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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Kids aren't an excuse for working shorter hours, they're require things. And what do you think parents are doing when they leave to attend to them? I can assure you they're not sitting on their asses eating bonbons, and there's a good chance they'd actually rather be at work than stuck in traffic trying to make it to the childcare centre or school.

    I think your frustration is making you unreasonably judgemental of the demands parenting takes on one's time, and I think you of all people should be perceptive enough to understand that the structure of the workplace and the way we run our lives outside of work create these conflicts. Its not parents trying to screw you over by spawning as an excuse to slack off.

    But anyway, I'm going to work now. At 9:15, because I can.

    I'm frustrated that being a nonparent basically makes me a second-class citizen. No personal calls allowed at work... unless you're a parent. No working from home... unless you have kids to take care of. No tardiness... unless you have to drop your kids off at school. No leaving work early... unless you have to pick them up from school. Leave your personal issues at home... unless you have to bring your kids in one day because your nanny called in sick.

    They're clear, flagrant, discriminatory double standards. My feelings of frustration are entirely warranted.

    Yes that, its like smokers getting extra breaks because they want to kill themselves, how is that fair to me as a non smoker?

  • SarksusSarksus TEN FUCKING DOLLARS Registered User regular
  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Yeah parents in my company get promoted over the childless based on having to support their children, so if there was ever a job where its justified to be a bit anti child its mine.

    In the military married people get paid more through the housing allowance, which is a "benefit" and not "pay" so they can do that.

    Pointing out the unfairness of that earned quick and angry responses from married people "Well we need the extra money."

    Uh huh, and single people just don't need money, what more they need to be punished for presumably leading sinful lives.

  • PasserbyePasserbye Registered User
    Passerbye wrote: »
    Guys it was just Cat using 'dudes' in a gender-neutral fashion. She's already explained herself, let's move on. It's not always about sexism with her, ok?

    Good grief.

    Except that word's not remotely related to anyone's objection. I, at least, am accusing her of calling people hypocrites without proof, not of being sexist or calling people sexist.

    Sigh. I wish I could say sorry about this, but the truth is I just don't give enough of a fuck to answer in any other way.

    Whatever you say, ghost fucker.

    Daxon wrote: »
    Passerbye wrote: »
    Daxon why did you ask for a frothing av?

    The joke was that I had ADHD at school because I'd quickly get obsessed with something then suddenly lose interest a few days later.

    Also conversations with me take random tangents very often as I think of quite a few different things to say about each and everything thing that is mentioned.

    Really, I work in a pretty damn non-linear fashion.

    edit: so my quite skilled artisty friend drew me as a guy only wearing boxers, a ruffled shirt with a tie, and frothing at my mouth because I'm insane yet still tend to dress well.

    I actually quite like the avatar - been thinking of getting a new one made but I can't really decide what it'd be.

    Sounds like the way I think as well, though I've gotten better at sticking with things rather than going over-the-top obsession for only a week. 'Course I've known that I have ADD since I was 4.

  • tyrannustyrannus Registered User regular
    baha salsa yes yes yesss

  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Arivia wrote: »
    Also I read "dudes" as men in that case, but oh well.

    And yet her problem was with the quote tree, and through it the "dudes" posting in it. Its also not overly surprising you don't see an issue with it.

    Huh?

    Her post specifically said she had issues with the quote tree after using the term dudes. That brings an implied meaning to the dudes in question being Preacher, Feral and Japan.

    I the wha nevermind.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I don't know what cisgendered is and I don't want to.

    Good night!

    I have a suspicion it's a combination of 'cism and gender.

    Which would make it a fairly stupid term.

    Cis/trans. They're pre-fixes that are used for other things, too.

    I don't even understand what you're saying there.

  • DaxonDaxon Registered User
    Honk wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Wow I just realised how borderline tiny the British Isles are, how do you fit 60 million people there?

    Shrink raysssssssssss!

    13 million of them live within the London metropolitan area.

    I understand the London metropolitan area is extremely large, maps told me this.

