Twenty-five 1Ups

tsplitter

I think my least favorite video game memory was playing Fester's Quest on a black and white screen. If you know of that game you can probably guess why.

Speed Racer

As far as I'm concerned

Mario Sunshine is the only Mario game you're allowed to dislike and still lay a legitimate claim to good taste

Maybe Mario 2 USA. Maybe.

UnbreakableVow

Mario 2 is amazing

Speed Racer

I like it

but not nearly as much as the other Marios

same goes for sunshine but I like mario 2 more than sunshine

UnbreakableVow

I'd really like to get around to trying NSMB Wii

But the control method is really stupid

I didn't like the DS one but the Wii version looks worlds better in terms of not being so...bland.

Antimatter

Man, I loved both NSMB games

Speed Racer

What

the control method is identical to the NES

Larlar

Sunshine almost killed the Mario franchise, which is a shame, considering it was basically their first attempt at a radically new gameplay mechanic since Mario 2. Too bad it sucked.

I just wish Nintendo had taken the level design ingenuity for the Galaxy games and applied it to a brand new character, and bothered to create some kind of interesting story for it all. They've been taking all their best gameplay ideas and "lazifying" them for years.

UnbreakableVow

Speed Racer wrote: »

What

the control method is identical to the NES

Except the NES remote didn't have some uncomfortable as fuck indentation under the D-pad where the B trigger is

My point is fuck Nintendo for making something like the Classic Controller then not letting you use it in a 2D Mario game.

Antimatter

Homestuck game with Galaxy engine

Speed Racer

Larlar wrote: »

Sunshine almost killed the Mario franchise, which is a shame, considering it was basically their first attempt at a radically new gameplay mechanic since Mario 2. Too bad it sucked.

I just wish Nintendo had taken the level design ingenuity for the Galaxy games and applied it to a brand new character, and bothered to create some kind of interesting story for it all. They've been taking all their best gameplay ideas and "lazifying" them for years.

Stories are really not what I want out of Nintendo games

Their job is to pick a type of gameplay, reduce it to its purest point, and perfect it

This is a job they are very good at

Their games tend to suck when they try and do something else

See: Other M, Mario Sunshine

Also Mario 64 was more innovative than Sunshine by several orders of magnitude. It was a game entirely composed of mechanics that had literally never been done before.

TLH

I remember buying a N64 before there were even games released for it. Just sat at home and waited. Mario64 was certainly worth that weight.

I also remember making fun of games like Wave Racer64. Then playing the demo in store, and immediately buying it.

I also made fun of the idea of Super Smash Bros. (don't ask me why) and then played it in a Best Buy for like 3 hours and then bought a Gamecube then and there just so I could get SSB.

I miss playing the Mario Galaxy's....but I bought a 360, and not a Wii.... I feel the younger me would try to beat my ass for such a decision.

e. Also, was I the only person who liked Mario Sunshine? I mean, I didn't like the villagers, and a lot of the crap in it, but I'll be damned if that game wasn't just total fun to play.

Speed Racer

Antimatter wrote: »

Homestuck game with Galaxy engine

Dammit Anti

Ideas this good should be illegal unless you can actually make them happen

Larlar

Speed Racer wrote: »

Larlar wrote: »

Sunshine almost killed the Mario franchise, which is a shame, considering it was basically their first attempt at a radically new gameplay mechanic since Mario 2. Too bad it sucked.

I just wish Nintendo had taken the level design ingenuity for the Galaxy games and applied it to a brand new character, and bothered to create some kind of interesting story for it all. They've been taking all their best gameplay ideas and "lazifying" them for years.

Stories are really not what I want out of Nintendo games

Their job is to pick a type of gameplay, reduce it to its purest point, and perfect it

This is a job they are very good at

Their games tend to suck when they try and do something else

See, but it's this kind of mentality that gets to me. We've dealt with them doing this for so long that we've basically become desensitized to it. Instead of pushing them to make a better all-around game, we make excuses for their deliberate shortcomings.

Crashmo

I liked Sunshine. Of course it's bottom of the replay pile compared to the other 3d mario games.

UnbreakableVow

If Nintendo made a great Zelda game with a really fantastic story

I just

I don't even know what I'd do

Crashmo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpSad0TMRMM

bwanie

Sir Platypus wrote: »

Also what the fuck Yoshi's Island is amazing and anyone that thinks otherwise is a poop.

i did not like the eggshooting or the baby mechanics. loved everything else but that made the game a chore to play through.

Antimatter

Speed Racer wrote: »

Antimatter wrote: »

Homestuck game with Galaxy engine

Dammit Anti

Ideas this good should be illegal unless you can actually make them happen

:mrgreen:

Speed Racer

Larlar wrote: »

Speed Racer wrote: »

Larlar wrote: »

Sunshine almost killed the Mario franchise, which is a shame, considering it was basically their first attempt at a radically new gameplay mechanic since Mario 2. Too bad it sucked.

I just wish Nintendo had taken the level design ingenuity for the Galaxy games and applied it to a brand new character, and bothered to create some kind of interesting story for it all. They've been taking all their best gameplay ideas and "lazifying" them for years.

Stories are really not what I want out of Nintendo games

Their job is to pick a type of gameplay, reduce it to its purest point, and perfect it

This is a job they are very good at

Their games tend to suck when they try and do something else

See, but it's this kind of mentality that gets to me. We've dealt with them doing this for so long that we've basically become desensitized to it. Instead of pushing them to make a better all-around game, we make excuses for their deliberate shortcomings.

