Western Animation- Sym-Bionic Titan cancelled, burn down everything

PikaPuff

cloudeagle wrote: »

And poor Don Bluth. Titan A.E. was his last film, I think. Guy never did live up to the masterpiece that was the Secret of NIMH ever again.

Uh, Dragon's Lair and Space Ace came out right after NIMH

Yogo

PikaPuff wrote: »

cloudeagle wrote: »

And poor Don Bluth. Titan A.E. was his last film, I think. Guy never did live up to the masterpiece that was the Secret of NIMH ever again.

Uh, Dragon's Lair and Space Ace came out right after NIMH

And it looks really nice. I found a HD video of the entire sequences on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYZnHnoBHvc&feature=related

cloudeagle

I dug Dragon's Lair and Space Ace, but I'd argue they aren't as good overall as NIMH. I mean, the guy certainly did GOOD stuff afterwards, but he really did peak early.

Heartlash

We mustn't forget this awesomeness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLW_uymCcJs

Shame the sequels were straight to DVD fodder.

Yogo

I cannot remember how many times I borrowed that movie from the local equivalent of Blockbuster.

Styrofoam Sammich

The guy is like 75, retirement is nice I hear.

maximumzero

I've never been excited for anything Winnie the Pooh before but I'll gladly be plopping down the money for next year's traditionally animated film just to support the damn thing.

Ninjabear

I love the Mr. Mxyzptlk episodes of the Superman animated series. Not only were they funny, but they gave Superman an opponent he couldn't just punch out.

Matthew

Has anybody seen these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc1TBBp4dC8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qfmWWZ9uSE&feature=related

Dangerous

As a kid I loved pretty much everything Bluth was involved in. I think I own pretty much every one of his movies, except for Anastasia. That one didn't do much for me.

I think what I liked most was how his movies had some genuinely dark and terrifying parts to them, as a kid it scared the shit out of me but I couldn't look away. American Tail, Land Before Time, All Dogs Go to Heaven they all gave me nightmares, but they're still some of my favorite movies ever. It's a shame Titan AE did so poorly. It was far from one of his best, but I still really enjoyed it at the time.

cloudeagle

maximumzero wrote: »

I've never been excited for anything Winnie the Pooh before but I'll gladly be plopping down the money for next year's traditionally animated film just to support the damn thing.

Considering Disney has all their top-name animators working on it? And it's actually based on the original books like the 1960s Winnie the Pooh? I'm there. I'm not ashamed to say it.

I mean, check this stuff out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLnADKgurvc

Especially the bit at 1:50 or so where they start dancing backwards and the honey flows up.

CrownAxe

cloudeagle wrote: »

maximumzero wrote: »

I've never been excited for anything Winnie the Pooh before but I'll gladly be plopping down the money for next year's traditionally animated film just to support the damn thing.

Considering Disney has all their top-name animators working on it? And it's actually based on the original books like the 1960s Winnie the Pooh? I'm there. I'm not ashamed to say it.

I mean, check this stuff out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLnADKgurvc

Especially the bit at 1:50 or so where they start dancing backwards and the honey flows up.

I remember being terrified of that scene as a kid.

FCD

Kipling217 wrote: »

So how many people died in the captain Marvel vs Superman fight? Several buildings where collapsed and they all had the lights on, which seems to sugest they where occupied at the time.

It always annoyed me that Supes didn't just tell Captain Marvel that he thought there was a bomb there, and that they should use their super speed to either get everyone to safety or to disarm the bomb. I mean, I know they were trying to show that Superman was envious of Captain Marvel's more idealistic outlook on being a superhero, but the execution was hamfisted and poorly thought out.

jeddy lee

Not enough Bakshi love in this thread. Picked up the blu-ray on this recently. Blew me away how good it looks. Though some of it seems really dated, particularly in dialog, but in other parts it seems like Jackson took as much inspiration from this as he did the original tolkein work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohw78b1TTFY

Dversed

Just Want Everybody to know Spectacular Spider man is up on netflix instant watch.

LadyM

Eh, I thought Disney's Winnie the Pooh lost most of the charm of the original books, but since it's traditionally animated, sure, I'll buy a ticket to encourage them.