    Is there a moratorium on building highrises, like there is in Paris? Because there are very few tall buildings in London.

    I really wish large swathes of london would be torn down and rebuilt with high rises cause this would free up a lot of space to be used for things like parks, bigger roads, separate bike lanes, and generally improve the city.

    It's also more energy efficient.

    Most people I say this to get really upset at the thought of tearing down a ton of old 100+ year old houses with shit insulation, single-glazed windows, and terrible build design just because without them the "feel" of London wouldn't be preserved.

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I don't know what cisgendered is and I don't want to.

    Good night!

    I have a suspicion it's a combination of 'cism and gender.

    Which would make it a fairly stupid term.

    Cis/trans. They're pre-fixes that are used for other things, too.

    I don't even understand what you're saying there.

    Cisgendered is someone who associates with the gender assigned to them by society, and generally the tropes thereof, more or less.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Life doesn't run away from nobody. Life runs at people.Registered User regular
    And flowers aquired from my flower guy.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Changing the World Order. Registered User regular
    Quizzy, what game are we talking about?

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    Honk wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Wow I just realised how borderline tiny the British Isles are, how do you fit 60 million people there?

    Shrink raysssssssssss!

    13 million of them live within the London metropolitan area.

    I understand the London metropolitan area is extremely large, maps told me this.

    Is there a moratorium on building highrises, like there is in Paris? Because there are very few tall buildings in London.

    Generally they don't get built as living space because people would rather commute than live in a high-rise. The '70s have left a fairly strong association in many people's minds between high-rises and council housing. That is starting to change, though.

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    I buy chunky salsa.

    And then I blend it.

    I'm a fucking rebel.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I don't know what cisgendered is and I don't want to.

    Good night!

    I have a suspicion it's a combination of 'cism and gender.

    Which would make it a fairly stupid term.

    Cis/trans. They're pre-fixes that are used for other things, too.

    I don't even understand what you're saying there.

    Cisgendered is someone who associates with the gender assigned to them by society, and generally the tropes thereof, more or less.

    We didn't need a word for that.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Yeah parents in my company get promoted over the childless based on having to support their children, so if there was ever a job where its justified to be a bit anti child its mine.

    In the military married people get paid more through the housing allowance, which is a "benefit" and not "pay" so they can do that.

    Pointing out the unfairness of that earned quick and angry responses from married people "Well we need the extra money."

    Uh huh, and single people just don't need money, what more they need to be punished for presumably leading sinful lives.

    Well mine its not overt, its just that aside from 1 of my immediate bosses the rest all have recent children. My wife was turned down for an upper position told she needed more experience, the lady who got the position? Got hired after my wife had been working there, at the meeting on why she wasn't getting the job they mentioned that maybe my wife should have a child to "make her happier" I was infuriated.

    Office politics man got to love them.

  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    Oh my god that is an unfortunate name. Josephine Titsworth.

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  • SarksusSarksus TEN FUCKING DOLLARS Registered User regular
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I don't know what cisgendered is and I don't want to.

    Good night!

    I have a suspicion it's a combination of 'cism and gender.

    Which would make it a fairly stupid term.

    Cis/trans. They're pre-fixes that are used for other things, too.

    I don't even understand what you're saying there.

    Well, take a class in chemistry/gender studies/a dictionary.

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Quizzy, what game are we talking about?

    I was thinking either SC2 or Blazblue after I finish up these few remaining questions for this practice substitute teaching credential test.

    It's been pathetically easy so far.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I buy chunky salsa.

    And then I blend it.

    I'm a fucking rebel.

    You're making extra work for dishes you dick!

  • PasserbyePasserbye Registered User
    Wow, Feral. I find myself completely and totally disagreeing with your 'warranted frustration' regarding allowances made for people with children.

    This should go down in record books. Passer disagreed with Feral.

    Now I'm gonna go watch Avatar before this becomes stupid. Cat had the right idea.

    Try to be good to each other, [chat].

  • MazzyxMazzyx Changing the World Order. Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Mazzyx wrote: »
    Quizzy, what game are we talking about?

