his/her attributes, the Realm Duress trait for your ruler that lower your income and may cause vassals to break away, the development of robber bands and smugglers and other things). I don't advise staying below 80% for long.

    -"We have an honorable Reputation" is one of many stages for your reptutation. Reputation is your badboy score. A worse reputation and your vassals will lose loyalty and you may get more declarations of war from other rulers. You can get a clear picture of what the actual number is by looking at a vassal's loyalty rating. It will have a negative number based on your reputation - divide that by 0.4 and you've got your number (i.e 1.2 would be 3 badboy).

    You'll accrue a negative reputation by grabbing titles, starting wars and increasing your demesne. Piety, time, relinquishing claims in peace settlements, and creating vassals (and occasionally events) help decrease it. When your ruler dies the successor will inherit 1/3 of his/her predecessor's reputation.

    -Claims let you see what land you can potentially grab. To declare war on Christians you need to have a claim on the ruler's title. You can declare war on Muslims at any time - once you siege and 'liberate' their province you'll get a claim on it (which you can then try to get in a peace settlement).

    Grabbing claims (or usurping titles - in some cases) can be done through the diplomacy screen. Remember that it worsens your reputation.

    -Clicking the sword and shield lets you perform different Actions like granting titles (such as to your progeny or wife or courtiers), offering marriages (within your own court - to offer marriages to other rulers you need to go through their diplomatic screen), creating titles once you have the requisite lands (such as letting you become a king), sending assassins (to off pesky useless sons, perhaps?), and mobilizing forces (you can also do this individually for each of your provinces instead of all your lands).

    -Clicking the group of Court members lets you access your court. These are people that supplement your ruler's own abilities (such as Martial or Intrigue). Click on one of the five portraits to pick a new courtier/bishop. If you have Deus Vult each of them will be labelled with the relevant skills in a list. Make sure to check their loyalty (click on their portrait to bring up their character sheet). Poor loyalties here can lead to bad events in the future.

    -Clicking on the treasure chest accesses the Treasury. There you can adjust taxes and tariffs to influence your income and various loyalties.

    -Clicking on the trebuchet/engineer will let you access the Technology screen. There you can view which techs your lands have. The pipes (that is the "|" character) next to a technology indicates the level present in your capital (other provinces may have a higher level). You can click on any of the techs to have the map show each province's tech level.

    You can't directly influence when things will get researched. Generally the higher level techs take longer. Techs will spread between provinces based on proximity (with some 'trade routes' that help them spread overseas and across longer distances - check the map here (same for culture spread)). Libraries, roads, harbors and universities increase the general spread of all technologies. Other province improvements increase some other tech spreads.

    -Clicking the orb and sceptre let you access the Laws screen. There you can change your inheritance laws (read carefully to make sure you know how they'll affect your inheritance). Keep in mind that changing your inheritance laws may lead to disloyalties. Anyone who's cheated out of an inheritance will get claims on the titles they've been denied. When you create vassals they do not inherit your laws.

    You can also change your 'governmental' laws (pretty much on a scale of 'absolute monarchy' to 'nearly a republic'). Feudal Contract will probably be your initial setting.

    Your laws regarding secular/spiritual authority are also here. You'll probably want Ecclesiastical Balance at first (to help avoid paying too much money to the church), but there'll be events forcing you to choose between excommunication and switching to Church Supremacy).


    Otherwise there's the map. The Relational map is probably the most useful. Allies are blue, enemies are red, claims are yellow and your realm is various shades of green.

    cktut2.jpg


    Character status sheets are pretty self explanatory. You can usually mouse over things for further information. Here we have Robert the Wise's character sheet.

    cktut4.jpg

    The portraits of kings will have a red box outline. Dukes have a golden outline with blue bands. Counts have a golden outline. Normal people have a black line.

