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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Bro!Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    stilist wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    There were a number of them. I wore flannel and listened to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. So Grunge would be close. It was mopey and terrible, but it wasn't fixated on the fetishization of what came before.

    so slackers

    That was a slightly different subculture. And one that is pretty heavily linked to the explosion of indie films because of camcorders.
    Wait did flannel use to be a grunge thing

    what is it now?

    Now it's something slightly odd to find in someone's closet.
    shocking news, someone who is now in his 30s resents the culture of early 20 somethings

    more after the commercial break

    More like disappointment. But this isn't simply a matter of the old hating the young. The question is, what will be the long lasting cultural impact of the hipsters. And from an objective point of view, I don't see one other then the next generation rejecting them.

  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    MikeMan wrote: »
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    MikeMan wrote: »
    yeah when you define a hipster as someone who doesn't produce anything of value"

    where did anyone say this?
    thom

    he said hipsters were people who appropriated other movements without adding anything of their own

    and then said they produced nothing of value

    well if they're defined as a group that does not contribute culturally, then no shit sherlock, that group is not going to produce anything of value

    hey check this out

    I bet if you actually asked thom he might be able to provide a more elaborate definition

    but then of course you couldn't accuse him of tautology
    sorry for responding to, you know, the posts he wrote?

    but that's a great idea

    okay, thom! please to be giving me a definition of a hipster that doesn't include not producing anything original

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.

    indeed this is all quite loathsome

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  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Just for reference (actually just to get the fuck away from this debate).

    This is Jessica Chobot:

    NSFW: http://babesmedia.entertainment.ign.com/babes/image/article/705/705343/preacher-teacher-vol-9-20060505024729428.jpg

    This is Alison Haislip:

    NSFW: http://i43.tinypic.com/wveozn.jpg

    This is Carrie Keegan:

    http://files.g4tv.com/rimg_606x0/ImageDb3/247475_l/.JPG

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  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I'm sorry Thom, Jkosh is right. I am being a little cagey.

    Sorry dude, feel free not to respond to my post.

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  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong Don't treat me like potato. Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Ongoing trainwreck aside, does anyone else think that Microsoft's "new" 360 controller is stupid?

    Why did they make the buttons all different shades of grey? Is usability the first casualty in the war on color?

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  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Is Katy Perry hipster music? I thought it was just bad music.

    I dunno they refer to her boobs as 'hipster boobs' though so I assumed the rest of her was.

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  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Kagera wrote: »
    Just for reference (actually just to get the fuck away from this debate).

    This is Jessica Chobot:

    NSFW: http://babesmedia.entertainment.ign.com/babes/image/article/705/705343/preacher-teacher-vol-9-20060505024729428.jpg

    This is Alison Haislip:

    NSFW: http://i43.tinypic.com/wveozn.jpg

    This is Carrie Keegan:

    http://files.g4tv.com/rimg_606x0/ImageDb3/247475_l/.JPG

    I like first and third.

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  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
    But Eddy we all do this, all the time, every time we dress ourselves.

    We deliberately choose clothes that blatantly make the statement "I am a white middle class 20 something who does not wish to stand out in any particular way but chooses to look clean and sharp."

    Your argument could be leveled against the way you dress just as easily as you're leveling it against the "hipsters."

    And as to your point about the code being strict, that's just demonstrably false. As with all trendy subculture movements with fashion components, the styles vary place to place and year to year.

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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    stilist wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    There were a number of them. I wore flannel and listened to Pearl Jam and Nirvana. So Grunge would be close. It was mopey and terrible, but it wasn't fixated on the fetishization of what came before.

    so slackers

    That was a slightly different subculture. And one that is pretty heavily linked to the explosion of indie films because of camcorders.
    Wait did flannel use to be a grunge thing

    what is it now?

    Now it's something slightly odd to find in someone's closet.
    shocking news, someone who is now in his 30s resents the culture of early 20 somethings

    more after the commercial break

    More like disappointment. But this isn't simply a matter of the old hating the young. The question is, what will be the long lasting cultural impact of the hipsters. And from an objective point of view, I don't see one other then the next generation rejecting them.