CrownAxe

Was there a new Regular Show tonight?

I was too busy watching Venture Bros. with friends.

TheBog

Any news on Adventure Time being on dvd?

<edit> Also, all the regular show videos on youtube disappeared? :C

JebusUD

Everyone knows that the best cartoon ever, in the history of cartoons, is The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKPrFVLQiU

Come with me, we'll go and see a place called Candy Island!

DanHibiki

jeddy lee wrote: »

Not enough Bakshi love in this thread. Picked up the blu-ray on this recently. Blew me away how good it looks. Though some of it seems really dated, particularly in dialog, but in other parts it seems like Jackson took as much inspiration from this as he did the original tolkein work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohw78b1TTFY

It's been a while, but didn't that have a song by Leonard Nimoy?

Bedlam

JebusUD wrote: »

Everyone knows that the best cartoon ever, in the history of cartoons, is The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKPrFVLQiU

Come with me, we'll go and see a place called Candy Island!

GET READY FOR 100% KICK!

Zombiemambo

Did anyone see the Cthulhu parody episode of Scooby Doo? I don't know if it premiered last night but I was pretty happy about it

Ninjabear

Zombiemambo wrote: »

Did anyone see the Cthulhu parody episode of Scooby Doo? I don't know if it premiered last night but I was pretty happy about it

I saw some of it last night, was to busy with homework to sit and enjoy it. It looked pretty cool.

jeddy lee

DanHibiki wrote: »

jeddy lee wrote: »

Not enough Bakshi love in this thread. Picked up the blu-ray on this recently. Blew me away how good it looks. Though some of it seems really dated, particularly in dialog, but in other parts it seems like Jackson took as much inspiration from this as he did the original tolkein work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohw78b1TTFY

It's been a while, but didn't that have a song by Leonard Nimoy?

Nope, but that song is hilarious and has a great video on youtube.

Novid

Amid gets it half right and half wrong:

The Hub, a network owned partly by toy company Hasbro, launched a little over a week ago with new animated series including Strawberry Shortcake’s Berry Bitty Adventures, G.I. Joe: Renegades, and My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. The network’s debut closes the curtain on what has commonly been referred to as the creator-driven era of TV animation, which lasted from approximately the early-1990s through the late-2000s. During this two-decade span, the balance of creative control in TV animation favored artists for the first time since the early-1960s, and artists exercised vast influence over the visual style, writing, and overall direction of TV shows. It was a fertile period that spawned dozens of lasting cartoon stars and series, many of which are still as popular today as when they first debuted ten or twenty years ago.

Incorrect. That era ended the day Kids WB aired Cardcaptors. Seriously. (dont get me started why)

Incorrect on Miss Loesch:

What clearer death knell for creator-driven animation than the reemergence of Margaret Loesch. After running Hanna-Barbera and Marvel Productions in the 1980s, and Fox Kids through the mid-1990s, her influenced waned in animation during the height of the creator-driven movement, but now she is back in the driver’s seat as president and CEO of the Hub.

Her influenced waned when the Power Rangers was the biggest franchise way back when and Saban (Fox Felt) was a better fit for Fox Kids Worldwide than Loesch. Thats what happened.

Watching names like Rob Renzetti and Lauren Faust pop up in the credits of a toy-based animated series like My Little Pony is an admission of defeat for the entire movement, a white flag-waving moment for the TV animation industry. The signs have been there for a long time, however, and the Hub is but one indicator in the precipitous decline of creator-driven content, whose demise was hurried along by Cartoon Network and its decision to relaunch with large amounts of live-action programming. The erosion of support for creator-driven animation happened gradually but surely, and today networks clearly prefer established properties over original ideas, and dislike dealing with individual artists who have a clear creative vision.

UM. Yeah... a Total Defeat for whom? Err...

