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Is there ever any circumstance under which holding a parking space is ok?

The_SpaniardThe_Spaniard Registered User regular
edited October 2010 in Debate and/or Discourse
I know it is generally considered poor manners and rude for people to hold parking spaces for other people by standing in them. Parking is thought of as a first come first serve thing, and if you are standing in a parking spot holding it for a friend that isn't there yet, well then tough luck for that friend. Though I'm wondering if there is any possible circumstance under which that is okay?

For example last night I was circling the parking lot of my own housing complex for 15 min trying to find a space, which even as a resident can be difficult at times. After a while I finally gave up and parked 2 blocks away. Walking home, when I was within 100 feet of my front door, a couple gets into their car right next to me. Oh shit I thought, here is my chance. I stood on the curb in front of their car and waited for them. They chatted for a bit, and then finally pulled out and left. I immediately jumped into the space and whipped out my phone calling my boyfriend who was at home 100 feet away telling him to come out. I told him to just hold the spot for the two minutes it would take me to run the two blocks and speed over. I booked it like hell and as I was getting to my car door I heard someone screaming my name. It was my boyfriend about a block back running after me. Apparently seconds after I took off he said somebody else came along and he immediately cowed to their request that he give them the spot. Now after a really shitty night, this whole parking thing being the least of it, I finally cracked and lost my temper for .5 seconds. That's how long it took me to scream and hurl my keys at the floor, before I went, "Oh shit..." and realized I'd just shattered a 500 dollar electronic key.

Anyway so the question is as follows. While normally it is considered rude for somebody to hold a parking spot for somebody else, first come first serve and all that jazz, I had already circled the lot for an extended period of time, parked blocks away, walked all the way home, came across somebody leaving, waited for them to leave, and claimed the spot for myself using my boyfriend as a traffic cone to run while I ran off and took all of 2 minutes to park my car there. I mean I did come across somebody pulling out and waited for them to leave, the only difference was that I wasn't currently in my car, which would have taken 2 minutes to put into that space, and had I run off while the people were taking their time in pulling out, I would have come back in time with my car to park there. Was that an acceptable circumstance of what is usually a frowned upon practice?

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  • KrieghundKrieghund Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I'm kinda amazed your man caved like that. The 80 year old ladies that do it in the parking lot at work are freakin bulldogs about that kind of thing.

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    When you saw them getting ready to leave the spot, why didn't you run to get your car right away so by the time you got back they'd have left the spot?

  • The_SpaniardThe_Spaniard Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    KalTorak wrote: »
    When you saw them getting ready to leave the spot, why didn't you run to get your car right away so by the time you got back they'd have left the spot?

    I very simply didn't know if they were just going to hop in and pull away in seconds or spend 5 minutes blabbing and doing whatever.

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I've never seen anyone do that. I think it would piss me off enough that I'd jam my vehicle partway into the space and refuse to leave when the person they were holding it for showed up.

    People are not cars. Parking spots are not for standing in.

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  • mrt144mrt144 King of the Numbernames Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Seriously, If I drove, I'd probably go to prison after hitting someone standing in a parking spot.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Anyway so the question is as follows. While normally it is considered rude for somebody to hold a parking spot for somebody else, first come first serve and all that jazz, I had already circled the lot for an extended period of time, parked blocks away, walked all the way home, came across somebody leaving, waited for them to leave, and claimed the spot for myself using my boyfriend as a traffic cone to run while I ran off and took all of 2 minutes to park my car there. I mean I did come across somebody pulling out and waited for them to leave, the only difference was that I wasn't currently in my car, which would have taken 2 minutes to put into that space, and had I run off while the people were taking their time in pulling out, I would have come back in time with my car to park there. Was that an acceptable circumstance of what is usually a frowned upon practice?

    The fact that you weren't there in your car means first come first serve doesn't apply to you. Well, it does, just not in the way you would like it to.

    I hate when people hold limited parking spaces for others as if that person somehow deserves it more by virtue of knowing someone currently not in a car.