    You can click on any of the portraits here to access that person's character sheet. DV introduced an incredibly handy feature of putting a little blood droplet on anyone from your dynasty (otherwise you need to check their last name). Make sure your successor is a blood relative of your ruler, otherwise you'll see a game over screen when your ruler dies.

    -The top of the sheet will list the individual's Gold, Prestige, and Piety. This is how you can check how much money a rival (or ally) has available. AI players have secret Midas courtiers - they cannot get negatvie gold (but they can have negative prestige and piety).

    -A list of icons will indicate what Traits the character has. There are quite a few of them. DV adds more. One will always be indicative of the education the character has or is receving. Important ones to look out for are Lustful (good for makin' babies), Celibate (bad for makin' babies) and Prodigy (bonuses all around!). Stressed, Depressed, Illness, Consumption, Schizophrenic, and Severely Wounded are all around bad. Realm Duress is bad for rulers and implies bad things will happen. Look out for Rebellious on vassals...tends to make their loyalty sink.

    Traits come and go based on events. There are some that don't come through event. Bastard means the character was born out of wedlock (and he may be a dick). They tend to not be able to inherit (barring event's removing the trait). Fosterling means the character has been sent to another noble to be raised (you can send them through the diplomatic menu and you'll occasionally receive offers of receiving one). It was quite common in real life as a sign of good faith between nobles ("Here, have my 5th son who stands almost no chance to inherit - I swear I won't attack you since you're taking care of him and could behead him whenever you want.")

    -Martial primarily impacts combat ability when the character is leading an army. Also affects the size of armies you can muster from your lands (which is otherwise based on province prosperity).

    -Diplomacy affects peace settlements and helps keep vassals loyal.

    -Intrigue lets you keep a larger demesne. It'll also help you assassinate others while avoiding being assassinated.

    -Stewardship keeps your coffers full.

    - Your character's Culture and Religion will be displayed here. Robert de Hauteville descended from Norman mercenaries who had conquered Southern Italy, so he's not actually Italian. In order for your culture to spread you need to have a province with your ruler's culture. This means as the Duchy of Apulia you'll want to grab some Italian wives for your sons to help make them more Italian (alternatively Greek). Religion also spreads through a variety of events. Provinces are easier to control if they have your culture and religion.

    -The character's Name and Age will be listed in the red bar. Children become available for marriages at 16 (...even though their are plenty of incidences of child wives and such). You can grant children titles but in DVIP their abilities progress as they age and a 3 year old is a terrible ruler. You'll gain some benefits from marrying your eldest daughter. Leaving sons without land will negatively affect your prestige (particularly your eldest son - bastards have less of an efffect).

    Nobles tended to have the best diets and the best healthcare, so your ruler will likely live to at least 50 (unless he/she has negative traits).

    -Loyalty is also listed here. Make sure it stays at least above 50 if they're one of your immediate vassals (by lowering taxes, giving them more land, adjusting your laws, giving them money or sending fosterlings). Remember that if you revoke a vassal's title it will lower the loyalty of all your vassals.

    -If you're the highest noble in your realm you won't have a Liege. Otherwise you can get to their character sheet here.

    -All of your immediate Vassals will be listed here as well. If you have a duke as a vassal and that duke has some counts as vassals you won't see them here.

    -Allies don't do much, but can be useful for a casus belli or (very occasional) back-up. The number of allies you can have is a function of your diplomacy ability and the realm sizes of the two ruler's lands.

    -Parents are parents. If you have DVIP some of them go back well before 1066.

    -Next up is your Spouse. Robert Guiscard is a bit of a rare example in the middle ages: he managed to get a divorce, so in DVIP he has two living wives listed. Dead wives stay in here so you can keep track. Wives adopt the name of their husbands (so having your wed daughter as your sole heir will generally not end well...unless you intend to end the game).

    -Your Children will be listed in their succession order from left to right (generally from eldest to youngest with sons on the left, daughters on the right). It will list this character's children - regardless of wife. So if you want to know your ruler's bastards you won't see them on his wife's page.