    I was thinking either SC2 or Blazblue after I finish up these few remaining questions for this practice substitute teaching credential test.

    It's been pathetically easy so far.

    Well if it is sc2 bug me on steam. God I wish my license would come in for my sub. Might be able to get a TV up here for the PS3 and then I could do some blazblue with you.

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  • AriviaArivia Registered User
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I don't know what cisgendered is and I don't want to.

    Good night!

    I have a suspicion it's a combination of 'cism and gender.

    Which would make it a fairly stupid term.

    Cis/trans. They're pre-fixes that are used for other things, too.

    I don't even understand what you're saying there.

    Cisgendered is someone who associates with the gender assigned to them by society, and generally the tropes thereof, more or less.

    We didn't need a word for that.

    Yes we did. Julia Serrano's additions (which someone turned me onto recently) of cissexual and cisphobia are really valuable too.

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I buy chunky salsa.

    And then I blend it.

    I'm a fucking rebel.

    You're making extra work for dishes you dick!

    Huh? I mean, I guess I have to wash the blender? Not a big deal, really. :P

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  • HonkHonk Registered User regular
    Daxon wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Wow I just realised how borderline tiny the British Isles are, how do you fit 60 million people there?

    Shrink raysssssssssss!

    13 million of them live within the London metropolitan area.

    I understand the London metropolitan area is extremely large, maps told me this.

    Is there a moratorium on building highrises, like there is in Paris? Because there are very few tall buildings in London.

    I really wish large swathes of london would be torn down and rebuilt with high rises cause this would free up a lot of space to be used for things like parks, bigger roads, separate bike lanes, and generally improve the city.

    It's also more energy efficient.

    Most people I say this to get really upset at the thought of tearing down a ton of old 100+ year old houses with shit insulation, single-glazed windows, and terrible build design just because without them the "feel" of London wouldn't be preserved.

    I think it's fairly important to preserve the old buildings though.

    Stockholm is a decent example, the whole downtown area was torn down and rebuilt somewhere '50s-'60s. It is decidedly fugly, everyone knows and thinks this. Meanwhile - we have houses in Gamla Stan that are superb living quarters and that are from the 1500-1600's. They just modernized the insulation and stuff in general while keeping the shells intact. Also most of the interiours in many cases.

  • DaxonDaxon Registered User
    Passerbye wrote:
    Daxon wrote: »
    Passerbye wrote: »
    Daxon why did you ask for a frothing av?

    The joke was that I had ADHD at school because I'd quickly get obsessed with something then suddenly lose interest a few days later.

    Also conversations with me take random tangents very often as I think of quite a few different things to say about each and everything thing that is mentioned.

    Really, I work in a pretty damn non-linear fashion.

    edit: so my quite skilled artisty friend drew me as a guy only wearing boxers, a ruffled shirt with a tie, and frothing at my mouth because I'm insane yet still tend to dress well.

    I actually quite like the avatar - been thinking of getting a new one made but I can't really decide what it'd be.

    Sounds like the way I think as well, though I've gotten better at sticking with things rather than going over-the-top obsession for only a week. 'Course I've known that I have ADD since I was 4.

    I'm pretty sure that if I lived in America I would have been diagnosed with ADD and given ritalin insta-quick purely on the basis that it is over-diagnosed (not to say your diagnosis isn't valid), especially there.

    I did have epilepsy when I was a child so I was given carbamazepine to sort that out - thankfully I outgrew it and my brain functions normally now but I've always wondered if it had other knock-on effects on my behaviour.

  • Donkey KongDonkey Kong and a cast of thousands Registered User regular
    Passerbye wrote: »
    Wow, Feral. I find myself completely and totally disagreeing with your 'warranted frustration' regarding allowances made for people with children.

    This should go down in record books. Passer disagreed with Feral.

    Now I'm gonna go watch Avatar before this becomes stupid. Cat had the right idea.

    Try to be good to each other, [chat].

    Wait wait, if it's the avatar with the big blue cat people and you are leaving before "this becomes stupid"...