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    mrt144 wrote: »
    Seriously, If I drove, I'd probably go to prison after hitting someone standing in a parking spot.

    Haha, I think you'd be best served (if they have super car-blocking skills and obstruct you from pulling partway in) double-parking the empty space. Want to stand in a parking spot while I sit in my car recording your refusal to move on my cell phone and call the police? Go for it.

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  • CasedOutCasedOut Registered User
    edited October 2010
    Why in gods name would you even care at that point? You are 100 feet from your door.... I mean you either could walk back to your car that moment and hope to get the spot, or just go back to your car in the morning/the next time you left. I mean really, why didnt you just walk through your front door and have a beer?

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    KalTorak wrote: »
    When you saw them getting ready to leave the spot, why didn't you run to get your car right away so by the time you got back they'd have left the spot?

    I very simply didn't know if they were just going to hop in and pull away in seconds or spend 5 minutes blabbing and doing whatever.

    My point is, you can't use the fact that you found them and waited for them to leave as a reason that the spot should have been yours unless you had your car with you. If, while you were waiting for them to leave, someone else driving around looking for parking noticed them and waited for them to leave, I don't think you would have had a claim to the spot. What are you going to do, say, "I saw those people first"? You don't have your car with you, so it doesn't matter.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    CasedOut wrote: »
    Why in gods name would you even care at that point? You are 100 feet from your door.... I mean you either could walk back to your car that moment and hope to get the spot, or just go back to your car in the morning/the next time you left. I mean really, why didnt you just walk through your front door and have a beer?

    This just occurred to me too.

    You were already home. The reason of parking closer was nonexistent at that point anyway.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Quid wrote: »
    CasedOut wrote: »
    Why in gods name would you even care at that point? You are 100 feet from your door.... I mean you either could walk back to your car that moment and hope to get the spot, or just go back to your car in the morning/the next time you left. I mean really, why didnt you just walk through your front door and have a beer?

    This just occurred to me too.

    You were already home. The reason of parking closer was nonexistent at that point anyway.

    I guess you could want to have less of a distance to walk to the car when you leave. But still, half-gone anyway.

  • InvisibleInvisible Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    No. First come, first serve. Not only is it rude, it's something that inevitably leads to road rage and violence. Just in the past month I've read of several instances of people getting into physical altercations and even murder over parking spots (2 of which involved someone standing in a spot to hold it). It's silly and not worth the trouble.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    for some reason driving/parking screws up people's otherwise normal cost/benefit calculators
    if you're breaking shit over a matter of a coupla blocks, i dunno, some introspection might be in order

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    dlinfiniti wrote: »
    for some reason driving/parking screws up people's otherwise normal cost/benefit calculators
    if you're breaking shit over a matter of a coupla blocks, i dunno, some introspection might be in order

    It's like gambling; in every driver's mind, the guy ahead of you who took that one open spot is like someone reaching over while the casino guy isn't looking and flicking the roulette ball off your number onto his.

  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Yes, the circumstance is after it snows and you dug your car out. That is now your space when you get back from work and woe unto the fool that takes it from you.

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  • SarcasmoBlasterSarcasmoBlaster Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    If a Gruberesque terrorist tells you to hold a parking space or he will detonate a dirty bomb somewhere in New York City, then it is acceptable. That's really the only scenario I can think of where it is justifiable.

  • programjunkieprogramjunkie Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    moniker wrote: »
    Yes, the circumstance is after it snows and you dug your car out. That is now your space when you get back from work and woe unto the fool that takes it from you.

    This right here. By improving something, you earn the right to use it, at least temporarily, except in strong extenuating circumstances.

  • JHunzJHunz Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I don't think I have ever seen anyone stand in a parking space to hold it. It must not be a thing in Chicago.

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  • NailbunnyPDNailbunnyPD Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Its okay if you live in the city (street parking) and it snows. You shovel the space in front of your house for an hour, and then put your trash cans out to save your spot. It gets questionable if you live in an apartment.