    -Friends convey loyalty and diplomatic bonuses. You tend to get them through events.

    -The character's Siblings are listed as well, which might help you locate them in your court or abroad.

    -Successors are arguably the most important component of the character sheet. If someone not of your bloodline is the next successor you'll want to plot an assassination or change your inheritance laws immediately. If someone outside your dynasty is next to inherit you lose the game. It's not enough that they have the blood droplet - they need to have your last name too (which makes it difficult for daughters to inherit).

    If your successor is not in your demesne (e.g. they're your vassal or in another realm) they will use the inheritance laws of their home. This is mostly only important for DVIP in that if your successor is female and leading another realm without female inheritance you will lose the game because technically the lands will go to a male heir instead.

    -Rivals like to make life difficult for you. If they're your vassals expect some trouble keeping them loyal. They may start wars with you, attempt to assassinate members of your court and just be huge dicks in general.

    -Court Members lets you see anyone eligible to fill a spot in your court. These can be people you've gained from conquering territory, your wife, your sons wives (if you don't give them land) and people from events.

    -The character sheet also shows you the Title Claims a character has. This is where you can easily see what other leaders have as claims (if you don't want to use the map) or what individual courtiers have claims on.

    Religion plays a fairly large role in the game. Two of the most important aspects are the Papacy and provincial religion.

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    Historically the Papacy did three important things: fight with the Holy Roman Emperor, excommunicate people (...often the Holy Roman Emperor), and declare crusades. You can fight and steal land from the papacy, but it'll likely end up with some excommunicating or piety drops.

    Much of the Papal power falls to the Papal Controller in CK. In the 1066 scenario the Duchess of Spoleto is the first Papal Controller. You'll get an announcement of when this changes; it's indicated by the cross on the controller's portrait. The controller gets to declare or revoke excommunications (as a function of the target's piety and the pope's prestige). Here Apulia is a nice case as well, as you'll often get excommunicated if you become a neighbor of Spoleto (while the ruler's still the Papal Controller and your piety is low).

    -Excommunication has some unfortunate impacts. The person will be unable to inherit lands. Other Catholic lands will be able to claim your titles without the stringent repuation cost (alternatively you'll be able to claim the titles of whoever's excommunicated).

    -Emperorship pops up in an event. It has a chance to fire once you have the requsite combination of king's titles (generally anything involving Germany requires 3). You'll definately get it if you control 5 king's titles. It'll net you a nice monthly prestige bonus.

    -Crusades will occasionally be called to Outremer (it's French, so oo-tre-mare and not out-reamer). Generally all the lands of Catholic Christianity will be tasked with conquering some historical crusade goal (Alexandria, Jerusalem and Alexandretta tend to top the list of first goals). You generally won't suffer for not crusading unless your leader is Zealous or otherwise very religious. Once the land is captured an event will (eventually) fire recognizing the crusade's success.

    Crusading carries a few benefits: it'll net you some nice land overseas (Alexandria is one of the top 10 richest provinces, afterall) where you can convert some heathens (never mind that much of the population was still Christian in 1066). You'll get some piety bonuses (which can lead to your ruler eventually becoming a saint) and you'll occasionally have help from other Christian lands. There are also some events associated with crusading. It tends to be expensive, however. You'll likely go by boat, which involves hiring lots of ships.


    Provincial religion can be changed by conversion events and by revolt crushing events. You can check them individually or use the religion map mode (white is Catholic, brown is Orthodox and you'll want to convert everything else).


    Since combat is one of the major aspects of expanding your domain:

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    As mentioned, the troops available in a province can be mobilized by clicking the soldier in the bottom left of the province window. You'll want to do this when the bar is mostly full (unless the armies you can raise there are huge). You'll probably want to double check that the army is actually sizable.

