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COLLEGE FOOTBALL 2010: Auburn 22, Oregon 19. Now begins the long, long offseason

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  • Goose!Goose! Haven't played Fallout much tbh... I've played Borderlands. That count?Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Too bad the Pac 10 is awful beyond 2-3 teams. Would have loved to see TCU-Auburn

  • ZoelZoel Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Zoel wrote: »
    I will root against UGA under any circumstances. With most teams it's like "Oh I don't like you we have a rivalry haha let's all drink together"

    I've never met a Georgia fan I didn't actively hate. I know there must be some UGA fans that aren't terrible, shitty people who deserve to be summarily executed, but I haven't met any of them.

    Like an unfortunately large number of Georgia Tech alumni, you've never met a Georgia Fan you didn't actively hate because everyone who is even semi-likable is over 50 and has grown out of the phase where they do things like spit in your face because you're wearing a blue shirt...but only when they're already surrounded by 25 of their friends so they're sure there will be no consequences.

    fixed that for ya killer. classy people!

    No, see, this is why people don't like you. This post. It is because it is completely impossible to talk with certain Georgia Tech fans, like yourself, under any circumstances,

    once they find out what school you went to.

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  • thanimationsthanimations Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    You do realize that weight isn't the only thing that matters in football, right? I mean, we can tack up Auburn's win to time of possession, since they were able to keep Oregon's offense off the field for long stretches of time. Or that Auburn had a month and a half to scheme against that offense. Or that Auburn kept Oregon to only 75 yards rushing not just because of their lineman, but also because of the linebacking play.

    Or we can talk about weight weight weight.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    could've played that game on god's grass and it wouldn't have made a difference. not when a true freshman corey lemonier who only weighs 240 pounds is blowing your senior offensive tackle off the ball at the goal line. and then the whole nick fairley issue.

    hey that wasn't to bemoan the efficacy of the gimmick plays. just merely point out that the chance of those plays consistently working is way, way lower than auburn's simple off tackle 34 gaining 6 yards every carry.

    I don't disagree on the trick plays but god damn if they didn't pull off two successful fakes on special teams and two god damn perfect throwbacks. Dangerous but perfectly executed; sign of a well-coached team.
    You do realize that weight isn't the only thing that matters in football, right? I mean, we can tack up Auburn's win to time of possession, since they were able to keep Oregon's offense off the field for long stretches of time. Or that Auburn had a month and a half to scheme against that offense. Or that Auburn kept Oregon to only 75 yards rushing not just because of their lineman, but also because of the linebacking play.

    Or we can talk about weight weight weight.

    They kept Oregon's offense off the field because their o-line was twice the size and they couldn't tackle Cam Newton. Oregon was held to 75 yards because they couldn't run in between the tackles. The weight issue can be overstated at times but in this case it was pivotal. It's football, size matters.

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  • ZoelZoel Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    jesus christ secsecsecsec people are intolerable rubes

    I know, right?

    I dunno, the SEC is pretty good though, but how much of that is just because the SEC is good in the first place, so they consistently get their first pick of talent in a recursive cycle?

  • TallaclasseeTallaclassee you ever seen a lion limber up before it takes down a gazelleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    yes i do, otherwise the big 10 with its 330 pounders ubiquitously wouldn't get blown out by the sec every single year. it's not just weight, it's weight and the ability to explode with speed.

    how do you dominate time of possession? by your offensive line dominating the los. how do you hold a team to 75 yards rushing? by dominating the los.

    2006, UF holds ohio state to 72 total yards because of its 3 first round defensive linemen
    2007, LSU does the same thing
    2008, UF shuts down oklahoma on the goal line and blows their DL out of the water with a power running game masqueraded as a spread
    2009, exact same thing with alabama. dareus demolishes a pass-blocking offensive line at texas and alabama's offensive line grades texas' undersized DL
    2010, auburn averages 8 a carry with power football, destroys the line of scrimmage.

    football is won in the trenches. this is a universal truth that is taught from anklebiters to the nfl. more tackles (offensive and defensive) populate the first round of the nfl draft than any other position aside from quarterback every single year.

    give me a weak defensive line and great linebackers and all you have are blocked linebackers. give me a strong defensive line and weak linebackers and the ball carrier doesn't reach the linebackers. the qb is sacked before the linebackers can make a tackle on the receiver.

