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# Ancient [Chat]ese Secret

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• __BANNED USERS regular
edited August 2010
that's not a very fair comparison, elldren

@nealcm @faynor
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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
I dont wanna just jump out of the bushes with this, but here goes. (You guys are pretty smart, so I'm sure you'll get it)

I've been playing a roulette minigame for the last 15 minutes or so. I'm using a betting system. Can't remember what it's called. Basically you bet a small amount and double it every time you lose. Right now I'm playing 13-24.

So bet 1 (lose) - bet 2 (lose) - bet 4 (lose) - bet 8 (lose) - bet 16 (win - payout is 48, I'm up 15 points)

My problem is this. I just had a losing streak of like 8 games. Ouch. Can I figure the probability of losing those games (as a collective) in terms of 0.66^8? (That'd be what, 1.6%?)

Or does probability not work that way?

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Elldren wrote: »
Preacher wrote: »
I think the term is retarded (reverse racism? so what thats tolerance?) But racism is racism, I mean if you judge a person by his race and act upon it in a negative matter, congratulations you're a racist.

Well yes, but it's rather like the difference between a 10 year old kid punching a 250 lb linebacker and that same linebacker punching the kid. It's still bad, and it's still harmful, but one of these things has a lot more potential for harm than the other.

ok, I wasn't going to reply to your first one but I cannot let this slide.

You are completely blowing out of proportion the effects of this so called and poorly defined "priveledge". "10 year old vs. 250 lb. linebacker" is assinine and misleading at best. I would say deliberatly and maliciously deceptive.

What you think "makes sense" has nothing to do with reality. It just has to do with your life experience. And your life experience may only be a small smidgen of reality. Possibly even a distorted account of reality at that. So what this means is that, beginning in the 20th century as our means of decoding nature became more and more powerful, we started realizing our common sense is no longer a tool to pass judgment on whether or not a scientific theory is correct. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Elldren wrote: »
Preacher wrote: »
I think the term is retarded (reverse racism? so what thats tolerance?) But racism is racism, I mean if you judge a person by his race and act upon it in a negative matter, congratulations you're a racist.

Well yes, but it's rather like the difference between a 10 year old kid punching a 250 lb linebacker and that same linebacker punching the kid. It's still bad, and it's still harmful, but one of these things has a lot more potential for harm than the other.
If I'm a white guy surrounded by a bunch of black guys who hate white dudes, and they are well-armed, there is the same potential for harm to me as for a black guy surrounded by well-armed KKK members.

It's just that, in the aggregate, I am less likely to encounter problems due to black -> white racism than a black guy is to encounter problems due to white -> black racism.

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Thomamelas wrote: »
Elldren wrote: »
Preacher wrote: »
I think the term is retarded (reverse racism? so what thats tolerance?) But racism is racism, I mean if you judge a person by his race and act upon it in a negative matter, congratulations you're a racist.

Well yes, but it's rather like the difference between a 10 year old kid punching a 250 lb linebacker and that same linebacker punching the kid. It's still bad, and it's still harmful, but one of these things has a lot more potential for harm than the other.

That line of reasoning is familiar. :?

Something you've gotten from women when you bring up your domestic violence stories?

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Elldren wrote: »
Preacher wrote: »
I think the term is retarded (reverse racism? so what thats tolerance?) But racism is racism, I mean if you judge a person by his race and act upon it in a negative matter, congratulations you're a racist.

Well yes, but it's rather like the difference between a 10 year old kid punching a 250 lb linebacker and that same linebacker punching the kid. It's still bad, and it's still harmful, but one of these things has a lot more potential for harm than the other.

white guilt something something

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Preacher wrote: »
Something wrong is wrong. Besides most of our issues with race in this country are more about poverty then skin color. The poor are shit on, regardless of skin color, but its easier to point out race and ignore poverty because its an easier dog whistle.

Yiiis, I've frequently made the argument that in the current world, being middle class is the ultimate privelige.