    -Army Troop Composition depends on the power levels of your province. Nobles make knights, which tend to be the most combat effective unit type. Peasants tend to make light infantry and archers. Burghers favor spearmen and heavier infantry. None of the rulers you can play as can mobilize horse archers (although you may get them as mercenaries).

    -You can Pillage occupied lands for the immediate gains listed in the province details under Plunder. Pillaging Gains tend to be immediate amounts of money (and often a little piety loss). You can do it if you're hard up for cash, but it will wreck the province's future income for a while (up to a few years) and may destroy province improvements.

    -Province Modifiers alter the number of troops you can raise. The more prosperous the province, the more troops it can support. Thus, richer provinces (like Alexandria here) can support massive armies. Revolts and looted provinces tend to support very few troops. Rich or Prosperous territories can usually support larger armies. Disease tends to halve the number of troops available.

    Remember that once a negative modifier is removed you'll need to wait a little while until the troops are recruited (the green bar fills). Training Fields will help speed this up. Anything that increases the number of supportable troops will also let you field a larger force.

    -Keep an eye on the Supply Limit. If you field more troops than this in the province they will suffer very high attrition losses.

    -Speaking of Attrition, you'll suffer it campaigning in enemy lands, (especially) traversing neutral lands and moving by sea. Make sure you'll actually have an army when you get to where you're going. Unlike later periods like the Renaissance (EU) or Industrial ages (Victoria), moving over land was easier during this period. Seamanship wasn't well developed and sailors were very much at the mercy of the wind (so water-based transit often takes just as long if not longer than land-based transit). The compass was eventually discovered during this period.

    -You can also mobilize your vassals' armies (and your liege can ask to mobilize yours). Scutage plays a large part in the money you earn and the number of troops you'll get from mobilizing your vassals. Technically scutage didn't exist in 1066, but you get to invent it earlier.

    Scutage allowed a noble to opt out of military service by paying his liege (so mercenaries would stand in for the noble). This let the noble reign over his lands while his liege went to war, and would let the liege field the army he needed. Eventually kings (particularly English kings) began to demand scutage over having nobles show up in person (sparking all sorts of tension and leading to all sorts of taxes we have today - hooray scutage!).

    If you increase the scutage 'tax' you'll get more money (to potentially field armies from within your own demesne), but if you mobilize your vassals' armies they will be smaller. Scutage also impacts vassal loyalty (low scutage means more loyalty (which is a little simplified since nobles were never particularly fond of being called to war)).

    -You'll need that money to pay for Army Upkeep. The most expensive thing you'll have to deal with is keeping your army mobilized. Essentially, you will not have a standing army. You'll mobilize when you need to go to war. Otherwise you'll nearly always have a negative budgetary Balance.

    Peace is profitable; unless all your lands are disease-ridden cesspools of revolt you'll make money at peace (and you'll be spending that money on province improvements and intrigue).


    Of course, you can always click on your army for a bit more of an overview of their composition, regiments (if you've combined them from different provinces or mercenaries).

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    The stick figure is the number of men in the entire army. The little skull is the army's attrition (11% is high; it's so high because this army is huge). You can click on the portrait here to see the army leader's character page. Otherwise the numbers break down like the composition in the province view.

    -You can click and drag over armies on the map (in the same province) to Merge them into the same army. Similarly, you can Split them back into individual regiment-sized armies once selected.

    -You'll often have to Disband your armies - particularly at war's end. They're expensive and you'll likely be losing troops to attrition (until you've got larger castles able to increase your supply limit). Disbanding armies in your own realm will make sure 90% of the troops remain available (you could hypothetically capture some land in a peace settlement, disband them and then remobilize them in their home province for only a 10% loss in immediately available manpower). If you disband them abroad it will take longer for the regiment to be re-recruited.

    Click on an army and then right click a destination for them to move there. If they cannot move over land you'll be asked if you're willing to foot the bill to send them overseas. This tends to be a function of the manpower being sent and the distance and can get very expensive.