    Oh god, talk about out of the pot and into the fire.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Kids aren't an excuse for working shorter hours, they're require things. And what do you think parents are doing when they leave to attend to them? I can assure you they're not sitting on their asses eating bonbons, and there's a good chance they'd actually rather be at work than stuck in traffic trying to make it to the childcare centre or school.

    I think your frustration is making you unreasonably judgemental of the demands parenting takes on one's time, and I think you of all people should be perceptive enough to understand that the structure of the workplace and the way we run our lives outside of work create these conflicts. Its not parents trying to screw you over by spawning as an excuse to slack off.

    But anyway, I'm going to work now. At 9:15, because I can.

    I'm frustrated that being a nonparent basically makes me a second-class citizen. No personal calls allowed at work... unless you're a parent. No working from home... unless you have kids to take care of. No tardiness... unless you have to drop your kids off at school. No leaving work early... unless you have to pick them up from school. Leave your personal issues at home... unless you have to bring your kids in one day because your nanny called in sick.

    They're clear, flagrant, discriminatory double standards. My feelings of frustration are entirely warranted.

    Totally agree. It's like how ten years ago everyone at my retail job that smoked got a smoking break whenever they wanted but when I, who did not smoke, asked if I could step out for a few minutes, I was consistently turned down by the manager.

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  • CommunistCowCommunistCow Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    I buy chunky salsa.

    And then I blend it.

    I'm a fucking rebel.

    I buy blended salsa and glue it back together so it is chunky.

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    No, I am not really communist. Yes, it is weird that I use this name.
  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    Totally agree. It's like how ten years ago everyone at my retail job that smoked got a smoking break whenever they wanted but when I, who did not smoke, asked if I could step out for a few minutes, I was consistently turned down by the manager.

    I had that happen a few times in restaurant work. "I need a break" "Why you don't smoke"

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  • DaxonDaxon Registered User
    Honk wrote: »
    Daxon wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Wow I just realised how borderline tiny the British Isles are, how do you fit 60 million people there?

    Shrink raysssssssssss!

    13 million of them live within the London metropolitan area.

    I understand the London metropolitan area is extremely large, maps told me this.

    Is there a moratorium on building highrises, like there is in Paris? Because there are very few tall buildings in London.

    I really wish large swathes of london would be torn down and rebuilt with high rises cause this would free up a lot of space to be used for things like parks, bigger roads, separate bike lanes, and generally improve the city.

    It's also more energy efficient.

    Most people I say this to get really upset at the thought of tearing down a ton of old 100+ year old houses with shit insulation, single-glazed windows, and terrible build design just because without them the "feel" of London wouldn't be preserved.

    I think it's fairly important to preserve the old buildings though.

    Stockholm is a decent example, the whole downtown area was torn down and rebuilt somewhere '50s-'60s. It is decidedly fugly, everyone knows and thinks this. Meanwhile - we have houses in Gamla Stan that are superb living quarters and that are from the 1500-1600's. They just modernized the insulation and stuff in general while keeping the shells intact. Also most of the interiours in many cases.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=kentish+town+road&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

    Street view it.

    It is fugly as shit, no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Oh boohoo, people who smoke get more breaks than me while they destroy their lungs, smell awful and piss their paychecks away down a highly addictive, consumable burning plant.

    Big whoop.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Registered User regular
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I don't know what cisgendered is and I don't want to.

    Good night!

    I have a suspicion it's a combination of 'cism and gender.

    Which would make it a fairly stupid term.

    Cis/trans. They're pre-fixes that are used for other things, too.

    I don't even understand what you're saying there.

    Well, take a class in chemistry/gender studies/a dictionary.

    Or read De Bello Gallico. Cisalpine Gaul!

    Spoiler:
  • SarksusSarksus TEN FUCKING DOLLARS Registered User regular
    People should just stop having kids. They're a real pain in the ass.

  • HonkHonk Registered User regular
    The large glass-dildo in London is an office building then, I guess?