    Our city actually has a law against saving spots, except in extreme situations, like massive snowfall.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Like if you were on your way home, suffering from a massive migraine, and your boyfriend were wheel chair bound or something then I'd totally have sympathy and look somewhere else.

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  • VoodooVVoodooV Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    If a person is attempting to hold a parking spot when you, in a car, find it, could you not just slowly inch forward in said car. slow enough to not injure the person...and nudge them out of the way?

    Maybe i'm responding to douchebaggery with even more douchebaggery...but that ends it doesn't it? Unless you think they're going to key your car or something.

  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    well if the dude is willing to engage in that type of douchebaggery (standing in a space) who knows how far they're willing to go. meh, not really a risk you wanna take with your nice paintjob or tires

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    It's tough enough to parallel park without some douche standing in the way.

  • VoodooVVoodooV Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    true. just hate to see people get away with shit like that. Now yeah, the snow digging scenario would be a valid reason IMO, but it sounds like that would be the exception, not the rule

  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    My college's food court is frequently littered with unattended backpacks on tables, often making it difficult to find an open table. Kind of makes me wish the campus had more of a crime problem.

  • MrMisterMrMister Valuing scholarship above all elseRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    VoodooV wrote: »
    If a person is attempting to hold a parking spot when you, in a car, find it, could you not just slowly inch forward in said car. slow enough to not injure the person...and nudge them out of the way?

    Maybe i'm responding to douchebaggery with even more douchebaggery...but that ends it doesn't it? Unless you think they're going to key your car or something.

    I imagine you could get in trouble for deliberately hitting someone with your car, even if it was just a love tap.

    And there's always the possibility that they fall and break their ankle or something.

  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Which is why you just park that fucker right in front/halfway in to the spot, kill the engine, and crack open a good book.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2010
    JHunz wrote: »
    I don't think I have ever seen anyone stand in a parking space to hold it. It must not be a thing in Chicago.

    Standing, no. But have you never experienced the chairs, cones, furniture, and other whatever the fuck people use to hold their spaces in the winter?

    it differs by neighborhood, but a lot of people around here are serious about their parking

  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    JHunz wrote: »
    I don't think I have ever seen anyone stand in a parking space to hold it. It must not be a thing in Chicago.

    I've done it a few times, when we were in the city and it was a) stand outside, or b) circle for X hours, particularly if it's late or we had bags. This was when we were still looking for a spot; we'd never bother if we had found one like the OT.

    To me it's acceptable because you're standing in line, and outside, vs. the possible other driver who is in the comfort of their vehicle. Similar to waiting outside Best Buy for a $100 TV or whatever. If someone had pulled up and said, "I gotta take shit NOW/my wife's pregnant, etc!" I would have moved.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    To me it's acceptable because you're standing in line, and outside, vs. the possible other driver who is in the comfort of their vehicle.

    There's a solution to this. Go inside.

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  • JeanJean Lonely québécois bear Gatineau, QuébecRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    That thread sure makes me glad I live in a suburb with plentyyyy of parking space. I never seen people standing in a parking space, simply because parking is very plentiful in this city of mine.

    It sure drives me crazy when I'm travelling and I dont know where the hell I can park. When I went to Boston this summer I was all like '' woaaa man this city looks so nice, so much nice shit to do... now where can I find a fucking parking space so I can actually enjoy the place'' Once I finally found a parking place, I loved the rest of my stay :)

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited October 2010
    I don't think I've ever stood in a parking space to hold it, or known anyone who did such, or even really considered it as a possibility. Because parking here isn't really an issue.

    I've done the Stick My Stuff On a Table To Hold It thing in college, because everyone did it, and I never really thought much about it. I figure the first-come-first-serve rule is defined by social norms, and if the norm is "first come" means when you get into the room, and not after you've gotten your food, the upshot isn't much different. I mean, assuming you don't spend thirty minutes getting your food. But shit, sometimes you can by carrying a lot of crap around in college, and it's heavy as fuck, and it's nice to be able to just drop it on a table somewhere.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Quid wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    To me it's acceptable because you're standing in line, and outside, vs. the possible other driver who is in the comfort of their vehicle.

