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The Care and Feeding of [Battlebots] - It's Alive!

The Battlebots Thread

Some of you may remember some shows a few years back that just might have involved ambulatory power tools tearing each other to pieces to the delight of a screaming crowd. But, the show ended and the images of robots fighting to the death in gladiatorial combat faded into memory; what you may not know is the competitions never stopped. To this day competitions occur across several countries on what is often a monthly basis, with weight classes ranging from 390 pounds all the way down to 35 grams. As I'm in the process of building my first non-affiliated robot, I thought I would make a thread to shed some light on the world of Combat Robotics [A running build report is in the third post of the thread]. Feel free to ask questions about competitions or the building process, and if you think I've forgotten something I can update the OP with additional information.

So, how can I get in on the action?
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Where do I get electronics?
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Where do I get raw materials?
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But how do I make plans/blueprints/CAD Models for my robot?
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Okay, I have a design, now how do I make it?
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Awesome, I have a working battlebot! Where do I need to go to compete?
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Resources
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Electronics
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Manufacturing
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Competitions
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Research Tools
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Software
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High-Level Resources [Not Recommended for Beginners]
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  • Emissary42Emissary42 Registered User regular
    Upcoming Competitions


    Past Competitions
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  • Emissary42Emissary42 Registered User regular
    Build Report
    Antweight Class [1 lb], Name: Kinetic Discourager Glass Cannon
    Weapon Type: Vertical Disk
    Competitions: Dragon*con Robot Battles 42, 0-1 win/loss record

    2011:

    9-1 to 9-2:
    BUILD ALL THE THINGS. Over the course of one evening and one 16 hour caffeine-fueled extravaganza of robot construction, Glass Cannon finally came online. Competition notes, pictures, and final details will be in the thread-resurrecting post below!

    7-17:
    After a stupendous amount of nothing happening, I've finally got something to put up here again. For the time being, I'm abandoning the custom motor for an off the shelf brushless outrunner. In the future I'd like to get the custom motor running, but I'd prefer to have a working robot for Dragon*con this time around. I should have some CAD assemblies done in a few hours, and from that I can order some materials for the updated layout (lots of plastic). Once the materials are ordered, I'll put up a general update post.

    1-3:
    Some new photos will be up shortly. What's happened in the intervening months is a whole lot of nothing; I did, however, press fit the weapon disk to the weapon's motor can and determine that I needed to make new side pieces. Initially I believed the 1/8" aluminum would be thick enough for proper fastening, and I've now realized that wasn't such a good idea. New side pieces will be designed and then machined from 1/2" polycarbonate, hopefully two weeks from now.

    2010:

    9-2:
    Due to unfortunate delays, the robot will not be done in time as planned. However, there will still be a great number of robots in attendance at Dragon*Con Robot Battles, particularly some impressive creations in the 30 lb class.

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  • Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    Surprised this thread hasn't had more interest, just blue dotting it to see how things go. I'd love to do something like this but:

    a) It's nowhere near as big in the UK and
    b) My time and money is at a premium due to marriage/house purchase!

    Keep updating the thread though, I'm looking forward to seeing some pics as you progress.

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  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User
    I would love to get in on a community designed machine. A hive mind robot if you will.

    Voice actor for hire. My time is free if your project is!
  • Emissary42Emissary42 Registered User regular
    Mr_Grinch wrote: »
    Surprised this thread hasn't had more interest, just blue dotting it to see how things go. I'd love to do something like this but:

    a) It's nowhere near as big in the UK and
    b) My time and money is at a premium due to marriage/house purchase!

    Keep updating the thread though, I'm looking forward to seeing some pics as you progress.

    On a) I suspect it depends on where you look - I just googled around a bit, and I discovered a fairly major event is about to occur this coming weekend (heavyweights and all) in the UK. I'll admit, it's hard to find some events though - the vast majority are for the small weight classes run by local groups that don't have a very good web presence, so unless you're in the know you never hear about them.
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    I would love to get in on a community designed machine. A hive mind robot if you will.

