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  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Argh how do you guys debate against anecdotes?

    Me: Fact
    Them: Anecdote
    Me: Statistics
    Them: anecdote
    Me: That is an anecdote and is not representative of the whole US
    Them: Don't care, anecdote.

    *RAGE*

    Note: This is a coworker and not someone here.

    well

    you don't really.

    i mean, if someone's experience in life has been repeatedly X, the best you can really do is beg their indulgence for an alternative interpretation of "how things are" Y

    I even tried to think of a way of re-framing the discussion as suggested by Fartacus in some of the politics thread but I couldn't come up with anything.

    I'm sure I would be a much angrier person if I still lived in the south.

    CommunistCow on
    No, I am not really communist. Yes, it is weird that I use this name.
  • ArchArch doctor of beetle bugs Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arivia wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    I just learned how "anecdotes" are knowledge anyway and worth studying!

    woo feminisms

    are you being sarcastic?

    it sounds like you are belittling feminism here

    no, I'm being sarcastic about anecdotes being worthless

    Anemically my anecdotes are totally worthwhile.

    moniker on
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  • ArchArch doctor of beetle bugs Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Feral wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    as a scientist, i must respectfully disagree

    science fail.

    Anecdotes are valuable information.

    You just call them "case studies."

    maybe if you are a doctor or something

    or like

    a psychologist

    Arch on
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arivia wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    woo I got more money from osap

    :^:

    like $300 but it's something yay!

    You know what they say... Mo' money... mo' money!

    hee hee

    man, even doing applescript coding feels good

    Scripting is great fun.

    He said in a jolly fashion.

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • WinkyWinky Do you love me? It's funny if you think about the universeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arivia wrote: »
    Argh how do you guys debate against anecdotes?

    Me: Fact
    Them: Anecdote
    Me: Statistics
    Them: anecdote
    Me: That is an anecdote and is not representative of the whole US
    Them: Don't care, anecdote.

    *RAGE*

    Note: This is a coworker and not someone here.

    I just learned how "anecdotes" are knowledge anyway and worth studying!

    woo feminisms

    There are proponents of feminism who make me a sad, sad scientist.

    This is along with the "women's ways of knowing" feminists.

    Winky on
  • EchoEcho staring is caring Moderator mod
    edited October 2010
    Scripting is great fun.

    I just set up a Ruby environment (and XCode as API, I'll be doing some Obj-C later anyway), and now I'm all
    def create
        @event = Event.new(params[:event])
    
        respond_to do |format|
          if @event.save
            format.html { redirect_to(@event, :notice => 'Event was successfully created.') }
            format.xml  { render :xml => @event, :status => :created, :location => @event }
          else
            format.html { render :action => "new" }
            format.xml  { render :xml => @event.errors, :status => :unprocessable_entity }
          end
        end
      end
    

    Rails is pretty fun.

    Echo on
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    Casual wrote: »
    a man reaches a certain age when he can no longer be part of groups with "wang" in the title
  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    c64s did have great sound chips

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  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    as a scientist, i must respectfully disagree

    science fail.

    Anecdotes are valuable information.

    You just call them "case studies."

    maybe if you are a doctor or something

    or like

    a psychologist

    Lets do a case study of what my roomate's friend thinks about the Higgs Boson.

    CommunistCow on
    No, I am not really communist. Yes, it is weird that I use this name.
  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I should bust out my Rails book.

    Silas Brown on
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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Heard about this on conservative radio:Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arivia wrote: »
    moniker wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    woo I got more money from osap

    :^:

    like $300 but it's something yay!

    You know what they say... Mo' money... mo' money!

    First you get the money. Then you get the women. Then who cares; you have money and women.

    but I am the woman

    THIS JOKE DOES NOT APPLY BLEEP BLOOP

    First you get the money. Then you hire buff male strippers to dance at one of your girlfriend's birthday party. Then who cares; you have money and buff strippers.

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  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    edited October 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Argh how do you guys debate against anecdotes?

    Me: Fact
    Them: Anecdote
    Me: Statistics
    Them: anecdote
    Me: That is an anecdote and is not representative of the whole US
    Them: Don't care, anecdote.