Nobody denies that the Hub’s shows will perform well and fulfill the programming needs of the network. But then again, nobody suggested that Smurfs, Snorks and Pound Puppies wouldn’t do well in the 1980s either. The reason that creators like John Kricfalusi, Matt Groening, Mike Judge, John Dilworth, Craig McCracken, Genndy Tartakovsky, Danny Antonucci, Bruce Timm, Trey Parker, and Matt Stone stepped up to the plate originally wasn’t because animation was performing poorly. It was because these artists had a vision for the art form that was more inspired, more vital and more consistently creative than those of executives like Loesch; they aspired to create BETTER cartoons instead of simply acquiescing to committee-driven mandates that underutilized their skill and talent.

Again half truths, Animation WAS DOING POORLY in the early 90's outside of Disney and a Smattering of smaller work. John Kricfalusi has so much talent but didnt want to come on time, even when his work was finished MONTHS in advance. Nick had no choice to replace him. I could say Mike Judge is the most successful of the bunch. And since he so complains about My Little Pony - where was Bruce Timm's first start at - Batman TAS? See, I respect you Amid but your so full of horny BULLSHIT these days.

Next thing is semi correct at but Im entering a small note to it - even though its about the music industry it still has merit:

There’s an upside to all of this. As one era wraps up, I believe we are entering a new (and even more exciting) period—that of the independent, multi-platform artist. The entire concept of creator-driven is redundant at a time when digital technology has made animation production accessible to all. Everybody creates equally today; for something to not be creator-driven is the anomaly. People make entire Web animated series from the comfort of their bedroom and become famous for it. As more artists choose animation as a career, they will find themselves unattached to specific distribution formats as in the past. Fewer artists in the future will say, “I want to work in TV animation,” or “My goal is features.” These mindsets belong to a bygone time when television and theaters held a disproportionate sway over other modes of content distribution.

Really Amid? ARE YOU SERIOUS? We are NO WHERE CLOSE to the full Democratization of Animation! Is this son of a bitch so pussy whipped he fails to see that multi-platform art is no where CLOSE to what we had before. And besides that fact - there are VERY few artists that can pull it off and I KNOW TWO personally.

This explains my point better and its from the music industry:

Let me put it another way: if you get lost in this self-referential closed loop, only caring about what other bands do or what fans think, you lose the “Me vs. The World” vibe that makes people bond passionately to your songs. You need “the World” part of the equation.

I'm NOT saying everyone has to be political. I'm just saying, there used to be a time when people would get their inspiration from the world around them, not just from the music they listened to. Not anymore!

It doesn’t matter WHAT the exact change is . . the point is that the fans change their life. That is what happens when bands are ABOUT something. This is what happens when bands have a PROGRAM – some ideas that extend beyond the tiny ghetto of the music world. When bands aren’t willing to stay put in that one little area.

I’m not talking about fans slavishly obeying bands or being fashion clones or what-have-you. I just mean fans that leave a show thinking, “OK, fuck limits. I am gonna try and do something I never tried before. If these guys can do it, I can do it. I’m gonna get involved with something bigger than music. I’m gonna apply the lessons of this band to my everyday life.” I mean, shit. Nowadays it’s all about selling 4-color t-shirts and youtube hits and ‘pushing the brand.’ NONE OF YALL ARE ABOUT SHIT. NONE OF YALL HAVE ANY AMBITION. It’s sad.

So dont give me this crap about Multi-Platform Artist bull shit if they gonna pull the same shit the rest of the media is doing.

JAK

FCD wrote: »

Kipling217 wrote: »

So how many people died in the captain Marvel vs Superman fight? Several buildings where collapsed and they all had the lights on, which seems to sugest they where occupied at the time.

It always annoyed me that Supes didn't just tell Captain Marvel that he thought there was a bomb there, and that they should use their super speed to either get everyone to safety or to disarm the bomb. I mean, I know they were trying to show that Superman was envious of Captain Marvel's more idealistic outlook on being a superhero, but the execution was hamfisted and poorly thought out.

Superman was an asshole in JLU. I've always found the DCAU's portrayal of Superman to be very cold.

DanHibiki

JAK wrote: »

FCD wrote: »

Kipling217 wrote: »

So how many people died in the captain Marvel vs Superman fight? Several buildings where collapsed and they all had the lights on, which seems to sugest they where occupied at the time.

