[PROTOTYPE2]: Revenge is a Dish Best Served Cold - Old Klingon Proverb

Morninglord

Dey are also adding a button so you can quick switch two powers.
The example given was "launching someone into the air with hammerfist and then switching to blade to cut them up in the air".
Everybody stop constructing doomsday scenarios with limited information. It makes even less sense to do it about a game than it does to predicting the future generally.

amnesiasoft

Forever Zefiro wrote: »

Goddammit why do people think this is a Call of Duty thing

Because 1) Activision 2) They called them Perks 3) They seem to have become obscenely popular recently.

Morninglord wrote: »

Everybody stop constructing doomsday scenarios with limited information.

Oh, sorry, I keep forgetting this isn't the industry thread.

ghost_master2000

I thought the whole plotline of these games was essentially a doomsday scenario.

Galielmus

ghost_master2000 wrote: »

I thought the whole plotline of these games was essentially a doomsday scenario.

Im pretty sure the moral is actually "dont piss off a disease."

Silpheed

Are people in this thread actually complaining about being able to customize your powerset? Seriously!?

Morninglord

ghost_master2000 wrote: »

I thought the whole plotline of these games was essentially a doomsday scenario.

Yes but the person providing the doom is you. To other people.

I just think unnecessary stress is a waste of time. Pretty much everything I've seen so far has seemed pretty awesome except removing muscle mass and well they're adding something pretty damn cool in return. Musclemass was basically a throwback to the hulk and they really seem to want to focus on the biological weirdness of it all. Musclemass is cool but it's cool in a really generic way.

I just want more information. And some real gameplay not teasers. And the game.
Now.
In my ps3.
This is going to be a long wait....

Dragkonias

Silpheed wrote: »

Are people in this thread actually complaining about being able to customize your powerset? Seriously!?

I don't think they're complaining about being able to customize your powerset.

So much as they're complaining about your customization being called something similar to a customization option in another game.

Which is the silliest of goosery.

Forever Zefiro

Silpheed wrote: »

Are people in this thread actually complaining about being able to customize your powerset? Seriously!?

I know.

Oh no, they called them perks like in Call of Duty, even though that is a mulitplayer feature and a shooter and probably pretty different from Prototype

Man

Games let you do this all the time

Batman: AA let you upgrade abilities in different ways

Darksiders! You could put seals into your weapons to make them lifesteal, or give you more souls, or make them do more damage, or set enemies on fire. This was a Good Thing.

Morninglord

How do they work in Call of Duty? I haven't played any of that franchise. I strongly dislike "realistic" based shooters.
I'm just curious why it brought out a negative reaction.

I think this was inspired by the developers being avid game players and playing all the games that came out since and around the release of prototype, like the dev guy said in that interview. I mean he flat out listed all the games he thought had fantastic ideas he wanted to incorporate into the next one. I found that to be pretty cool of him.
So basically I think it's probably more inspired by darksiders style slot decisions than a fps.

Forever Zefiro

Perks in CoD do a bunch of different things, like give you more grenades, boost gun damage, give you more health, being able to see enemy mines, sprint faster, etc

I think people got a negative reaction because CoD is the popular and "mainstream" game all the bros play and we're too cool for it

But basically it's all just character customization, which is pretty much always good

Morninglord

Well the point about needing to pause is a good one if they're so valuable that you need to switch them out for certain enemies.
I just doubt they're going to be. I mean a bit of speed, some extra regeneration and some extra shockwaves?
those don't scream out "NEED FOR X DUDE" to me.
If there really is a speed increase I do not know if I will ever ever ever be able to take it off though.
I sure hope they don't remove any of the current speed and then try to add it in as a perk. I will be annoyed if they try this.
They aren't going to have enough buttons left on the controllers to do anything but a pause menu, I think.

Xenogear_0001

Swapping out powers is what killed Crysis for me. I really hope they don't go that route. There should be a baseline for 'nearly-omnipotent-freaky-mutant-killing-machine'.

