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Presidential Address on Iraq (Discussion Phase)

Lady EriLady Eri Registered User
edited September 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
Combat operations in Iraq end today and the President talks. So for those planning on following the address, I thought we could do some commentary (like the good old primary days) in here. Also this would be the chance he has to turn shit around with the polling and rev up the base. I hope he pulls it off.

5pm Pacific
8pm Eastern

CNN: http://live.cnn.com/

If you have a better stream let me know.

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User
    edited August 2010
    Heathens.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2010
    I am going to try and watch it. I haven't missed many president speeches since late 1999.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Yep this is an address.

    Quid on
  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Listening now on npr, just a radio feed if that is what you want. They usually have good /coherent discussion after such things.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2010
    cnn.com stream has no audio for me. the hell?

    edit: youtube stream has audio and is working for me

    http://www.youtube.com/whitehouse?feature=ticker

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    At work, otherwise I'd be listening to this. I assume it'll be availible for viewing once I'm home grilling a delicious bacon+bbq burger.

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  • pablo_pricepablo_price Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    cnn.com stream has no audio for me. the hell?

    same here - listening to the npr feed instead

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Pokemon Champion (retired) Ann ArborRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    PROPOSE SOMETHING

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava If I confuse you, I blame the infant sleep-deprived new mommyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    just turned him on on msnbc. not the feed, but the tv.

    and the first things I noticed is the pictures behind him.

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  • MplsOsirisMplsOsiris Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    just turned him on on msnbc. not the feed, but the tv.

    and the first things I noticed is the pictures behind him.

    That was the first thing I noticed too. I actually think this speech was a good idea, and I for one am glad he gave it.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Was there a rebuttal? Because if there was, ABC didn't show it.

    Which was the best possible outcome for Obama. He gets to say something without anybody wailing and rending garments about some kind of shit afterwards.

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    No rebuttal so far.

    Sad thing is that so much is going on in the 24/7 news that this will be forgotten in about a week.

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  • N1tSt4lkerN1tSt4lker Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I thought it was very thoughtful and classy, overall. A good closure.

    I noticed the pictures, too. They made me smile.

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Any screencaps yet? I was on radio so i have zero idea what you are talking about... n cnn.com makes it really blurry for me for some reason.

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  • Lady EriLady Eri Registered User
    edited September 2010
    Barcardi wrote: »
    Any screencaps yet? I was on radio so i have zero idea what you are talking about.

    He had pictures of Snooki and Sookie on his desk.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    He was sitting at his desk and behind him there were pictures of him with his family, getting married, etc.

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  • BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Ah, i was picturing some random troops or something.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava If I confuse you, I blame the infant sleep-deprived new mommyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    nah, a picture with the four of them, one of the two girls, and then a wedding picture.

    But they were... quite prominently displayed. you couldn't help but see the pictures and smile.

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  • SurikoSuriko AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Gosling wrote: »
    Was there a rebuttal? Because if there was, ABC didn't show it.

    Which was the best possible outcome for Obama. He gets to say something without anybody wailing and rending garments about some kind of shit afterwards.

    There was a "prebuttal". That's the GOP's wording, by the way.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/31/boehner.speech/index.html

    "It worked!

    Uh... all thanks to us, though!"

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I missed most it because I was focused on writing database code. D:

    Is there a good summary somewhere?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Pokemon Champion (retired) Ann ArborRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Troops good, Iraq war over, Afghanistan war still vital, we need to unite to save economy.

    That was the basic gist.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Suriko wrote: »
    Gosling wrote: »
    Was there a rebuttal? Because if there was, ABC didn't show it.

    Which was the best possible outcome for Obama. He gets to say something without anybody wailing and rending garments about some kind of shit afterwards.

    There was a "prebuttal". That's the GOP's wording, by the way.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/31/boehner.speech/index.html

    "It worked!

    Uh... all thanks to us, though!"

    If I were the Republicans I would pretend as hard as I could that Iraq doesn't exist. It works for them with global warming.

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  • MplsOsirisMplsOsiris Registered User regular
    edited September 2010

    If I were the Republicans I would pretend as hard as I could that Iraq doesn't exist. It works for them with global warming/the poor/sex education.

    Fixed.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Suriko wrote: »
    Gosling wrote: »
    Was there a rebuttal? Because if there was, ABC didn't show it.

    Which was the best possible outcome for Obama. He gets to say something without anybody wailing and rending garments about some kind of shit afterwards.

    There was a "prebuttal". That's the GOP's wording, by the way.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/31/boehner.speech/index.html

    "It worked!

    Uh... all thanks to us, though!"

    We already all know the answer, and it's certainly nothing new, but does absolutely everything have to have political hackery thrown into the mix in the US? Does the opposition party have to be confrontational on every single thing?

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Suriko wrote: »
    Gosling wrote: »
    Was there a rebuttal? Because if there was, ABC didn't show it.

    Which was the best possible outcome for Obama. He gets to say something without anybody wailing and rending garments about some kind of shit afterwards.

    There was a "prebuttal". That's the GOP's wording, by the way.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/31/boehner.speech/index.html

    "It worked!

    Uh... all thanks to us, though!"

    We already all know the answer, and it's certainly nothing new, but does absolutely everything have to have political hackery thrown into the mix in the US? Does the opposition party have to be confrontational on every single thing?