It always annoyed me that Supes didn't just tell Captain Marvel that he thought there was a bomb there, and that they should use their super speed to either get everyone to safety or to disarm the bomb. I mean, I know they were trying to show that Superman was envious of Captain Marvel's more idealistic outlook on being a superhero, but the execution was hamfisted and poorly thought out.

Superman was an asshole in JLU. I've always found the DCAU's portrayal of Superman to be very cold.

I thought it was already well established that Superman is a dick.

Styrofoam Sammich

DanHibiki wrote: »

JAK wrote: »

FCD wrote: »

Kipling217 wrote: »

So how many people died in the captain Marvel vs Superman fight? Several buildings where collapsed and they all had the lights on, which seems to sugest they where occupied at the time.

It always annoyed me that Supes didn't just tell Captain Marvel that he thought there was a bomb there, and that they should use their super speed to either get everyone to safety or to disarm the bomb. I mean, I know they were trying to show that Superman was envious of Captain Marvel's more idealistic outlook on being a superhero, but the execution was hamfisted and poorly thought out.

Superman was an asshole in JLU. I've always found the DCAU's portrayal of Superman to be very cold.

I thought it was already well established that Superman is a dick.

what in the fuck?

MetroidZoid

Ninjabear wrote: »

I love the Mr. Mxyzptlk episodes of the Superman animated series. Not only were they funny, but they gave Superman an opponent he couldn't just punch out.

Along those lines ...

Homages are fun for all ages

Jacobkosh

1. Yes, the Superdickery site is hilarious.

2. If you actually read the comics, the covers have almost nothing to do with what's going on inside.

3. The Justice League version of Superman is weirdly aggro and written as kind of a meathead. It's the one thing about the DC cartoons that really does bother me.

4. This is the real Superman, for the record:

Spoiler:

Bedlam

Yeah man. No sense in wasting time saving the world when there are super-hugs to give out.

Antimatter

Jacobkosh wrote: »

1. Yes, the Superdickery site is hilarious.

2. If you actually read the comics, the covers have almost nothing to do with what's going on inside.

3. The Justice League version of Superman is weirdly aggro and written as kind of a meathead. It's the one thing about the DC cartoons that really does bother me.

4. This is the real Superman, for the record:

Spoiler:

I knew exactly what this was going to be before I clicked the spoiler <3

Yeah, JL Superman can be a little off, sometimes. Still, Superman on War World was awesome, I thought.

Novid

War World was first good look at Supes in AGES. I kinda liked the 41st Century Supes in LOSH Animated gave him - it was kinda like the Washkoshi (sp) brother and sister did the design, Tim Burton gave him his look, but anime tropes (more like he acted like Vegita at times) gave him his badassery. That and he was just as powerful as Sliver age Supes (or give him a run for his money). I kinda wish they used that Supes for any new movie but the purists will say hell no.

Jacobkosh

Bedlam wrote: »

Yeah man. No sense in wasting time saving the world when there are super-hugs to give out.

That hug does save the world, actually.

And no, I'm not kidding.

mensch-o-matic

What's Superman hate doing on my forums

KalTorak

There was a recent book out where Superman is walking across the country for some reason (I don't know what came before it) doing good. At one point he finds another jumper girl but the scene is longer. She doesn't want him to catch her or something, so he floats there in front of her until she decides to come down on her own. I wish I could remember the details, seemed more poignant than the one in All-Star.

Antimatter

dude

I know exactly the scene you are talking about, and I disagree completely. It was J. Michael Straczynski trying and failing to be more poignant than Grant Morrison. He is doing a year long run on Superman where he's walking around the country in his costume, not actually saving people, but forcing them to do things by themselves. That isn't what Superman does.

KalTorak

Well, I haven't read the run, just saw that one issue in a bookstore. But it's been mentioned - even in All-Star (when Supes creates the test world without Superman) and in Red Son that people might take Superman for granted if he just saved everyone the way he could.

Antimatter

he was preaching at her

and, later in the issue, someone asks him if he would have let her fall, and he doesn't say anything

what the fuck

KalTorak

Yes, what an interesting character Superman would be if he just did the same thing all the time.