    There's a solution to this. Go inside.

    :P I would go inside, but there's no place to park.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Valuing scholarship above all elseRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    This sort of thing makes me grateful to not have a car in a city with good buses which are free to students.

  • JHunzJHunz Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    Speaking of parking, why do people keep parking in front of my house? It's mostly people who are visiting my neighbors, I think, but I've watched them park in front of my house and walk over to that neighbor's place, when the exact same spot is open in front of their house.
    Should I put this in the neuroses thread instead? Because it bugs me.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser Alpha Teemo Fake Board GamerRegistered User regular
    edited October 2010
    While normally it is considered rude for somebody to hold a parking spot for somebody else, first come first serve and all that jazz, I had already circled the lot for an extended period of time, parked blocks away, walked all the way home, came across somebody leaving, waited for them to leave, and claimed the spot for myself using my boyfriend as a traffic cone to run while I ran off and took all of 2 minutes to park my car there. I mean I did come across somebody pulling out and waited for them to leave, the only difference was that I wasn't currently in my car, which would have taken 2 minutes to put into that space, and had I run off while the people were taking their time in pulling out, I would have come back in time with my car to park there. Was that an acceptable circumstance of what is usually a frowned upon practice?

    No it's still incredibly fucking rude. If I saw your boyfriend trying to hold a spot without a car, I would have laughed at him. That shit is just flat out unacceptable.

    Anyways, you were already parked. Why should the dude that found a parking spot (and your boyfriend) be sent off to find another one while you were already sitting on a perfectly good spot?

  • khainkhain Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I guess I don't understand why you'd move your car when you're already parked given that you just increased the total distance you needed to walk. Anyway people have already pointed out a reason when it's snowing and the only other thing I can think of is if a person is disabled and the disabled spaces happen to be taken then I'm fine with someone saving them the closest spot possible since they presumably need it more than a random person.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited October 2010
    I'm still marveling at the idea of parking the car, getting out, and then getting back in so you can park somewhere else.

    It's bad enough when people drive all around the parking lot trying to find the one perfect spot when they could've already been in the store had they just pulled into one of the fifty parking spots they're apparently too good for. Me, I generally pull into the parking lot, make a token drive by the front of the store in case I'm lucky, then pick an aisle and pull into the first space I see, no matter how far out it is. Unless there's some serious wrath-of-God type weather out, then I may make a second pass.

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  • dgs095dgs095 Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    I don't think its wrong to stand in a parking spot to hold it for a couple minutes.....

    when it comes to driving and parking that is very low on my anger scale....and rarely happens anyways.

    I'm a little confused about your living arrangements though.

    Most places I know if you live there you have a parking spot that is yours.

    I know people in heavy traffic areas who put cones on their parking parking spot when they are leaving in the morning.



    And also the snow-shoveling thing. I shovel my parking spot at my apartment and it is clearly mine. The few times people have taken it I've parked somewhere else and left a note under their wiper blade. My parking spot was always waiting for me by the next time I came home form work.

  • ronzoronzo Registered User regular
    edited October 2010
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I'm still marveling at the idea of parking the car, getting out, and then getting back in so you can park somewhere else.

    It's bad enough when people drive all around the parking lot trying to find the one perfect spot when they could've already been in the store had they just pulled into one of the fifty parking spots they're apparently too good for. Me, I generally pull into the parking lot, make a token drive by the front of the store in case I'm lucky, then pick an aisle and pull into the first space I see, no matter how far out it is. Unless there's some serious wrath-of-God type weather out, then I may make a second pass.

    this is exactly what I do and I mock every one of my friends who do the multiple passes looking for a really close spot

    then again, sometimes this bites me in the ass because florida weather can go from sunny to nightmarish hellstorm in the time it takes to get groceries

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