    Once you hit an enemy army you'll start a battle (check their army size and hope you're similarly sized, your composition is better, your morale is higher, or that your tech level is higher). If you're in enemy territory and you win you'll siege the province (which will go faster if your army is larger). If you're in friendly territory the enemy will be forced to retreat somewhere to an adjacent province (preferring their realm if possible).



    That's a lot of typing; hopefully it proves useful to someone.

    [edit]excommunication and crusading and combat and grammar corrections![/edit]

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Very well done. Adding to the OP.

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  • MetallikatMetallikat Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    The thing that chaps my ass is getting a Bad Boy rating for taking over heathen lands. Excuse me? They're heathens, who exactly is booing me for taking heathen lands (other than the heathens)? Shouldn't the people to whom my reputation means anything be either happy, or at the very least apathetic to it? It makes Crusading far less appealing to me than I wanted it to be.

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  • President RexPresident Rex Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Added combat-related stuff to my loquacious tutorial. Also random historical information about scutage!



    Heathen land's are a bit easier to take since you don't have to take a reputation hit from claiming their title. I guess reputation is also supposed to represent how threatening you appear. If you suddenly captured all of the holy land some king somewhere is probably going to be pissed at your über new kingdom.

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Okay... patience has won the day and I am really getting into it.

    Recently my Duke was insulted at a tournament by his own 4 year old son. A grudge was held and a rival born.

    This game reminds me of Dwarf Fortress in some of the ways things can happen.

    Another one:

    My duke is 48 years old and marries a 16 year old. The previous wife had born him a son, who had just reached the age of 18 but the new young lass was with child!

    Sadly the king died and the young heir took over. He also decided to marry the previous queen, who then bore the previous kings child a few months later. That was a little bit creepy.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Recently my Duke was insulted at a tournament by his own 4 year old son. A grudge was held and a rival born.

    Heh.

    "You're a poopy head."

    "I HAVE NO SON"

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  • Rhan9Rhan9 Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I tend to always start as a count, as it's ever so satisfying to fight my way from the county of crapholistan to become the king of uberland, and so forth. The beginning can be painful though.

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Man this game is a lot of fun, but I have a question.

    I am currently playing the Duchess of Brittany from the Third Crusade. Richard the Lionheart and Henry FitzEmpress, the King of England are having it out.

    After a number of years I decided to make myself Queen of Brittany (got tired of Henry asking for troops, then Richard gets pissed at me).

    I noticed that since England and Richard are having it out that Wales is just sitting around being independent so after a number of years manage to make myself Queen of Wales as well.

    My question is this:

    When is it a good time to start giving out titles? I played a game as the count of Montpellier once and gave a title to my infant son. Then he rebelled against me.
    I seem to have a lot of bad luck regarding infant sons rising up in rebellion against their father.

    Is there a "right" time to give them titles and such? As it is right now, I am still running 100% efficiency having a demesne of 7 as queen. Should I just keep Vassals to a minimum until I start losing efficiency?

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  • MetallikatMetallikat Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Endomatic wrote: »
    Man this game is a lot of fun, but I have a question.

    I am currently playing the Duchess of Brittany from the Third Crusade. Richard the Lionheart and Henry FitzEmpress, the King of England are having it out.

    After a number of years I decided to make myself Queen of Brittany (got tired of Henry asking for troops, then Richard gets pissed at me).

    I noticed that since England and Richard are having it out that Wales is just sitting around being independent so after a number of years manage to make myself Queen of Wales as well.

    My question is this:

    When is it a good time to start giving out titles? I played a game as the count of Montpellier once and gave a title to my infant son. Then he rebelled against me.
    I seem to have a lot of bad luck regarding infant sons rising up in rebellion against their father.

    Is there a "right" time to give them titles and such? As it is right now, I am still running 100% efficiency having a demesne of 7 as queen. Should I just keep Vassals to a minimum until I start losing efficiency?

