These [chat] really got ahold of me

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot

japan wrote: »

MRA?

Men's Right Activist

A group of people who believe feminism has gone too far and men need an equality movement.

nexuscrawler

skippydumptruck wrote: »

so I'm excited to hear the federal government talking about 0 homelessness

does anyone know if there is $ for the plan they are talking about today?

only if it involves shooting the homeless at terrorists via some sort of pneumatic tube.

So It Goes

Preacher wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

Thom I don't think battered men don't exist, and I don't exactly buy into the Duluth model. But I have to disagree that there is a parity there.

And thus the cycle is repeated. You don't believe it, therefore it must not be true.

Based on statistics and my experiences, I don't think there is a parity, no.

That absolutely does not mean I don't think that a man can be a victim or a woman can be an abuser. Nor that I think what Thom went through at that panel was right in any way fashion or form.

Inquisitor

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

japan wrote: »

MRA?

Men's Right Activist

A group of people who believe feminism has gone too far and men need an equality movement.

Men do need a movement to remove them from the constraints of the male gender role.

I don't think this has anything to do with feminism going to far, personally.

japan

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

"Home Depot is basically encouraging the attendance of children at events which openly expose them to transvestites, cross-dressers, and homosexual activists. Gay pride events have a long track record for offensive public displays of homosexual conduct. Obviously, Home Depot is O.K. with the idea of exposing children to an unhealthy and risky environment. So much so, it is willing to also celebrate it by participating in its promotion." — Tim Wildmon, president, American Family Association, on Home Depot's sponsorship of gay pride events in New England.

I'm now proud to work for Home Depot.

What is that a quote from?

Preacher

You know I'm sure there are some sensible people pitching for mens rights, but much like feminism they aren't as loud as the insane ones who get press.

In america family courts destroy dudes, and politically thats a fucking third rail, and thats total bullshit.

Ludious

Can't you just make a ruling that battered men be allowed into a halfway house or some other pre-existing community shelter that houses men and then give them separate access to counseling?

Inquisitor

So It Goes wrote: »

Based on statistics and my experiences, I don't think there is a parity, no.

That absolutely does not mean I don't think that a man can be a victim or a woman can be an abuser. Nor that I think what Thom went through at that panel was right in any way fashion or form.

You do of course realize that due to gender roles and societal norms men are much, much less likely to report abuse than a woman, and there is already plenty of unreported abuse being done to women.

So, I don't know how much stock I'd put in statistics, and your experience, well, we all know what is said about anecdotes.

Regina Fong

Preacher wrote: »

MikeMan wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

Organichu wrote: »

down-syndrome jew. huh.

But he's a nice guy in real life!

I mean he seemed alright enough but like.

Damn.

What both are descriptor terms, I mean true put together its a little ugly, but someone can look jewish, and someone can look like they have downs.

It was more than a little ugly.

skippydumptruck

this seems to support Thom's position

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#Gender_of_assailant

So It Goes

Inquisitor wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

Based on statistics and my experiences, I don't think there is a parity, no.

That absolutely does not mean I don't think that a man can be a victim or a woman can be an abuser. Nor that I think what Thom went through at that panel was right in any way fashion or form.

You do of course realize that due to gender roles and societal norms men are much, much less likely to report abuse than a woman, and there is already plenty of unreported abuse being done to women.

So, I don't know how much stock I'd put in statistics, and your experience, well, we all know what is said about anecdotes.

Yes, I am taking that into account.

amateurhour

I got all of my work done today, no ass chewings thereof invovled, and I looked like a pro. Now I've got an hour and a half to dick around on the net hopefully

Tav

I am totally for men's rights

unmarried fathers get fucked by the court system the whole world over

Chanus

japan wrote: »

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

"Home Depot is basically encouraging the attendance of children at events which openly expose them to transvestites, cross-dressers, and homosexual activists. Gay pride events have a long track record for offensive public displays of homosexual conduct. Obviously, Home Depot is O.K. with the idea of exposing children to an unhealthy and risky environment. So much so, it is willing to also celebrate it by participating in its promotion." — Tim Wildmon, president, American Family Association, on Home Depot's sponsorship of gay pride events in New England.

I'm now proud to work for Home Depot.

What is that a quote from?

— Tim Wildmon, president, American Family Association, on Home Depot's sponsorship of gay pride events in New England.

Preacher

From skippys link.

Justice Department studies show that men are 32% less likely than women to report any form of violent victimization

Hmm I wonder why that would be...

TL DR

I imagine that domestic violence by woman against men is even more under-reported than the inverse. I've been struck in relationships a few times, but never hit back or thought it necessary/prudent to involve law enforcement, even if blood was drawn. Just because I could have overpowered the lady if she wanted to press the issue doesn't mean that it wasn't a shitty experience and symptomatic of our terribly unhealthy relationship.

Inquisitor

So It Goes wrote: »

Yes, I am taking that into account.

So you just know how much unreported abuse goes on to men and women and have deduced from this knowledge that there is not parity then? Impressive.

Abdhyius

Watching CSI because there's fuck else to do

jesus christ Caruso is so bad

So It Goes

"In 1999, in the US, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, regardless of which partner started the violence and of the gender of the partner. In the US, in 2005, 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners."

This isn't parity. That's all I'm saying.

Organichu

i have killed at least 50 gay lovers

So It Goes

Inquisitor wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

Yes, I am taking that into account.

So you just know how much unreported abuse goes on to men and women and have deduced from this knowledge that there is not parity then? Impressive.

Please enlighten me with all the proper statistics.

amateurhour

I think I'm going to continue onward with my Mass Effect 1 Paragon Shepard campaign tonight. I was almost pure paragon, but I killed the weapons dealer by accident on the Citadel when I tried to be a good guy and arrest him.