    That would be pretty cool.

  • BigBlueSawBigBlueSaw Registered User
    Thanks for the link, Emissary42.

    Group designed bots have been suggested before, but there's a few problems to overcome. Getting everybody on the same CAD package is one. Also, even with online machining services, there's still a lot of assembly, testing, and tweaking that goes into building a fighting robot, and that must be done in person.

  • Mr_GrinchMr_Grinch Registered User regular
    I don't think the UK scene was helped much by the God awful Robot Wars tv show we had, the commentary was horrendous:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e4cHWS2758

    I think all anyone really remembers of the UK show is this little dude because it actually did severe damage:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzraVXP-5KQ

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    PSN: SirGrinchX
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  • Emissary42Emissary42 Registered User regular
    Oh, trust me, cheesy announcing seems to be one of the major traditions in a fair number of competitions. Fortunately, the damage the robots are capable of dealing has increased at a rate proportional to that cheese:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0KbLlJYfU

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUtbt5vEt8M

  • ImprovoloneImprovolone Registered User
    I've always wanted to see a giant rolling ball/pill shaped object.

    Voice actor for hire. My time is free if your project is!
  • Emissary42Emissary42 Registered User regular
    I've always wanted to see a giant rolling ball/pill shaped object.
    Then you're in luck! Meet ROFL.

  • GMaster7GMaster7 Registered User regular
    Those videos... Are SO awesome. Good luck with this project!

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  • Emissary42Emissary42 Registered User regular
    Fun side effect of milling steel: the machine attempts to mimic a vuvuzela
    In other news, I've finally been able to track down news from a competition that took place two weeks ago. The Pennsylvania Bot Blast tournament on July 17th went off well, and the winner in the antweight bracket was Fangus 3.0. Here it is fighting... itself?

  • electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
    Man those saw-blade / spinning heavy thing robots are god damn terrifying.

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    Cancer is when cells stop letting the body mooch off their hard work - clearly a community of like-minded cells should isolate themselves and do the best job each can do, even if the rest of the body collapses!
  • Emissary42Emissary42 Registered User regular
    For much of the past year the robot has sat in its box due to a combination of coursework, lack of machine access, and a need for a radical redesign of the chassis.

    Summer 2011
    In a combination of idle/unallocated time at my internship and at home over the summer, I was able to produce a new chassis layout. This has vastly simplified its construction, and was the last piece I needed before starting up fabrication again.
    The first components made were endcaps and assembly tools for the weapon hub motor. Going off on a bit of an adventurous/insane streak, I decided to 3D print them; after all, if you have access to a 3D printer why not take advantage of it? Once the parts had finished printing, I went about finishing the assembly of the motor. In this case, that meant gluing the magnets to the motor can and applying a protective layer of epoxy to the stator windings to prevent wear and short circuits.
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    If you'll recall, in this robot the weapon itself is a motor - specifically a brushless outrunner - in order to reduce the number of components to limit the possibility of damage and to decrease weight. Once the whole thing was together, I mounted the axle in a lathe (the most convenient stationary object I had at the time), attached a power supply, speed controller, and servo tester, and turned it on:
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    Personally, I was amazed at how well-balanced the entire thing turned out. Quite pleased with my results (including an eviscerated coke can), I proceeded on to the robot's chassis. Since the endcaps had turned out well, I decided to give the 3D printer a bit of a bigger workout:
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    While the print turned out quite well, I wasn't satisfied with the rigidity of the final part, and decided to make a new frame from polycarbonate [aka bulletproof glass]. It was around this time that the new name, Glass Cannon, was given to the robot as several people were concerned the printed chassis would shatter violently if struck by a spinning weapon. With the change to a polycarbonate frame, the risk of violent botsplosion had dropped but the robot's appearance matched the name much better.
    With my internship winding down and packing for heading back to school well underway, I boxed up what I had managed to finish.