    Make sure you have a good combination of traits, reputation and diplomacy. Having the kinslayer trait, for instance, can seriously turn your vassals against you, as well as having a bad reputation and low diplomacy. Things like low scutage, feudal law, where the vassals are in the line of succession, and whether they're blood relatives can help turn their loyalty in your favor. Your reputation and the various laws and taxes can be changed, so that's not too big of a deal, but negative traits like Kinslayer, Excommunicated, and the various mental illnesses can seriously put your vassals loyalty into the negative percentages. It might honestly be better, in such instances, to send your affected King on a suicide campaign into the Holy Lands in an attempt to get him killed in battle.

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  • spiderj24spiderj24 Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I've been away for the weekend, in the wilds away from the internet, and just read through the new additions to this thread. I think President Rex should be given a job at Paradox. So glad someone took the time to help people get into and enjoy the game as much as it's possible to.

    Also really enjoying reading peoples' experiences. Long may it continue.

    Now, back to it.

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    I try to give out titles as much as possible, and I like to give multiple titles to the same people, usually the duke title and all of the count titles under it, unless they're already held by someone. I'll let him choose to create his own vassals or not. I really only keep a few wealthy counties to pull troops from in areas where I figure I'll need it. I try to avoid mobilizing vassals if at all possible. Usually I'll just pick a random courtier from my court. If they occasionally get rebellious, I'll just give them a cash gift and that seems to help. If it happens again, I let them rebel then just take the title back.

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  • breton-brawlerbreton-brawler Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Endomatic wrote: »
    <snip>

    When is it a good time to start giving out titles? I played a game as the count of Montpellier once and gave a title to my infant son. Then he rebelled against me.

    I seem to have a lot of bad luck regarding infant sons rising up in rebellion against their father.
    Is there a "right" time to give them titles and such? As it is right now, I am still running 100% efficiency having a demesne of 7 as queen. Should I just keep Vassals to a minimum until I start losing efficiency?

    I would note don't assign titles until you are a duke at least. I had a game as count of Angus Scotland where I assigned a title to my successor and he became a vassal of the king of Scotland. This caused major problems, once he was a vassal of the king, he declared independence and broke away without a scratch. This led the king to lay a claim on my county of Angus and within 10 years raised an army and wiped my count out, and to top it all of since my son was an independent he had established a new dynasty of his own so my game ended within 40 years of starting.

    I have tried starting as a vassal of the king of Scotland but he does some seriously stupid stuff that leads Scotland to either be taking over by king William or the Muslims invade and carve up Scotland how they please.

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    That's the thing though...

    I don't have any Kinslayer, or shit, even any real BAD attributes.

    Here is my queen RIGHT now:

    Constance Angevin - Age 31
    Honest, Generous, Stubborn, Indulgent, and Amiable Prodigy with a Theologian Education.
    She is excommunicated, and was excommunicated IMMEDIATELY after the pope announced the third crusade. I literally did not have 10 seconds to raise and send an army. The 2 events happened simultaneously.
    The only thing I really did was raise the amount of tribute I pay the church and switch from Tradition to Feudal governmental thing (I do this in all games usually). How did I get excommunicated? I'm not at war or odds with the papal controller or the papacy.

    My only heir is the son of the dead King Geoffrey, brother of the King of England.

    If Henry FitzEmpress and Richard the Lionheart die, My son will inherit all of England, Gascony, Brittany and Wales. I want this to happen.

    He is courtier now, and I am VERY scared he is going to get assassinated. The game tells me that lords with titles are more difficult to assassinate (since they can have spy masters I assume), so I need to know when it is appropriate to start giving the kid some titles. He is 6 or 7 right now.

    EDIT: Case in point, I have just assassinated Richard the Lionhearts infant son because he was placed in the succession line before my son. Who is to say someone else won't try to do the same?!