I guess I can't be all good, all the time.

Preacher

So It Goes wrote: »

"In 1999, in the US, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, regardless of which partner started the violence and of the gender of the partner. In the US, in 2005, 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners."

This isn't parity. That's all I'm saying.

Killed, but we don't know how many of these were homicides that were prosecuted vs justifiable homicides. Numbers can be used to lie, and with that stat you just did.

Thomamelas

So It Goes wrote: »

Preacher wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

Thom I don't think battered men don't exist, and I don't exactly buy into the Duluth model. But I have to disagree that there is a parity there.

And thus the cycle is repeated. You don't believe it, therefore it must not be true.

Based on statistics and my experiences, I don't think there is a parity, no.

That absolutely does not mean I don't think that a man can be a victim or a woman can be an abuser. Nor that I think what Thom went through at that panel was right in any way fashion or form.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/ncfv-cnivf/pdfs/fv-85-224-x2000010-eng.pdf

Page 44 has the breakdown by gender. It's from Statistics Canada, and the methodology is in the report. I can dig up more if you'd like.

TL DR

So It Goes wrote: »

"In 1999, in the US, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, regardless of which partner started the violence and of the gender of the partner. In the US, in 2005, 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners."

This isn't parity. That's all I'm saying.

The gender dynamics of "domestic abuse" and "homicide of an intimate partner" may not have a 1:1 relationship.

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot

Tav wrote: »

I am totally for men's rights

unmarried fathers get fucked by the court system the whole world over

Women are worse off after a divorce, financially.

Inquisitor

So It Goes wrote: »

Inquisitor wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

Yes, I am taking that into account.

So you just know how much unreported abuse goes on to men and women and have deduced from this knowledge that there is not parity then? Impressive.

Please enlighten me with all the proper statistics.

I'm not the one putting forth claims that there isn't parity between male and female abuse.

Variable

eminem stopped doing drugs right? this album is rehab or something?

I find this motivating but I want to verify that it's true

Ludious

How do those numbers change when you look at attempted murder? Oh you can't because attempted murder probably goes unreported a lot.

Yes I'm saying that there may be more parity than it seems because the man was able to overpower the woman before it escalated to "murder".

dlinfiniti

Organichu wrote: »

i have killed at least 50 gay lovers

and then you met kakos

So It Goes

Preacher wrote: »

So It Goes wrote: »

"In 1999, in the US, 1,218 women and 424 men were killed by an intimate partner, regardless of which partner started the violence and of the gender of the partner. In the US, in 2005, 1181 females and 329 males were killed by their intimate partners."

This isn't parity. That's all I'm saying.

Killed, but we don't know how many of these were homicides that were prosecuted vs justifiable homicides. Numbers can be used to lie, and with that stat you just did.

Um, what?

amateurhour

Organichu wrote: »

i have killed at least 50 gay lovers

That you know of.... What about all those broken hearts?

Organichu

i don't think there needs to be total parity to introduce a model of treatment and prevention that is more even handed

japan

Chanus wrote: »

japan wrote: »

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

"Home Depot is basically encouraging the attendance of children at events which openly expose them to transvestites, cross-dressers, and homosexual activists. Gay pride events have a long track record for offensive public displays of homosexual conduct. Obviously, Home Depot is O.K. with the idea of exposing children to an unhealthy and risky environment. So much so, it is willing to also celebrate it by participating in its promotion." — Tim Wildmon, president, American Family Association, on Home Depot's sponsorship of gay pride events in New England.

I'm now proud to work for Home Depot.

What is that a quote from?

— Tim Wildmon, president, American Family Association, on Home Depot's sponsorship of gay pride events in New England.

Yay for reading comprehension.

In my defence, I'm tired.

Ludious

Variable wrote: »

eminem stopped doing drugs right? this album is rehab or something?

I find this motivating but I want to verify that it's true

Album is Recovery and it is off the chain based on what I've heard.

Elendil

amateurhour wrote: »

I think I'm going to continue onward with my Mass Effect 1 Paragon Shepard campaign tonight. I was almost pure paragon, but I killed the weapons dealer by accident on the Citadel when I tried to be a good guy and arrest him.

I guess I can't be all good, all the time.

god

why even bother playing

So It Goes

Well I'm off to take some rights away from men, see you guys later.

Thom I will check that link out later.

Organichu wrote: »

i don't think there needs to be total parity to introduce a model of treatment and prevention that is more even handed

Neither do I.

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot

Variable wrote: »

eminem stopped doing drugs right? this album is rehab or something?

I find this motivating but I want to verify that it's true

He might be secretly doing drugs but yes he is publically clean

Variable

woman are too weak to hurt men

come on

Chanus

japan wrote: »

Chanus wrote: »

japan wrote: »

Dread Pirate Arbuthnot wrote: »

"Home Depot is basically encouraging the attendance of children at events which openly expose them to transvestites, cross-dressers, and homosexual activists. Gay pride events have a long track record for offensive public displays of homosexual conduct. Obviously, Home Depot is O.K. with the idea of exposing children to an unhealthy and risky environment. So much so, it is willing to also celebrate it by participating in its promotion." — Tim Wildmon, president, American Family Association, on Home Depot's sponsorship of gay pride events in New England.

I'm now proud to work for Home Depot.

What is that a quote from?

— Tim Wildmon, president, American Family Association, on Home Depot's sponsorship of gay pride events in New England.

Yay for reading comprehension.

In my defence, I'm tired.

Oh, I thought you meant more like what news article it's from. I was just being a goose.