  • thanimationsthanimations Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Butters wrote: »
    could've played that game on god's grass and it wouldn't have made a difference. not when a true freshman corey lemonier who only weighs 240 pounds is blowing your senior offensive tackle off the ball at the goal line. and then the whole nick fairley issue.

    hey that wasn't to bemoan the efficacy of the gimmick plays. just merely point out that the chance of those plays consistently working is way, way lower than auburn's simple off tackle 34 gaining 6 yards every carry.

    I don't disagree on the trick plays but god damn if they didn't pull off two successful fakes on special teams and two god damn perfect throwbacks. Dangerous but perfectly executed; sign of a well-coached team.
    You do realize that weight isn't the only thing that matters in football, right? I mean, we can tack up Auburn's win to time of possession, since they were able to keep Oregon's offense off the field for long stretches of time. Or that Auburn had a month and a half to scheme against that offense. Or that Auburn kept Oregon to only 75 yards rushing not just because of their lineman, but also because of the linebacking play.

    Or we can talk about weight weight weight.

    They kept Oregon's offense off the field because their o-line was twice the size and they couldn't tackle Cam Newton. Oregon was held to 75 yards because they couldn't run in between the tackles. The weight issue can be overstated at times but in this case it was pivotal. It's football, size matters.

    It's certainly part of the equation, and maybe even a big part. But that guy is using it for everything, when there were a lot of factors going on. Auburn simply was the better team, and part of that was size. Part of it was their big guys are also extremely skilled, not just fat.

  • TallaclasseeTallaclassee you ever seen a lion limber up before it takes down a gazelleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    look, im not saying it's the only thing you ever need to consider in football. but what i am saying is that talent on the OL and DL will have the biggest percentage to impact every single play in the game. thus, it's the most contributing factor.

    point out a team that has won a national championship without great players in the trenches. i can do it for every single other position. terrible secondary? auburn '10 was like 110th in the country in passing defense. etc.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2011
    Butters wrote: »
    could've played that game on god's grass and it wouldn't have made a difference. not when a true freshman corey lemonier who only weighs 240 pounds is blowing your senior offensive tackle off the ball at the goal line. and then the whole nick fairley issue.

    hey that wasn't to bemoan the efficacy of the gimmick plays. just merely point out that the chance of those plays consistently working is way, way lower than auburn's simple off tackle 34 gaining 6 yards every carry.

    I don't disagree on the trick plays but god damn if they didn't pull off two successful fakes on special teams and two god damn perfect throwbacks. Dangerous but perfectly executed; sign of a well-coached team.
    You do realize that weight isn't the only thing that matters in football, right? I mean, we can tack up Auburn's win to time of possession, since they were able to keep Oregon's offense off the field for long stretches of time. Or that Auburn had a month and a half to scheme against that offense. Or that Auburn kept Oregon to only 75 yards rushing not just because of their lineman, but also because of the linebacking play.

    Or we can talk about weight weight weight.

    They kept Oregon's offense off the field because their o-line was twice the size and they couldn't tackle Cam Newton. Oregon was held to 75 yards because they couldn't run in between the tackles. The weight issue can be overstated at times but in this case it was pivotal. It's football, size matters.

    And thanks to Nick Fairly, Auburn had the biggest dick on the field.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2011
    look, im not saying it's the only thing you ever need to consider in football. but what i am saying is that talent on the OL and DL will have the biggest percentage to impact every single play in the game. thus, it's the most contributing factor.

    point out a team that has won a national championship without great players in the trenches. i can do it for every single other position. terrible secondary? auburn '10 was like 110th in the country in passing defense. etc.