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Leitner wrote: »
Preacher wrote: »
Something wrong is wrong. Besides most of our issues with race in this country are more about poverty then skin color. The poor are shit on, regardless of skin color, but its easier to point out race and ignore poverty because its an easier dog whistle.

Yiiis, I've frequently made the argument that in the current world, being middle class is the ultimate privelige.

man what? Is this sarcasm?

What you think "makes sense" has nothing to do with reality. It just has to do with your life experience. And your life experience may only be a small smidgen of reality. Possibly even a distorted account of reality at that. So what this means is that, beginning in the 20th century as our means of decoding nature became more and more powerful, we started realizing our common sense is no longer a tool to pass judgment on whether or not a scientific theory is correct. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
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• __BANNED USERS regular
edited August 2010
Hey elendil, did you see all that stuff that is supposedly leaked info on the next Borderlands DLC?

@nealcm @faynor
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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Thomamelas wrote: »
Elldren wrote: »
Preacher wrote: »
I think the term is retarded (reverse racism? so what thats tolerance?) But racism is racism, I mean if you judge a person by his race and act upon it in a negative matter, congratulations you're a racist.

Well yes, but it's rather like the difference between a 10 year old kid punching a 250 lb linebacker and that same linebacker punching the kid. It's still bad, and it's still harmful, but one of these things has a lot more potential for harm than the other.

That line of reasoning is familiar. :?

<3

I'm not being dismissive of the hurt the linebacker suffers for being punched by the kid. It is a serious issue in any case and I'm not going to defend the kid any more than I would the linebacker.

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
every time....

I'm ready to have a weekend and EVERYONE WANTS TO DO LOTS OF WORK!!!

Mental midgets kill my inner child.
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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Gooey wrote: »
Gim wrote: »
Organichu wrote: »
goodbye gays and blacks of chat

But I am neither

Without proper resolution, our conversation never ended (or began). The void between us is eternity. Eons from now, a small number of beings living in the muck will figure this out and worship the concept before being crushed by a herd of Croco-elephants.

body of a crocodile, head of an elephant

or

body of an elephant, head of a crocodile?

the latter seems much more terrifying.

I will answer if you tell me if this parrot belongs to a pirate ghost or a ghost pirate:

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Elldren wrote: »
Thomamelas wrote: »
Elldren wrote: »
Preacher wrote: »
I think the term is retarded (reverse racism? so what thats tolerance?) But racism is racism, I mean if you judge a person by his race and act upon it in a negative matter, congratulations you're a racist.

Well yes, but it's rather like the difference between a 10 year old kid punching a 250 lb linebacker and that same linebacker punching the kid. It's still bad, and it's still harmful, but one of these things has a lot more potential for harm than the other.

That line of reasoning is familiar. :?

<3

I'm not being dismissive of the hurt the linebacker suffers for being punched by the kid. It is a serious issue in any case and I'm not going to defend the kid any more than I would the linebacker.

Actually yeah, you really really are.

What you think "makes sense" has nothing to do with reality. It just has to do with your life experience. And your life experience may only be a small smidgen of reality. Possibly even a distorted account of reality at that. So what this means is that, beginning in the 20th century as our means of decoding nature became more and more powerful, we started realizing our common sense is no longer a tool to pass judgment on whether or not a scientific theory is correct. - Neil Degrasse Tyson
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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Wow, ok so the backwardsname thing was prety epic.

He wasn't arguing against gay marriage from what I can see. Or a liberal echo chamber, just the SE++ echo chamber I think? Basically he just got all kinds of pissy when people didn't treat his posts as OMG serious, then he basically said fuck off to a mod, fuck CT and then left in a huff.

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• Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
edited August 2010
I just gotta say

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• __BANNED USERS regular
edited August 2010
how's it going, hakkes?

@nealcm @faynor
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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
I don't see this as particularly controversial, although there's an obvious disagreement as to scale.

