The concepts for Dante went through a lot of different iterations – they went all over the place – we went really far out with some. The first time we sent our initial concepts to Capcom Japan, they said no, no you need to push it way further.
Because, obviously, Dante is a big character for Capcom, we stuck fairly close to the original design template. But Japan said we needed to go much further, go crazy with it, and so we did.
Also, just because Capcom is also to be blamed, doesn't mean Ninja Theory is absolved of their sins.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited October 2010
I don't care whose fault it is...I just want a better design.
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Zxerolfor the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't doso i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered Userregular
edited October 2010
I just want to know if they started developing the fucking game instead of splooging on how underground and socially relevant and contemporary they're being. One step at a time.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
How good a portion? I would expect a small percentage of the population, something akin to the amount of people who dress like goths over here.
Er, if I'd have to venture a guess, most of the people who hang around the shopping districts, like Shibuya, or maybe Ikebukuro. There really isn't really much of a "goth" fashion in Japan, save for Gothic Lolita and Visual Kei fashions, I guess. If Dante applied to any Japanese style, it would probably be Visual Kei, but even that is stretching it. Dante was always given a pretty westernized style.
EDIT: Oh, and Tameem is a fucking retard. I only have to read his quotes to figure that one out. As I said, Dante' style was always supposed to be a unique westernized style. Hell, some would even compare his style to the popular style of Alucard, from Hellsing. Saying that it is out of date and laughable to DMC fans shows how ignorant he fucking is.
Regular old school goth fashion definitely exists in Japan. Nagoya's Sakae district is full of all kinds of crazy styles in general, of which quite a few would not look out of place in TWEWY. If I saw a Japanese dude dressed as Dante I'd definitely give him a second glance. Actually, DmC Dante (minus the meth thing) would not look too horribly out of place. It would still look retarded, but hey, a lot of the Japanese fashion stuff does.
Having just played the Enslaved demo, it's really not bad. I mean, the combat is kind of simplistic and button mashy. And the platforming is super loose and poor about letting you know where your next move is. It still seems paced well enough that both of those things being thoroughly mediocre won't drag down the experience all that much.
The parts of it where I wasn't playing, though? Awesome. I may pick it up solely based on the fact that the storytelling seems very interesting.
Perhaps that isn't the best justification.
you mean the storytelling where monkey let off a waving stream of s-bombs every time someone sneezed and there didn't seem to be a line of dialogue that wasn't trimmed from a b-action movie
Having just played the Enslaved demo, it's really not bad. I mean, the combat is kind of simplistic and button mashy. And the platforming is super loose and poor about letting you know where your next move is. It still seems paced well enough that both of those things being thoroughly mediocre won't drag down the experience all that much.
The parts of it where I wasn't playing, though? Awesome. I may pick it up solely based on the fact that the storytelling seems very interesting.
Perhaps that isn't the best justification.
you mean the storytelling where monkey let off a waving stream of s-bombs every time someone sneezed and there didn't seem to be a line of dialogue that wasn't trimmed from a b-action movie
enslaved was embarrassing
very pretty, but who gives a shit about that
What the hell, none of this happens in Enslaved
thanks for responding to a week-old post to jump to the defense of a game you're apparently married to, brah
Im not married to it, I enjoyed it. In the enslaved thread a dude mentioned the bitching in this thread, I came to see what it was about, saw your post. Responded. Im also not defending it, what you said is objectively NOT in the game called Enslaved.
Sorry for not checking the date, I should've really made sure it was current for you, regardless of the fact its on the most recent page of a page 1 thread.
Im not married to it, I enjoyed it. In the enslaved thread a dude mentioned the bitching in this thread, I came to see what it was about, saw your post. Responded. Im also not defending it, what you said is objectively NOT in the game called Enslaved.
yes it is
monkey's inner monologue during the demo consisted almost entirely of him shouting "SHIT!" every time a thing happened
it got comedic after a while, but with, ahem, hacks like ninja theory, what can you expect
now this is all so terribly off-topic so why don't you just go on back to the enslaved thread
Yeah except it wasnt written by Ninja theory, it was written by an outside film sceenwriter, of 28 days later and Sunshine fame.
Also it wasnt an inner monologue, im pretty sure he was saying shit out loud, which is an understandable thing given the situation in the demo.
You're making it out to be overthetop Gears of War macho rawrsauce, which wasnt the case at all. I swear to god he says shit like 4 times in one sitting while trapped in a pod, then maybe a few times when stuff is blowing up, the other time he swears its pretty classily muffled. Where are you pulling this from?
I cant even think where in the demo you're getting the b-movie one liner thing from.
And yeah lets go back to the Enslaved thread oh wait fuck it.
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MongerI got the ham stink.Dallas, TXRegistered Userregular
edited October 2010
Man, maybe you didn't understand why I responded to that post in the way I responded to it. Don't bother arguing with Rust.
Are we talking 'Jouney to the West' as in the classic of Chinese Literature, that Journey to the West?
Do you just have something against monkeys?
fucking hate monkeys, but that's besides the point
ninja theory made a so-so action/platformer very loosely based on JttW and apparently it's been getting some people hot and bothered, and now this thread and that one are bleeding into one another
I was going to say, the MC in that demo has overtones of Goku. The tail-thing, the hair, the extending staff and little shield thing he rides around on. All in all, it didn't look terrible, though. But if that's how DmC is going to play, well... I'll pass.