    Which is astounding considering how often Oregon tried to run the football.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Oregon's most dynamic player is a running back and you can't expect an option offense to abandon their strengths in a close game.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2011
    Screen passes were working real well for them to start the game. Their running game was just stagnant most of the game.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Inside screens only work on blitzes and you gotta run plays that encourage blitzing here and there.

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  • TallaclasseeTallaclassee you ever seen a lion limber up before it takes down a gazelleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    true enough.

    also their passing concepts are extremely elementary because you cant install complex passing concepts into an offense that runs at the pace that oregon ran. the qb and wr's brains would simply melt trying to make complex reads at such a speed.

    some talking head mentioned it earlier in the season and it reared its head last night. if oregon doesn't stay ahead of the chains with their option running / screen game and doesn't get the defense on their heels with the pace, they simply don't have a developed-enough passing game to convert long down and distances.

    that and fairley's hang-low didn't give them a chance to try anyway.

  • Goose!Goose! Haven't played Fallout much tbh... I've played Borderlands. That count?Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Funny how Madden, nor NCAA 11 can never emulate that whole "adjustments" part of the game.

    I started playing NCAA 11 again recently. I literally run the same exact play and get 10 yards+ every time. 2 TE bunched left counter run set up to the right, motion WR on the left to the right side of the line, send the counter to the left, snap as soon as WR gets behind the RT, enjoy your first down.

  • ASimPersonASimPerson And protect them from the evils of the world like trigonometry and prime numbers.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Yeah, I thought Oregon could eventually go outside and throw over Auburn enough times to make them respect the run game.

    I severely underestimated how dominant Auburn's defensive line would be, though. They did try to make it up through the air, which worked to some extent, but they still looked really awkward trying to pass (see the number of times Thomas and his receivers didn't agree on the route).

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I don't know if they didn't agree on routes. Thomas' knee-jerk reaction to inside pressure seem to be "AHHH THROW BALL NOW!" On the second pick he should have just taken the sack. There was no way his targeted receiver would have been ready.

    Certainly don't mean to put the whole game on his shoulders but Thomas blew a couple option reads as well.

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  • NiryaNirya THE NEXT STAGE IN E-BO-LUTIONRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thomas is only a redshirt sophmore, and this was his first year starting. The closest to a game on this level that he played in was the Stanford game, and that was at home. I'd say jitters had as much to do with Thomas's poor play in the first half as anything.

    Also, I'm going to assume most people haven't watched Oregon most of the year, because they do have a very good vertical passing game. I was surprised they didn't go to it more considering how weak Auburn's secondary was supposed to be.

  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It's hard to step into a deep throw when an Auburn DT plows over your center.

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  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I got the shotgun, you got the briefcase It's all in the game though, right?Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2011
    Brady Hoke is the new head coach at Michigan.

  • TallaclasseeTallaclassee you ever seen a lion limber up before it takes down a gazelleRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Nirya wrote: »
    Thomas is only a redshirt sophmore, and this was his first year starting. The closest to a game on this level that he played in was the Stanford game, and that was at home. I'd say jitters had as much to do with Thomas's poor play in the first half as anything.

    Also, I'm going to assume most people haven't watched Oregon most of the year, because they do have a very good vertical passing game. I was surprised they didn't go to it more considering how weak Auburn's secondary was supposed to be.

    a vertical passing game =/= complex passing concepts though. oregon did throw the ball down field quite a lot this year, but it was always dependent on the defense being out of position, gassed, or biting on option looks and double moves

    when its 3rd and 12 you have to teach receivers how to read coverages and stem their routes. you have to teach the qb how to do the same thing and you need to develop a synergy and cohesion between the two units.

    this is an extremely time consuming process to develop and oregon decided to spend its energies elsewhere: on developing the fastest and best option attack in the country. unfortunately that was shut down and they didn't have anything to go back on.

    football is the ultimate game of give and take. you can never have it both ways.

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