    I'm not trying to be a douche at all, but is it really fair to debate this (just as we all are) and then call your point of view "objective"?

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  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    also i take full credit for the hipster war currently waging

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  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    if a culture is more influential, does that make it a 'better' culture?

  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    MikeMan wrote: »
    also i take full credit for the hipster war currently waging

    Mike make a cultural contribution to this chat or we're all fucked.

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  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    i'm preserving hipsterism for the next generation

    a scarf for all of my ironically birthed children

  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    MikeMan wrote: »
    also i take full credit for the hipster war currently waging

    Mike make a cultural contribution to this chat or we're all fucked.
    uhhhh


    shit

    uhhhh

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkPWMaNaIM

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  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    oh my god

    was that entire premise created just because someone was bad at rhyming?

  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    MikeMan wrote: »
    the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
    But Eddy we all do this, all the time, every time we dress ourselves.

    We deliberately choose clothes that blatantly make the statement "I am a white middle class 20 something who does not wish to stand out in any particular way but chooses to look clean and sharp."

    Your argument could be leveled against the way you dress just as easily as you're leveling it against the "hipsters."

    And as to your point about the code being strict, that's just demonstrably false. As with all trendy subculture movements with fashion components, the styles vary place to place and year to year.

    A hipster outfit is a costume, the way I dress myself isn't. Why do you wear the clothes you wear? probably they're comfortable and/or you like the way they look.

    I have a hard time believing that hipsters all find glasses without lenses in them fashionable and awesome. It's part of a uniform. the question isn't "do I look good?" it's "do I look like the particular group of people that I am trying to emulate?"

    I mean most hipster fashion isn't even flattering!

  • ResRes __BANNED USERS
    edited September 2010
    MikeMan wrote: »
    shocking news, someone who is now in his 30s resents the culture of early 20 somethings

    more after the commercial break

    I'm actually pretty insulted that you define hipsters as "early 20 somethings"

    By your definition I'm going to be a hipster this time next year

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  • JokermanJokerman Mr Jellybean Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Hipster [chat]!

    I feel fantastic!

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited September 2010
    MikeMan wrote: »
    okay, thom! please to be giving me a definition of a hipster that doesn't include not producing anything original

    I'll field this one

    I can't remember which it was, but either that Adbusters article I linked to, or a piece in Time Out New York that wiki had, described what I thought of as an illustrative example: kids buying fixie bikes and then paying to have brakes and gears added on the aftermarket.

    What I define as hipster is the deeply-felt pursuit of the outward appearance of authenticity. Authenticity can mean many things, from appearing to be of a certain class or background, to the adoption of signifiers announcing that one is part of a subculture that one may or may not actually be a part of. Eighteen-year-old kids wearing 8-bit Mario t-shirts, for instance - or, when I was a kid, guys my age wearing distressed Quisp cereal tees and track jackets like they'd stepped out of 1976.

    This can be angering for members of the actual subculture that's being appropriated. And it can be problematic because the unprecedented speed with which these fashions change means that entire movements are devoured down to their constituent semotics, absorbed by the overmind, and spat back out as American Apparel catalogs with lightning speed. So while subcultures in the past got to incubate for years or even decades before bursting out into the mainstream, stuff that hasn't really even had a fair chance to develop is commercialized, bulldozed, and eventually abandoned.

  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Ongoing trainwreck aside, does anyone else think that Microsoft's "new" 360 controller is stupid?

    Why did they make the buttons all different shades of grey? Is usability the first casualty in the war on color?

    Yeah, DK, I agree completely.

    My roommate was trying to play Halo yesterday and she said "how do I switch guns?", to which I replied "yellow".

    I can't imagine having to say "slightly less gray but not as gray as that the other gray one."

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Bro!Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    MikeMan wrote: »
    sorry for responding to, you know, the posts he wrote?

    but that's a great idea

    okay, thom! please to be giving me a definition of a hipster that doesn't include not producing anything original

    It's a subculture that builds it's identity on a perceived purity of culture. It takes elements of mass media and fetishizes the "coolness" of them. You can ad in the standard stuff for any youth culture here such as the attempt to maintain an air of rebellion while conforming to a general set of behaviors, etc. It's shallow, but a one sentence description of any culture is going to be.
    I'm sorry Thom, Jkosh is right. I am being a little cagey.