    EDIT 2: Need clarity: If this goes down, and my son inherits England, he'll go and form his own court there correct?
    I will still have my first character as the Queen of Brittany. If I then give the Queendom to my son, will I get to continue playing, or will that end it for me?
    Should I abdicate Brittany before the King of England dies?

    What are the correct steps to take so I can control it all?

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Here is an extremely important question: Should I just abdicate to my son all the titles and such from the queen because of excommunication? I've been the papal controller before (by luck somehow), and I know you can undo it. Do I need to suck up to the pope, or the controller? Or is it even possible for this to happen?

    I have a bad reputation because I am greedy and I attack people a lot. If I pass on to another member of the family, do I get a clean slate?

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Pretty sure reputation doesn't carry over, but I don't know what would happen if you gave all your titles away.

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  • DemiurgeDemiurge Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    You could tithe more to increase your Piety, that might work.

    I'm using the Deus Vult improvement pack thingie, and I thought it was pretty funny when I got the option to abdicate to my son (because of age) and when I agreed to do it I lost the game :P

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Now I've fucked up my game. I allied with the Kingdom of Castille and he immediately declared war on a sheikdom.

    Then every sheikdom declared on me.

    Now they continually ask me every 5 seconds EACH for peace and demand all the money I have.
    It has become unplayable. I'll just have to roll back I guess.

    How the hell do you fight with the Sheikdoms in southern Spain without simply quitting due to the peace offerings? Is there a way to permanently decline all peace offerings?

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  • Sir CarcassSir Carcass I have been shown the end of my world Round Rock, TXRegistered User regular
    edited July 2010
    You could try holding out until they offer a White Peace. That's what they usually do when it doesn't seem you're going to actually fight each other. I've had vassals cause wars halfway around the world which I join but never send troops and eventually the enemy will offer a White Peace, which I accept.

    If they actually attack you on the other hand....

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  • President RexPresident Rex Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Infant Vassals
    You probably don't want to give anything to an infant anybody in DVIP because they make terrible rulers with their low stats (since you said you claimed the Queendom of Brittany, which doesn't exist in the vanilla game, I'll assume you've got DVIP). You may also want to check their traits to see if they're getting rebellious or something.


    Ruler's Ability to Maintain Vassal Loyalty
    Otherwise, you may want to check your reputation or the loyalty gains/losses of your vassals. Aside from rivalries and rebelliousness, reputation is the biggest killer to vassal loyalty (if you've just annexed 66% of Wales that's at least 4 more to your reputation which is 1.6% loyalty loss for your vassals). If you want to offset this, you can try to raise your ruler's diplomacy (via picking the suitable event options) gaining some more prestige (I think 100 and 1000 are the most viable numbers) or feeding some cash to your most disloyal vassals.

    Keep in mind that DVIP also has an event chain that has vassals become independent if their lands are of a different culture 'group' than yours (as Brittany you'll likely remain Breton or French or Occitan (Southern French); Wales is Welsh and different). If you want to edit this event, go to C:\Program Files\Crusader Kings\db\events\DVIP_break_free.txt and look for the line
    #condition = { type = ai } # AI liege only -- remove the # sign to cheat
    

    and make it
    condition = { type = ai } # AI liege only -- remove the # sign to cheat
    

    (this can be annoying, but it was implemented to help tiny AI states from declaring allegiance to far off lords and random, scattershot empires developing from that)


    Excommunication
    You likely got excommunicated because one of your neighbors (or one of your rivals) became the papal controller. If you were at war with the papal controller, that'd likely do it too. You can help avoid this by maintaining a high piety - but if the game just started there's not always a lot you can do (legitimately).


    Demesne Size
    Since you made yourself a Queen you've effectively doubled the demesne you can hold. The 'formula' is (half of your ruler's intrique + 1 for each century) * 2 for being a kingdom.