For the big asterix, / disclaimer note that discrimination is bad and racism is bad and discriminating against white people is bad regardless or whether its more bad or less bad than discriminating against other people.

But c'mon, you have to be kind of daft to look at modern culture and say "straight white guys have it rough." Videogames are marketted to me, politicians pander to me, the media uses me to define "normal" and every statistical measurement of incarceration or pay favors me.

Maybe somebody will make fun of how I dance or assume I am unaware of recent musical trends because of my race / gender / orientation. That's really not on par with being X times more likely to be pulled over and ticketed by a police officer.

Two goats enter, one car leaves
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• Life doesn't run away from nobody. Life runs at people.Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Elldren wrote: »
Thomamelas wrote: »
Elldren wrote: »
Preacher wrote: »
I think the term is retarded (reverse racism? so what thats tolerance?) But racism is racism, I mean if you judge a person by his race and act upon it in a negative matter, congratulations you're a racist.

Well yes, but it's rather like the difference between a 10 year old kid punching a 250 lb linebacker and that same linebacker punching the kid. It's still bad, and it's still harmful, but one of these things has a lot more potential for harm than the other.

That line of reasoning is familiar. :?

<3

I'm not being dismissive of the hurt the linebacker suffers for being punched by the kid. It is a serious issue in any case and I'm not going to defend the kid any more than I would the linebacker.

I think the point you're trying to get across is that the fact that racism is bidirectional doesn't suddenly mean that there balance in it, or that both groups are equivalent in their suffering.

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Riemann: I'm guessing maybe I was being too hyperbolic.

The kid could kill the linebacker

there is a great degree of potential harm in any case

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• Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
edited August 2010
Nerdgasmic wrote: »
how's it going, hakkes?

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Thank you Thom, I'm sorry, it was a bad analogy.

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• __BANNED USERS regular
edited August 2010
Maybe somebody will make fun of how I dance or assume I am unaware of recent musical trends because of my race / gender / orientation. That's really not on par with being X times more likely to be pulled over and ticketed by a police officer.

That isn't really the worst racism a white person can face.

@nealcm @faynor
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• Registered User
edited August 2010
So I didn't really want to make a thread about this but felt the need to point it out, if someone else wants to make a thread about it thats cool. I just want to share.

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• Changing the World Order. Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Well, officially burnt myself out of sc2. Fucking hate it placed me in plat. 90% of the people crush me but I seem to always get the one guy I can beat so it never drops me out out. So every game I lose I feel helpless and every game I win feels to easy because the other person is like me and got there via some strange luck.

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
I have to say I love being white, everyday getting shit for being white. Good paying job because I'm white, nice condo because I'm white, not a lot of debt because whities look out for whities.

Everyday is wonderbread day in whiteman land.

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Should I set up a flickr account? y/n

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Nerdgasmic wrote: »
Hey elendil, did you see all that stuff that is supposedly leaked info on the next Borderlands DLC?

yes

it sounds p. cool

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Nerdgasmic wrote: »
Maybe somebody will make fun of how I dance or assume I am unaware of recent musical trends because of my race / gender / orientation. That's really not on par with being X times more likely to be pulled over and ticketed by a police officer.

That isn't really the worst racism a white person can face.

No but statistically speaking the chances that I, as a straight white guy, am going to face horrible life-destroying racism is really really really low.

It would really suck if a bunch of angry [insert group here]'s decided to kill me for my [insert whatever here], but that's pretty unlikely. Like "holy shit PotatoNinja just got hit by a meteor" unlikely.

It would be just as bad for me to be hurt / killed / hated because of my race as for anyone else to be hurt / killed / hated because of theirs. But the chances that I'm going to face discrimination that really harms my quality of life is pretty low, and that's because I'm a middle class straight white guy.