    *RAGE*

    Note: This is a coworker and not someone here.

    I just learned how "anecdotes" are knowledge anyway and worth studying!

    woo feminisms

    There are proponents of feminism who make me a sad, sad scientist.

    This is along with the "women's ways of knowing" feminists.

    what

    that is the best thing

    I love that theory

    Arivia on
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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Now you run on home to your mother, and tell her tell her everything's all right. And there aren't any more guns in the valley. Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Jacobkosh wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    Jacob!

    make it Sunday today please

    8-)

    (I am still figuring out what you will be doing this Sunday)

    All I have to say is that I'm craving the use of a telephone pole as a weapon.

    Thomamelas on
  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Stuffed olives are delicious.

    moniker on
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  • kaleeditykaleedity Sometimes science is more art than science Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    people are really really bad with statistical reasoning

    really really bad

    nate silver talked about this last month pretty well along with other subjects linked to polling information, starting with http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/29/the-uncanny-accuracy-of-polling-averages-part-i-why-you-cant-trust-your-gut/

    kaleedity on
  • FeralFeral That's what I do. I drink, and I know things. Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    as a scientist, i must respectfully disagree

    science fail.

    Anecdotes are valuable information.

    You just call them "case studies."

    maybe if you are a doctor or something

    or like

    a psychologist

    or this guy

    charles_darwin_l1.jpg

    He's all "I saw this finch with a long beak picking bugs out a tree!" and Arch is all "Pfft, get back to me after you see a thousand finches with long beaks picking bugs out of trees."

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2010
    Mori I made you chicken pakora the other night.

    Sheep on
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  • WinkyWinky Do you love me? It's funny if you think about the universeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    as a scientist, i must respectfully disagree

    science fail.

    Anecdotes are valuable information.

    You just call them "case studies."

    maybe if you are a doctor or something

    or like

    a psychologist

    Neuroscientists do case studies, too.

    Though I seriously question the value of case studies next to pretty much any other form of data.

    Maybe if you have so many case studies that it becomes a statistic.

    Winky on
  • EchoEcho staring is caring Moderator mod
    edited October 2010
    This is my all-time favorite C64 chiptune.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpsN14TFy90

    Echo on
    Steam wishlist
    Casual wrote: »
    a man reaches a certain age when he can no longer be part of groups with "wang" in the title
  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited October 2010
    Arch wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    as a scientist, i must respectfully disagree

    science fail.

    Anecdotes are valuable information.

    You just call them "case studies."

    maybe if you are a doctor or something

    or like

    a psychologist

    or a "use case"

    or a "scenario"

    they're useful in describing a chain of events, or illustrating unforseen complications, etc.

    and of course, assuming they are sufficiently documented, they also can represent a single data point for purposes of disproving a thing.

    Irond Will on
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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    mmmmm arpeggiator

    Elldren on
    fuck gendered marketing
  • ZampanovZampanov You May Not Go Home Until Tonight Has Been MagicalRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Argh how do you guys debate against anecdotes?

    Me: Fact
    Them: Anecdote
    Me: Statistics
    Them: anecdote
    Me: That is an anecdote and is not representative of the whole US
    Them: Don't care, anecdote.

    *RAGE*

    Note: This is a coworker and not someone here.

    I usually just tell them that their evidence is anecdotal, and isn't representative of the facts and statistics that I am aware of. I tell them I've just given them some facts and things that they can check out on their own to see if I'm telling the truth, or to see how relevant they are, whereas I can't check up on their anecdotes at all. Those situations could have come about by chance and are an outlier or the person could just be straight up lying to me to try to make their point. I put it on them to convince me.

    I basically insinuate that they're lying in the most gentle way possible, like I'm breaking bad news to them. It will make almost anyone angry and feel like they're losing.

    Zampanov on
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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Elldren wrote: »
    mmmmm arpeggiator

    I learned a new word!

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • WinkyWinky Do you love me? It's funny if you think about the universeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Like, my rating of the value of scientific data:

    Experiment
    Cross-sectional study
    ----
    ----
    ----
    Case study
    ----
    ----
    ----
    Some dude's anecdote

    Winky on
  • ArchArch doctor of beetle bugs Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Feral wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    as a scientist, i must respectfully disagree

    science fail.