    Fall 2011
    With Dragon*con fast approaching, I needed to make the new chassis quickly. I made an order with expedited shipping from onlinemetals, and then waited. And waited. And then finally heard that they accidentally sent my polycarbonate to my billing address around 1000 miles away. Fortunately, McMaster-Carr is close enough that I was able to make an emergency order and have the polycarbonate I needed arrive the next day.
    It's worth noting that I'm not the only person who builds personal battlebots at my school. The owner of the antweight [1 lb] DDT and beetleweight [3 lb] Cake is also a student here, and we both volunteer in an open machine shop on campus. Some of his friends wanted to get in on the action as well, and Internet Famous (featured in MAKE magazine, Popular Science, on Engadget and hackaday.com) Charles Guan was visiting and making use of the facilities here for his robot, the antweight [1 lb] Pop Quiz. This sets the stage for a two day caffeine-fueled robot building extravaganza to finish Glass Cannon, repair Cake, DDT, and Pop Quiz, and build three of what were dubbed 'Ass robots', perhaps better understood by "robots we pulled out of our ass in two days". I'll give a little run-down on each before continuing with Glass Cannon:

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    On Thursday afternoon and Friday, I used the waterjet machine to cut out the polycarbonate pieces for the frame. It's quite a loud machine to use, but it's easily becoming one of my favorite ways to make parts. Here's the baseplate & top plate being cut on the machine:
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    Once that was done, I had to drill and tap some holes in the frame pieces and then bolt the whole thing together. Here's what it looked like somewhat later on Friday, waiting for the soldering station to open up:
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    Once soldering was done, I was able to turn it on for the first time. Unfortunately, it was at that point that I discovered I had some kind of problem with my transmitter; the aileron potentiometer was not responding, and it occasionally entered periods of erratic uncontrolled activity (which is BAD for BattleBots) I was able to solve the potentiometer problem by changing some channels around, but the erratic behavior still persisted.
    After a bit more work Saturday evening, the robot was finally done. Here's how it looked at the competition:
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    Due to an incredible turnout of 36 entries, the competition on Sunday had to be switched from double elimination to single elimination in order to fit into its normal time slot. I was the third fight, against a robot called Black Mesa, with 4-wheel drive and a circular saw. The match was pretty good, I got in a solid hit on one of Black Mesa's wheels, popping it about a foot vertically and away from my robot, but I was eventually pinned against the wall during a transmitter fault, where Glass Cannon's baseplate was sawed completely through and the weapon speed controller suffered damage, causing a power failure to the receiver. Realizing that my robot was dead and further damage would likely result in a battery short and minor fire, I tapped out. Here's the carnage:
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    Not only was the signal wire to the weapon ESC cut, the main power wire was damaged and a capacitor was nearly cut in half along its length.

    The week after the competition, I replaced the damaged electrical components and changed out the polycarbonate top and base plates for 7075 Aluminum plate of the same thickness. The robot is still comfortably under the weight limit, and is now significantly more resistant to saws. Further updates to come include embedding LEDs in the polycarbonate side panels, new weapon endcaps, and possibly laser-etched artwork into the aluminum top & base plates. Additionally, I'm troubleshooting my transmitter and will hopefully be able to drive it around again shortly.

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  • ShanadeusShanadeus Registered User
    I am glad this thread is alive.
    Loved robotwars as a kid.

  • Skoal CatSkoal Cat Registered User
    I can't even fathom a 1lb robot duel.

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    Skoal Cat is correct.
  • Emissary42Emissary42 Registered User regular
    Skoal Cat wrote:
    I can't even fathom a 1lb robot duel.

    They're different, I'll say that. The nature of how battlebots work is their power output isn't proportional to their weight; lower weight classes can be more powerful per pound than most heavyweights. This means fights with smaller robots are frequently much more dynamic, in the physical sense. Robots with active weapons throw each other all over the place, both because it takes less to throw small things around and they're so powerful for their size. Good examples below (Cake & DDT video compilation from the competition):



  • Camo5Camo5 Registered User
    I made an antweight (1 lb). I still can't fathom 150g or 75g bots XD

    here's a video of it:

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