Two goats enter, one car leaves
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• __BANNED USERS regular
edited August 2010
Nerdgasmic wrote: »
Maybe somebody will make fun of how I dance or assume I am unaware of recent musical trends because of my race / gender / orientation. That's really not on par with being X times more likely to be pulled over and ticketed by a police officer.

That isn't really the worst racism a white person can face.

No but statistically speaking the chances that I, as a straight white guy, am going to face horrible life-destroying racism is really really really low.

It would really suck if a bunch of angry [insert group here]'s decided to kill me for my [insert whatever here], but that's pretty unlikely. Like "holy shit PotatoNinja just got hit by a meteor" unlikely.

It would be just as bad for me to be hurt / killed / hated because of my race as for anyone else to be hurt / killed / hated because of theirs. But the chances that I'm going to face discrimination that really harms my quality of life is pretty low, and that's because I'm a middle class straight white guy.

@nealcm @faynor
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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Nerdgasmic wrote: »
Nerdgasmic wrote: »
Maybe somebody will make fun of how I dance or assume I am unaware of recent musical trends because of my race / gender / orientation. That's really not on par with being X times more likely to be pulled over and ticketed by a police officer.

That isn't really the worst racism a white person can face.

No but statistically speaking the chances that I, as a straight white guy, am going to face horrible life-destroying racism is really really really low.

It would really suck if a bunch of angry [insert group here]'s decided to kill me for my [insert whatever here], but that's pretty unlikely. Like "holy shit PotatoNinja just got hit by a meteor" unlikely.

It would be just as bad for me to be hurt / killed / hated because of my race as for anyone else to be hurt / killed / hated because of theirs. But the chances that I'm going to face discrimination that really harms my quality of life is pretty low, and that's because I'm a middle class straight white guy.

I'm pretty sure that was his point.

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• Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
edited August 2010
CasedOut wrote: »
So I didn't really want to make a thread about this but felt the need to point it out, if someone else wants to make a thread about it thats cool. I just want to share.

bitch tried to salmonella me!

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• __BANNED USERS regular
edited August 2010
STARCRAFT 2 YOU BITCHES!

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
CasedOut wrote: »
So I didn't really want to make a thread about this but felt the need to point it out, if someone else wants to make a thread about it thats cool. I just want to share.

I don't think anyone here can defend that. It's not like getting the license would have magically made the lemonade distributed by the stand safer. It really did come down to some people shaking down a girl for no reason.

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Hakkekage wrote: »
CasedOut wrote: »
So I didn't really want to make a thread about this but felt the need to point it out, if someone else wants to make a thread about it thats cool. I just want to share.

bitch tried to salmonella me!

Who touched my ass?

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• EVERYBODY'S GOT A PRICE! Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Sorry man I got work here soon.

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
CasedOut wrote: »
So I didn't really want to make a thread about this but felt the need to point it out, if someone else wants to make a thread about it thats cool. I just want to share.

I would like to see a similar story written from the perspective of all the officials getting ready for their big day of shutting down lemonade stands.

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• Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
edited August 2010
unlicensed child vendor stands are the only way we can sell this lemonade to you for the bargain price of \$0.50 per plastic cuppie

Government regulation is the death of capitalism!

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
Gim wrote: »
CasedOut wrote: »
So I didn't really want to make a thread about this but felt the need to point it out, if someone else wants to make a thread about it thats cool. I just want to share.

I would like to see a similar story written from the perspective of all the officials getting ready for their big day of shutting down lemonade stands.

Man I'd do that job with a smile.

"No but I would like to shut down this illegal business operation YOU HORRIBLE PEOPLE OH MY GOD!"

Now I finally have a job for my loose cannon team of super detectives Jokerman and The Preach.

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
man what? Is this sarcasm?

I don't particularly see the controversy in that statement? The education, clothing, accent, language and ability to work within the system imbued in you since birth make even starting again from the bottom rung of the ladder significantly easier then otherwise, and other perception of you far better in miriad tiny ways.

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• Registered User regular
edited August 2010
today is awful

just fyi

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