    Anecdotes are valuable information.

    You just call them "case studies."

    maybe if you are a doctor or something

    or like

    a psychologist

    or this guy

    charles_darwin_l1.jpgHe's all "I saw this finch with a long beak picking bugs out a tree!" and Arch is all "Pfft, get back to me after you seea thousand finches with long beaks picking bugs out of trees."

    that is a misrepresentation and you know it :P

    Arch on
  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    kaleedity wrote: »
    people are really really bad with statistical reasoning

    really really bad

    nate silver talked about this last month pretty well along with other subjects linked to polling information, starting with http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/29/the-uncanny-accuracy-of-polling-averages-part-i-why-you-cant-trust-your-gut/

    I know but one would hope that they would maybe think differently when their anecdote is challenged with some statistics.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Like, my rating of the value of scientific data:

    Experiment
    Cross-sectional study
    ----
    ----
    ----
    Case study
    ----
    ----
    ----
    Some dude's anecdote

    You forgot 'stuff I come up with while learning Thermodynamics'.

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit I'm a good person yes it's trueRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Kagera wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    mmmmm arpeggiator

    I learned a new word!

    ... you didn't know the word arpeggio?

    Elldren on
    fuck gendered marketing
  • ArchArch doctor of beetle bugs Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Winky wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Arch wrote: »
    as a scientist, i must respectfully disagree

    science fail.

    Anecdotes are valuable information.

    You just call them "case studies."

    maybe if you are a doctor or something

    or like

    a psychologist

    Neuroscientists do case studies, too.

    Though I seriously question the value of case studies next to pretty much any other form of data.

    Maybe if you have so many case studies that it becomes a statistic.

    Arch on
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Elldren wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    mmmmm arpeggiator

    I learned a new word!

    ... you didn't know the word arpeggio?

    I thought it was some kind of machine that impregnates women to be honest.

    So...no.

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • Silas BrownSilas Brown Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Sheep wrote: »
    Mori I made you chicken pakora the other night.

    Woo! That sounds delicious! Did I like it?

    Silas Brown on
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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
  • WinkyWinky Do you love me? It's funny if you think about the universeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Kagera wrote: »
    Winky wrote: »
    Like, my rating of the value of scientific data:

    Experiment
    Cross-sectional study
    ----
    ----
    ----
    Case study
    ----
    ----
    ----
    Some dude's anecdote

    You forgot 'stuff I come up with while learning Thermodynamics'.

    I see that you are trying to make a burn.

    But I am talking about scientific data, not random completely speculative hypotheses (which I make constantly).

    Winky on
  • kaleeditykaleedity Sometimes science is more art than science Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    kaleedity wrote: »
    people are really really bad with statistical reasoning

    really really bad

    nate silver talked about this last month pretty well along with other subjects linked to polling information, starting with http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/29/the-uncanny-accuracy-of-polling-averages-part-i-why-you-cant-trust-your-gut/

    I know but one would hope that they would maybe think differently when their anecdote is challenged with some statistics.

    Nope, their experience trumps reality

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited October 2010
    Zampanov gets the new [chat].

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator mod
    edited October 2010
    Zampanov wrote: »
    I usually just tell them that their evidence is anecdotal, and isn't representative of the facts and statistics that I am aware of. I tell them I've just given them some facts and things that they can check out on their own to see if I'm telling the truth, or to see how relevant they are, whereas I can't check up on their anecdotes at all. Those situations could have come about by chance and are an outlier or the person could just be straight up lying to me to try to make their point. I put it on them to convince me.

    I basically insinuate that they're lying in the most gentle way possible, like I'm breaking bad news to them. It will make almost anyone angry and feel like they're losing.

    i don't think this is the best way to go about things.

    people's personal experiences and what they take away from them are far more real than what they're going to read on wikipedia.

    it makes more sense to allow people to keep their experiences and impressions (as you should) while suggesting that these fit within a part of a larger truth.

    Irond Will on
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