    Mix a poorly educated, heavily jingoistic segment of the populace with political games, and this is what you get. Maybe they decided it was a bad idea at some point, but it's too late to change message now.

    Our media is pretty bad too. They treat all views as equally meritorious, then cut to drug ads, political attack ads, and the odd manipulative PSA. That's pretty much our system.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Does the opposition party have to be confrontational on every single thing?
    Yes.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    Does the opposition party have to be confrontational on every single thing?
    Yes.

    At least when they are Republicans. Democrats must always be spineless wimps.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited September 2010
    nah, a picture with the four of them, one of the two girls, and then a wedding picture.

    But they were... quite prominently displayed. you couldn't help but see the pictures and smile.

    i thought the one on the right (his left) was the famous photo of him as a boy with his father

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    This is the issue that should be pressed AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN to rev up the base. Obama is cleaning up the GOP's greatest mess, and everyone needs to see that effort. The public and the base need to be reminded of this over and over.

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  • deowolfdeowolf Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Irond Will wrote: »
    nah, a picture with the four of them, one of the two girls, and then a wedding picture.

    But they were... quite prominently displayed. you couldn't help but see the pictures and smile.

    i thought the one on the right (his left) was the famous photo of him as a boy with his father

    In the madrassa? Learning terror?

    It was, well, it was. I was left a little empty by it. I'm not saying I expected him to come charging out of the gate, all "there, I finished what you guys fucked up - you're welcome" but it seemed a little shy on the 'mistakes were made,' little heavy on the 'can we just move on now?'

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Pokemon Champion (retired) Ann ArborRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    This is the issue that should be pressed AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN to rev up the base. Obama is cleaning up the GOP's greatest mess, and everyone needs to see that effort. The public and the base need to be reminded of this over and over.

    They'll bitch about Afghanistan.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited September 2010
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    This is the issue that should be pressed AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN to rev up the base. Obama is cleaning up the GOP's greatest mess, and everyone needs to see that effort. The public and the base need to be reminded of this over and over.

    i dunno

    the right is convinced that he didn't clean it up fast enough or well enough or cheaply enough or didn't have enough of a huge victory

    and a lot of the left is pissed that he didn't pull out right away and also bring up bush on like war crime charges

    there's a lot of bullshit out there and it seems not a lot of reward for doing his job responsibly

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    This is the issue that should be pressed AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN to rev up the base. Obama is cleaning up the GOP's greatest mess, and everyone needs to see that effort. The public and the base need to be reminded of this over and over.

    They'll bitch about Afghanistan.

    Then the GOP should be reminded that that was their war to win. And that Osama bin Ladin was their criminal to lose. And press that again and again and again. And you won't have to worry about the media not reporting it because The President will be saying it on national television. Let the Jindal's and the Krauthammers respond, and make themselves look foolish just as they did back during the election. Make voters remember why they put this man into office in the first place. I'm sick and tired of not hitting back against these fools with their own abdominal records on just about everything.

    As for everyone else pissing and moaning, well:
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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Pokemon Champion (retired) Ann ArborRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    The better idea would be to propose some job creation programs and make the Republicans come up with an economic agenda. The way things are going 2012 is going to be... interesting.

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  • MplsOsirisMplsOsiris Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    The better idea would be to propose some job creation programs and make the Republicans come up with an economic agenda. The way things are going 2012 is going to be... interesting.

    I'm seriously hoping for a Palin ticket. Oh god, I would donate so much money to her primary campaign.

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  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    I'm sick and tired of not hitting back against these fools with their own abdominal records on just about everything.

    Yeah. Their record is pretty shitty.

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  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    This is the issue that should be pressed AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN to rev up the base. Obama is cleaning up the GOP's greatest mess, and everyone needs to see that effort. The public and the base need to be reminded of this over and over.

    They'll bitch about Afghanistan.

    Then the GOP should be reminded that that was their war to win. And that Osama bin Ladin was their criminal to lose. And press that again and again and again. And you won't have to worry about the media not reporting it because The President will be saying it on national television. Let the Jindal's and the Krauthammers respond, and make themselves look foolish just as they did back during the election. Make voters remember why they put this man into office in the first place. I'm sick and tired of not hitting back against these fools with their own abdominal records on just about everything.

    As for everyone else pissing and moaning, well:
    Funny_Pictures_7765.jpg


    Obama tried to ask republicans for ideas for health care and that didnt help him at all. They brought nothing to the table, at all, and it changed no minds, even as him and other dems proposed a half dozen new ideas

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  • GothicLargoGothicLargo Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    deowolf wrote: »
    It was, well, it was. I was left a little empty by it. I'm not saying I expected him to come charging out of the gate, all "there, I finished what you guys fucked up - you're welcome" but it seemed a little shy on the 'mistakes were made,' little heavy on the 'can we just move on now?'

    Thirty years from now people will be comparing Obama to Gerald Ford for not attempting to use the office to investigate and punish the actions of his predecessor.

    "It could go on and on and on, or someone must write the end to it. I have concluded that only I can do that, and if I can, I must."
    -President Gerald Ford, televised address, 9/8/1974

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I would have watched this but I forgot about it until I got a text message from Obama.

    At 9:30pm EST, well after the speech.

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  • BullioBullio Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Saw this come across the twitter feed this morning. I agree with the general sentiment.

    In honor of combat operations coming to an end, I think it's important to reflect on why we went in the first place.

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