I was going to say, the MC in that demo has overtones of Goku. The tail-thing, the hair, the extending staff and little shield thing he rides around on. All in all, it didn't look terrible, though. But if that's how DmC is going to play, well... I'll pass.
Dragon Ball took an awful lots of themes and character descriptions from the same ancient Chinese story that Enslaved is very loosely based on, so that's entirely expected.
I will say that if DmC has some of the same irritating traits that I ran into in the Enslaved demo, then I'm pretty sure DmC will beat out DMC2 in the heated race for "Worst Game in the Series."
I was going to say, the MC in that demo has overtones of Goku. The tail-thing, the hair, the extending staff and little shield thing he rides around on. All in all, it didn't look terrible, though. But if that's how DmC is going to play, well... I'll pass.
The problem with Enslaved is that Goku is never that ugly, brooding, and dull.
Goku is arrogant, selfish, silly, a prankster, sometimes a jester, sometimes cruel, sometimes heroic.
In other words, he's a very fun anti-hero to root for, unlike the brooding dull heroes Ninja Theory loves so much.
So I only just found out about this game a couple of days ago and at first I was a little confused and annoyed. Thew new design, the more modern setting, etc. And I think all of the talk about trying to make him more relevant to youth culture or whatever is trying to make it a little more serious than what's really called for in a Devil May Cry game.
But if, as they've claimed, they really do intend to show how this younger Dante becomes the one we all know (with all the comparisons to Casino Royale's Bond) then I'm willing to wait until we see a little more and to give the game a chance.
I'll probably rent it at least.
edit: whoa hey this is the first post in 10 days. Didn't realize it was so far down.
MongerI got the ham stink.Dallas, TXRegistered Userregular
edited October 2010
If I ever make a game, the protagonist is going to be the most positive motherfucker you've ever seen. Like, the world is going to burn around him and all his loved ones are going to eat it (because I tend to be twisted like that), but he's going to be optimistic as shit about it.
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When will we get furter news about the game? Did the developers say something?
I'm still optimistic for it.
I also liked Evangelion.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
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What the hell, none of this happens in Enslaved
thanks for responding to a week-old post to jump to the defense of a game you're apparently married to, brah
Sorry for not checking the date, I should've really made sure it was current for you, regardless of the fact its on the most recent page of a page 1 thread.
yes it is
monkey's inner monologue during the demo consisted almost entirely of him shouting "SHIT!" every time a thing happened
it got comedic after a while, but with, ahem, hacks like ninja theory, what can you expect
now this is all so terribly off-topic so why don't you just go on back to the enslaved thread
Also it wasnt an inner monologue, im pretty sure he was saying shit out loud, which is an understandable thing given the situation in the demo.
You're making it out to be overthetop Gears of War macho rawrsauce, which wasnt the case at all. I swear to god he says shit like 4 times in one sitting while trapped in a pod, then maybe a few times when stuff is blowing up, the other time he swears its pretty classily muffled. Where are you pulling this from?
I cant even think where in the demo you're getting the b-movie one liner thing from.
And yeah lets go back to the Enslaved thread oh wait fuck it.
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rent's been the one railing against the game for most of the time
everyone gets us confused
i just seem to show up wherever people like bad things
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rust: completely awesome in every way
rent: likes journey to the west a whole lot
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Rust: Hates ff13.
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Do you just have something against monkeys?
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Yeah, apparently Enslaved's "based" on it, to the point that Journey to the West is the subtitle.
fucking hate monkeys, but that's besides the point
ninja theory made a so-so action/platformer very loosely based on JttW and apparently it's been getting some people hot and bothered, and now this thread and that one are bleeding into one another
I got the joke
it was pretty funny
well done Rust
well done
That service being butlery.
Adorable butlery.
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.
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rent: loves valkyria chronicles
rust: has actual taste
Well technically, "Odyssey to the West"
I still don't know if this game is good enough to justify putting the Tang Monk in a tube top.
Dragon Ball took an awful lots of themes and character descriptions from the same ancient Chinese story that Enslaved is very loosely based on, so that's entirely expected.
I will say that if DmC has some of the same irritating traits that I ran into in the Enslaved demo, then I'm pretty sure DmC will beat out DMC2 in the heated race for "Worst Game in the Series."
The problem with Enslaved is that Goku is never that ugly, brooding, and dull.
Goku is arrogant, selfish, silly, a prankster, sometimes a jester, sometimes cruel, sometimes heroic.
In other words, he's a very fun anti-hero to root for, unlike the brooding dull heroes Ninja Theory loves so much.
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But if, as they've claimed, they really do intend to show how this younger Dante becomes the one we all know (with all the comparisons to Casino Royale's Bond) then I'm willing to wait until we see a little more and to give the game a chance.
I'll probably rent it at least.
edit: whoa hey this is the first post in 10 days. Didn't realize it was so far down.
So they're not just "those guys who made Heavenly Sword" anymore
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can we get some more heroes who are just really happy and enjoy their jobs
But I kind of agree
The Spider-Man games are kinda that. He seems to have fun, anyway
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They're also "those guys who can't design good combat systems or get their games to run at a consistent framerate".
I was going to post the last cutscene from DMC3 where Dante yells "I LIVE FOR THIS"
But the first minute and a half is kind of boring
All right, people. It is not a gerbil. It is not a hamster. It is not a guinea pig. It is a death rabbit. Death. Rabbit. Say it with me, now.