    Sorry dude, feel free not to respond to my post.

    As their king, it's expected that you might be defensive. <img class=" title=":mrgreen:" class="bbcode_smiley" />

    And I don't hate hipsters. I do find hipster culture to be shallow and vapid. But I don't hate it. I save hate for things I really want to remove from the world and that's a pretty damn small list.

  • ResRes __BANNED USERS
    edited September 2010
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Wait did flannel use to be a grunge thing

    what is it now?

    Now it's something slightly odd to find in someone's closet.

    :(

    I think when I get out of here, I need to take, like, a class on how to dress

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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    MikeMan wrote: »
    the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
    But Eddy we all do this, all the time, every time we dress ourselves.

    We deliberately choose clothes that blatantly make the statement "I am a white middle class 20 something who does not wish to stand out in any particular way but chooses to look clean and sharp."

    Your argument could be leveled against the way you dress just as easily as you're leveling it against the "hipsters."

    And as to your point about the code being strict, that's just demonstrably false. As with all trendy subculture movements with fashion components, the styles vary place to place and year to year.

    A hipster outfit is a costume, the way I dress myself isn't. Why do you wear the clothes you wear? probably they're comfortable and/or you like the way they look.

    I have a hard time believing that hipsters all find glasses without lenses in them fashionable and awesome. It's part of a uniform. the question isn't "do I look good?" it's "do I look like the particular group of people that I am trying to emulate?"

    I mean most hipster fashion isn't even flattering!

    The argument you're making here is that because you don't like the way skinny jeans and v-neck tshirts look or feel, that anyone who feels differently must only be wearing them to be accepted. I wore a pair of fitted jeans today ("skinny" is kind of a dumb term for them I feel) and I find them incredibly comfortable and I like the way I look in them.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Bro!Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Res wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Wait did flannel use to be a grunge thing

    what is it now?

    Now it's something slightly odd to find in someone's closet.

    :(

    I think when I get out of here, I need to take, like, a class on how to dress

    If it makes you feel better, I still have some flannel in my closet. Although I only wear it if I'm going to be camping, which is pretty rare.

  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    but then again, by definition of the hipster paradox, I am not a hipster because I admit that I am a hipster.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited September 2010
    Res wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    Wait did flannel use to be a grunge thing

    what is it now?

    Now it's something slightly odd to find in someone's closet.

    :(

    I think when I get out of here, I need to take, like, a class on how to dress

    Have you checked out the fashion thread, Res? There's some people in there who really know their stuff.

    You have my solemn word that as a dude dressing nice really isn't that hard or expensive. A few bucks at a Goodwill even can have you looking really super sharp.

  • ThomamelasThomamelas Bro!Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Tarranon wrote: »
    so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'

    Very odd.

  • PodlyPodly good moleman to youRegistered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    I do find hipster culture to be shallow and vapid.

    What culture is not shallow and vapid?

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited September 2010
    Tarranon wrote: »
    so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'

    They're just consumers, ultimately. In a few years when they're at a different place in their lives they'll dress differently and hang out at different places.

  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    I do find hipster culture to be shallow and vapid.

    What culture is not shallow and vapid?

    Scat culture.

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  • MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    MikeMan wrote: »
    okay, thom! please to be giving me a definition of a hipster that doesn't include not producing anything original

    I'll field this one

    I can't remember which it was, but either that Adbusters article I linked to, or a piece in Time Out New York that wiki had, described what I thought of as an illustrative example: kids buying fixie bikes and then paying to have brakes and gears added on the aftermarket.

    What I define as hipster is the deeply-felt pursuit of the outward appearance of authenticity. Authenticity can mean many things, from appearing to be of a certain class or background, to the adoption of signifiers announcing that one is part of a subculture that one may or may not actually be a part of. Eighteen-year-old kids wearing 8-bit Mario t-shirts, for instance - or, when I was a kid, guys my age wearing distressed Quisp cereal tees and track jackets like they'd stepped out of 1976.