Silpheed

I just think that getting your panties in a bunch over the term "perks" is pretty silly, considering that CoD is hardly the first game to ever use that term. Hell, if anything I'd say that it fits RPG's a lot better than the FPS genre.

Blackbird SR-71C

Morninglord wrote: »

Well the point about needing to pause is a good one if they're so valuable that you need to switch them out for certain enemies.
I just doubt they're going to be. I mean a bit of speed, some extra regeneration and some extra shockwaves?
those don't scream out "NEED FOR X DUDE" to me.
If there really is a speed increase I do not know if I will ever ever ever be able to take it off though.
I sure hope they don't remove any of the current speed and then try to add it in as a perk. I will be annoyed if they try this.
They aren't going to have enough buttons left on the controllers to do anything but a pause menu, I think.

Yes, good point. If at all there should be a speed-perk that increases your speed over the Prototype 1 limit or adds new abilities or attributes such as a new way of breaking a combo by dodging, or have the old dogde now work against something else, or a combination of any of those. That's what should make a sequel: Keep the good, well received content and build on it while removing the unnessecary and disliked.

Big Classy

They have a reason to slow the speed down from Prototype 1 though, which is what terrifies me. Since you're playing as a new guy who's just been infected, you could potentially have very little powers and speed.

Ofcourse the plot could go the other way and have it so that because Mercer infected and 'turned' Heller when he himself was fully powered up, Heller gets all the powers Mercer had.


Basically, what I've gathered from all my pondering is that I HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE.

ghost_master2000

Well, technically Mercer was never infected, so we don't know if the new guy is.

Big Classy

Pretty sure they've said numerous times that Mercer infects Heller after seeing how bad ass he is in a stand-off against the infected. I don't men he 'infects' him like the way the general populace are infected. More he turns him into something similar to himself.

I don't even care about the story. Just give me my damn slow-mo button.

Morninglord

Big Isy wrote: »

They have a reason to slow the speed down from Prototype 1 though, which is what terrifies me. Since you're playing as a new guy who's just been infected, you could potentially have very little powers and speed.

Ofcourse the plot could go the other way and have it so that because Mercer infected and 'turned' Heller when he himself was fully powered up, Heller gets all the powers Mercer had.


Basically, what I've gathered from all my pondering is that I HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE.

Power creep over the course of the game isn't the issue.
It's top speed maxed out I care about.

Big Classy

You mean endgame? There's definitely gotta be a big speed boost over the first game at the end of the second. Or atleast match it.

Kadoken

I wonder why (and let me start by saying I have never been to NY, my only knowledge of the place is some names and GTA4 similarities to it. Nor have I played the game, but I've seen some playthroughs, Morninglords in particular) you couldn't go to queens or that other island. Is the statue of liberty even in Prototype?

Morninglord

Nope.
Story wise they sealed off the island. If you go too far out into the water in a helicopter you get blown out of the sky by missiles fired from ships stationed off manhatten. first shot takes out the helicopter, second shot knocks you to emergency health, last shot kills you.
You can actually hammertoss onto the deck of the carrier stationed off of manhatten but you land there dead.

If you try to go out via bridges you get artillery strikes on the bridge around you. (if you somehow manage to get through that you reach a dead end.)

Quarantine, basically.

Big Isy wrote: »

You mean endgame? There's definitely gotta be a big speed boost over the first game at the end of the second. Or atleast match it.

I dunno man. If heller is significantly faster than mercer itll be too hard to control him.
I just want a bit of a boost.

Morkath

I forget, was there a reason you couldn't just swim away? With all the shit he could do, you would think breathing water/holding breathe for a long time wouldn't be a big deal.

Vic

Morkath wrote: »

I forget, was there a reason you couldn't just swim away? With all the shit he could do, you would think breathing water/holding breathe for a long time wouldn't be a big deal.

Considering the blood tox missions it seems that one of the few abilities Mercer lacks is holding his breath. When Prototype Online the MMO comes out there will be an underwater kraken form though.

Catalase

Someone needs to email the devs and show them Morninglord. Because he's unbelievable.