    The game's default is 1066, you'll get +1 in 1100 and (you're not quite there yet) +1 for 1200. Constance of Penthièvre starts with 7 intrigue and duchess of Brittany in 1187 so her total demesne size may be:

    ((7 * 0.5) + 1 ) * 1 = 4.5 provinces (tends to get rounded down, in my experience)
    Intrigue halved, after 1100, leader of a duchy

    Your situation now should be:

    (((7 + 3 - 1) * 0.5) + 1 ) * 2 = 11 provinces
    Half of intrigue + 3 for prodigy - 1 for honest, 1 for after 1100, doubled for a kingdom

    I wouldn't bother giving Arthur land until he's 16, anyway (even if he was historically granted the dukedom at 7 and lived to the ripe old age of 16). You could lead all of Brittany and Wales by yourself at 90% efficiency and avoid having anyone split off (since you won't have vassals) - although you may have occasional revolts.


    Inheritance
    If Arthur is a landowner when you abdicate/die, then your game will switch to him (he has your dynasty as indicated by his last name and the blood droplet). If Arthur doesn't have land yet when you die, he'll get yours (this is easy to see in the Third Crusade scenario, but may be more nebulous in other cases) and may stand to inherit the land of whoever has him as their primary successor (whenever they die).

    When your ruler dies, your game will switch to someone of your dynasty. If the next in line to inherit your land is not of your dynasty (distant blood relatives with your last name) and no one in your dynasty is a land holder then you'll lose.


    Bonus: Constant Peace Offerings!
    You might consider slowing the game down (control and the minus key) so they don't pop-up as frequently while you're doing things. Otherwise there's no method I know of to eradicate the spam. You could hypothetically drag the offers out of the way and they should stay there for 2 months.

    Otherwise you might consider opening the console and using the byzantine cheat to just settle peace with them (or at least the tiny vassals - the lieges will still draw forces from them, but you won't have to deal with their preace requests, so it's less like cheating).

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  • jammujammu 2020 is now. Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Ah, Crusader Kings! So many good times just doing strange things.

    I remember playing Swedish duke, with their strongest vassal inherits rule.
    I ignored mostly the outside world and ended up inheriting kingdom,
    then trying to prop up my son as strongest vassal,
    failing on that (son died and his vassal inherited him!)
    and ending up as minor relative sent to exile as count of tavastia in Finland!

    I eventually captured the kingdom again by expanding to russia, but few generations later,
    I was a minor count in southern norway. Good times.

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  • RebootReboot Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Reputation does carry over. Every time there's a succession, your BB rating will recover by about a third.

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  • EndomaticEndomatic Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Nice post Rex, thanks very much.

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  • President RexPresident Rex Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Glad to be helpful. Much of this information is buried on page 13 of Random Thread Twenty-Four on the official forums.

    Also a small addendum: when your ruler dies you'll only lose 1/3 of your reputation (not 2/3 as implied above).



    Now if only my game would stop crashing, I'd be able to continue my attempted reconstruction of the Roman Empire as Sicily. Problem is some of my vassals declare war on eachother, and if I decide to intervene somehow I get a nice CTD.

    I even managed to capture the title Kingdom of Zirid since one of my vassals broke off, swore allegiance to the Muslim 'king' (who was down to a mighty 1 province). Took the Nile delta with him, so I just bided my time - vowing comeuppance. By then my unfaithful vassal had inherited the title, which I then took in the subsequent war. Zirid went crazy and attacked my vassal in Tunisia and I reclaimed the Delta (and some random Algerian province).

    There's just something unfair about having Alexandria in an incredibly prosperous state. 16000 men marching across Northern Africa is unstoppable (plus they occasionally decide to send some of them fancy Moslem technologies up to our redneck Siciilian lands). They've marched through Cyrencia, Tripoli and Tunis in the succession war. Not only did I keep my empire intact, I added some new lands to it.

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  • His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited July 2010
    Is it normal for your vassals to ignore rebels? Their province will be under siege, they'll have a large regiment unmobilised, yet won't do anything about it.

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