    This can be angering for members of the actual subculture that's being appropriated. And it can be problematic because the unprecedented speed with which these fashions change means that entire movements are devoured down to their constituent semotics, absorbed by the overmind, and spat back out as American Apparel catalogs with lightning speed. So while subcultures in the past got to incubate for years or even decades before bursting out into the mainstream, stuff that hasn't really even had a fair chance to develop is commercialized, bulldozed, and eventually abandoned.
    So, basically, you're defining the subculture as one of empty appropriation, devoid of value or substance.

    In other words, exactly what I said up there that you responded to.

    Nice.

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  • stevemarks44stevemarks44 Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Tarranon wrote: »
    so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'

    youth. Like it or not, "hipster" culture has permeated into pretty much the inner-most being of the modern youth movement. There's two extremes. Those who embody everything that accusers refer to as "hipster culture" and consciously own that fact and those who spend their every fiber to do the opposite of what "hipsters" do.

    You're talking about the vast majority of youths, who fall in the middle and do what they want.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Bro!Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Podly wrote: »
    Thomamelas wrote: »
    I do find hipster culture to be shallow and vapid.

    What culture is not shallow and vapid?

    That was taking that into account.

  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Tarranon wrote: »
    so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'

    They're just consumers, ultimately. In a few years when they're at a different place in their lives they'll dress differently and hang out at different places.

    I guess. But I like it so. I guess I'll like other stuff at a different point in my life? Isn't that everyone, though? Is it bad to be a consumer?

  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    MikeMan wrote: »
    the fashion they are into strikes me as highly artificial to create such a distinction. glasses without glass in them, scarves in july, tight pants, 'ironic' facial hair, these all seem to me as weirdly unpractical and uncomfortable, all for the purpose of presenting a certain identity. I find it odd when people rely on their plumage to signal that they are part of a group. I also don't like the idea that they are dressing in this way to be alternative, but at the same time they are adhering to what I have observed to be a fairly strict code of conduct and dress.
    But Eddy we all do this, all the time, every time we dress ourselves.

    We deliberately choose clothes that blatantly make the statement "I am a white middle class 20 something who does not wish to stand out in any particular way but chooses to look clean and sharp."

    Your argument could be leveled against the way you dress just as easily as you're leveling it against the "hipsters."

    And as to your point about the code being strict, that's just demonstrably false. As with all trendy subculture movements with fashion components, the styles vary place to place and year to year.

    A hipster outfit is a costume, the way I dress myself isn't. Why do you wear the clothes you wear? probably they're comfortable and/or you like the way they look.

    I have a hard time believing that hipsters all find glasses without lenses in them fashionable and awesome. It's part of a uniform. the question isn't "do I look good?" it's "do I look like the particular group of people that I am trying to emulate?"

    I mean most hipster fashion isn't even flattering!

    The argument you're making here is that because you don't like the way skinny jeans and v-neck tshirts look or feel, that anyone who feels differently must only be wearing them to be accepted. I wore a pair of fitted jeans today ("skinny" is kind of a dumb term for them I feel) and I find them incredibly comfortable and I like the way I look in them.

    someone who wears fitted jeans isn't a hipster. that's not a uniform. that's jeans that are form fitting. I'm talking about people that make a concious effort to amass a style of clothes that very clearly identifies them as a group, and in this case, it's a group they would almost always deny being a part of.

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited September 2010
    Gosh, Mike, I'm sorry I took the time to try and type a lengthy and straightforward response to your question. Remind me to not fucking bother next time.

  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    I also hate the idea of generations having ownership over something

    Like an 18 year old can't wear an 8 bit mario shirt

    Why the fuck not?

  • Casual EddyCasual Eddy Registered User regular
    edited September 2010
    Tarranon wrote: »
    so what do you call people that don't do that but like hanging out in coffee shops and talking about stuff and reading and consuming what is popularly perceived as 'hipster media'

    a lot of my friends

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