They are making better all around games though

Galaxy was insanely good, and Galaxy 2 somehow topped it. Replacing all the characters with new ones or adding cutscenes in between levels wouldn't have made the gameplay any better.

The Metroid series has been awesome up until Other M, and Other M wasn't bad for lack of experimentation

Zelda's admittedly gotten a little stagnant but they're generally pretty good about recognizing when that happens and taking it as a cue to shake things up so I've got pretty good hopes for Skyward Sword.

New Kirby looks awesome, DKC can get away with being samey since it's been so long since one's come out, Starfox is basically a lost cause

Centipede Damascus

Ocarina of Time pretty much had the perfect level of story for a Zelda game

DMAC

UnbreakableVow

I still don't see why people are excited about the new Kirby outside of the art style

He doesn't suck up enemies and gain abilities

That's what Kirby is

He's named after a goddamn vacuum for Christ's sake

Centipede Damascus

UnbreakableVow wrote: »

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

are you saying you didn't like Super Mario 64

you monster

I only played it at demo kiosks initially, and the Nintendo 64 controller is an affront to God and man

I never played the game proper until the Wii Virtual Console

I didn't dig it, but I mean, it was ten years old at that time

I was eleven and I loved it

the N64 controller was unconventional but I didn't have a real problem playing games with it

Speed Racer

Centipede Damascus wrote: »

Ocarina of Time pretty much had the perfect level of story for a Zelda game

No way man

Majora's Mask

the one where every character had their own personal story and you could get as deeply entangled with the world as you wanted to

Someone posted this over in GnT

Pretty good odds that it's just speculation nonsense but the game is even better than it already was if it's true so I'm cool with giving it the benefit of the doubt

Beasteh

that mushroom is so happy to be squeezed

UnbreakableVow

Majora's Mask is the worst Zelda game

Fact

Except for Zelda II

Even more factual

tsplitter

zelda II wasnt bad shut up

Larlar

UnbreakableVow wrote: »

I still don't see why people are excited about the new Kirby outside of the art style

He doesn't suck up enemies and gain abilities

That's what Kirby is

He's named after a goddamn vacuum for Christ's sake

It helps if you just think of it as Little Big Planet for the Wii.

Grey Ghost

Majora's Mask was the best Zelda game
Speed Racer continues to be a man of impeccable taste

Crashmo

Zelda 2 is the worst anything

Speed Racer

I honestly think that kind of storytelling is the best sort to use for video games, where the story's out there for you to find and put together and not given to you in cutscenes.

Majora's Mask does it, the Metroid Primes do it (mostly the first one though), the Team ICO games do it, Bioshock does it, HL2 does it (I think? I didn't really play it)

oh and look that is just a list of all the games people cite when they talk about good storytelling in games

Viscount Islands

UnbreakableVow wrote: »

I still don't see why people are excited about the new Kirby outside of the art style

He doesn't suck up enemies and gain abilities

That's what Kirby is

He's named after a goddamn vacuum for Christ's sake

All people want from Nintendo is to have familiar names in the game title.

Crashmo

HL2 has cutscenes, but you can walk around in them and throw random crap at the dudes head until he stops talking

edit: I guess they are more like events?

There are times when you can't do anything while watching stuff, but that is only because Gordon himself is incapacitated somehow.

UnbreakableVow

Larlar wrote: »

UnbreakableVow wrote: »

I still don't see why people are excited about the new Kirby outside of the art style

He doesn't suck up enemies and gain abilities

That's what Kirby is

He's named after a goddamn vacuum for Christ's sake

It helps if you just think of it as Little Big Planet for the Wii.

But that's even worse

Speed Racer

UnbreakableVow wrote: »

Larlar wrote: »

UnbreakableVow wrote: »

I still don't see why people are excited about the new Kirby outside of the art style

He doesn't suck up enemies and gain abilities

That's what Kirby is

He's named after a goddamn vacuum for Christ's sake

It helps if you just think of it as Little Big Planet for the Wii.

But that's even worse

UV this horrible

horrible

normally I'd be calling you horrible for such an opinion but I am still grateful about you sending me Afrika last Christmas (even though, unlike now, you were completely right about it not being very good)

Beasteh

majora's mask is incredible

fuck the haters

UnbreakableVow

Speed Racer wrote: »

I honestly think that kind of storytelling is the best sort to use for video games, where the story's out there for you to find and put together and not given to you in cutscenes.

Majora's Mask does it, the Metroid Primes do it (mostly the first one though), the Team ICO games do it, Bioshock does it, HL2 does it (I think? I didn't really play it)

oh and look that is just a list of all the games people cite when they talk about good storytelling in games

BioShock gives you all the important bits, and you can just find out a lot of neat side touches by picking up audio tapes

HL2 is like "The world is in a state of oppression. Now go from point to point without any motivation whatsoever. Ravenholm is supposed to be scary for some reason."

Speed Racer

Crashmo wrote: »

HL2 has cutscenes, but you can walk around in them and throw random crap at the dudes head until he stops talking

edit: I guess they are more like events?

There are times when you can't do anything while watching stuff, but that is only because Gordon himself is incapacitated somehow.

Yeah I know that

Most of the games I listed have at least a few cutscenes

but isn't a lot of the story figured out by like finding old newspapers or listening to the bad guy scientist's radio show or whatever

Or just piecing together how an area came to be like it is

Speed Racer

Zelda II didn't necessarily strike me as bad

just ridiculously fucking hard