Green

Morkath wrote: »

I forget, was there a reason you couldn't just swim away? With all the shit he could do, you would think breathing water/holding breathe for a long time wouldn't be a big deal.

One of the WoI movies mentions that the virus can't cross large bodies of water and that's pretty much all the mention it gets

Also I don't think Mercer needs to breathe at all, really

Morninglord

Some interesting stuff in these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jwdD211Kqs

And here too. Some repetition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9i9T193LZU&feature=related

I am liking the sound of Heller's character.
A lot.

Mercer was such an emo.

CaptainNemo

We should get a new title, as this one bugs me. Let me know if you have any ideas for a good one.

Monthenor

CaptainNemo wrote: »

We should get a new title, as this one bugs me. Let me know if you have any ideas for a good one.

"Now in Beta"

Mego Thor

"He's a former bioweapon engineer. He's a Blacklight-infected Marine. They fight crime!"

Cause they've got to team up at the end.

Big Classy

Super secret co-op unlock!


And now I've set myself up for a horrible fall.

Morninglord

They're already said they're only working on singleplayer.

Big Classy

Sure they are *nudge*nudge*wink*wink*

Morninglord

Geez why don't you just start cutting yourself if you wanna hurt yourself that much.
I prefer to expect nothing then everything is a surprise.

Lalabox

The only thing that I didn't like from those interviews is the fact that Heller is hunting Mercer because he believes he is the absolute cause of everything that happened. They are pretty much admitting that the first part of the game will be hunting mercer, and then you'll team up on gentek, which means you won't be able to fight him at full power.

Unless

Spoiler:

Heller finds out about Penn station. But that still leaves room for Mercer to be all 'It's gentek and blackwatch who are evil, not me'

Xenogear_0001

Frankly--from a purely human perspective--Mercer, Heller, Gentek and Blackwatch would all need to be wiped out/dismantled for there to be anything resembling a happy ending.

We're totally not getting a happy ending.

Morninglord

Lalabox wrote: »

The only thing that I didn't like from those interviews is the fact that Heller is hunting Mercer because he believes he is the absolute cause of everything that happened. They are pretty much admitting that the first part of the game will be hunting mercer, and then you'll team up on gentek, which means you won't be able to fight him at full power.

Unless

Spoiler:

Heller finds out about Penn station. But that still leaves room for Mercer to be all 'It's gentek and blackwatch who are evil, not me'

You've lost me.

Xenogear_0001

I think Lala is suggesting that if Heller were to discover that Mercer was the one who dropped the virus in Penn station, after having teamed up with him, Heller would be itching to fight again. That is, until Mercer let him know that it was the real Mercer that did it, and that he's just a byproduct of that event, and Gentek and Blackwatch are totally the evil ones. I think.

Fiaryn

I really doubt Mercer is going to ever be on our side in this game, given how in the recent EGM Magazine the interviewed developers made a point of comparing the Mercer/Heller relationship to Cloud/Sephiroth (ugh). In the sense that, at first you're controlling Mercer/Sephiroth and you're like "Damn this guy is a stone cold badass who wrecks shit e'ery day" and then it progresses to "Ohgod the insanely powerful guy is now insane and evil".

In short they believe Prototype 1 helps the player appreciate the gravity of the threat Mercer poses. I think he's gone villain full stock.

Xenogear_0001

Meh, I liked Mercer better when he had some shred of humanity/decency about him. Having him go total evil seems like a ret-con. What's his motivation? I suppose I don't know enough about what they have planned, but this strikes me as lazy.

Morkath

Green wrote: »

Morkath wrote: »

I forget, was there a reason you couldn't just swim away? With all the shit he could do, you would think breathing water/holding breathe for a long time wouldn't be a big deal.

One of the WoI movies mentions that the virus can't cross large bodies of water and that's pretty much all the mention it gets

Also I don't think Mercer needs to breathe at all, really

Hmm, make a boat out of corpses imo.

The trick would be making enough decoy corpseboats that they can't destroy them all.