  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp! I can show you how to be a real man!Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    Passerbye wrote: »
    Passerbye wrote: »
    Guys it was just Cat using 'dudes' in a gender-neutral fashion. She's already explained herself, let's move on. It's not always about sexism with her, ok?

    Good grief.

    Except that word's not remotely related to anyone's objection. I, at least, am accusing her of calling people hypocrites without proof, not of being sexist or calling people sexist.

    Sigh. I wish I could say sorry about this, but the truth is I just don't give enough of a fuck to answer in any other way.

    Whatever you say, ghost fucker.

    Passer, you are not being helpful.

  • JakarrdJakarrd In the belly of OklahomaRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Kids aren't an excuse for working shorter hours, they're require things. And what do you think parents are doing when they leave to attend to them? I can assure you they're not sitting on their asses eating bonbons, and there's a good chance they'd actually rather be at work than stuck in traffic trying to make it to the childcare centre or school.

    I think your frustration is making you unreasonably judgemental of the demands parenting takes on one's time, and I think you of all people should be perceptive enough to understand that the structure of the workplace and the way we run our lives outside of work create these conflicts. Its not parents trying to screw you over by spawning as an excuse to slack off.

    But anyway, I'm going to work now. At 9:15, because I can.

    I'm frustrated that being a nonparent basically makes me a second-class citizen. No personal calls allowed at work... unless you're a parent. No working from home... unless you have kids to take care of. No tardiness... unless you have to drop your kids off at school. No leaving work early... unless you have to pick them up from school. Leave your personal issues at home... unless you have to bring your kids in one day because your nanny called in sick.

    They're clear, flagrant, discriminatory double standards. My feelings of frustration are entirely warranted.

    They are, Feral. I'm like that at my work with the many parents that work. I don't mind when they bring a little one up to show off or play around. But becuase I have no kids, I'm expected to pick up their slack no matter what. I don't get extra pay AND I get yelled at if I do it wrong in a way that the other person would have done it. They get to take time off and make it up with out using personal time. In some cases, they get time covered.

    I don't get that luxury. I can totally see where Feral and others are coming from in this regard. We do get treated differently and in some cases discriminated becuase we do not have a family that demands time.

    And in some cases we get yelled at for making a deal about it because it's a taboo subject.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Sarksus wrote: »
    Abdhyius wrote: »
    I don't know what cisgendered is and I don't want to.

    Good night!

    I have a suspicion it's a combination of 'cism and gender.

    Which would make it a fairly stupid term.

    Cis/trans. They're pre-fixes that are used for other things, too.

    I don't even understand what you're saying there.

    Well, take a class in chemistry/gender studies/a dictionary.

    It's awfully arrogant to assume that when someone doesn't understand a clipped statement you make it's because they are stupid rather than that you were being unclear. I understood the proper explanation posted just down from yours perfectly fine.

  • WinkyWinky Registered User regular
    Come play the LoL with me and Nerd.

    Before I have to go write a paper about flies.

    Fucking flies.

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  • SarksusSarksus TEN FUCKING DOLLARS Registered User regular
    What I'm getting from this conversation is that Liar Liar was wrong and work was more important than his kid.

    Are you calling Jim Carrey a liar.

  • HonkHonk Registered User regular
    Daxon wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Daxon wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    japan wrote: »
    Honk wrote: »
    Wow I just realised how borderline tiny the British Isles are, how do you fit 60 million people there?

    Shrink raysssssssssss!

    13 million of them live within the London metropolitan area.

    I understand the London metropolitan area is extremely large, maps told me this.

    Is there a moratorium on building highrises, like there is in Paris? Because there are very few tall buildings in London.

    I really wish large swathes of london would be torn down and rebuilt with high rises cause this would free up a lot of space to be used for things like parks, bigger roads, separate bike lanes, and generally improve the city.

    It's also more energy efficient.

    Most people I say this to get really upset at the thought of tearing down a ton of old 100+ year old houses with shit insulation, single-glazed windows, and terrible build design just because without them the "feel" of London wouldn't be preserved.

    I think it's fairly important to preserve the old buildings though.

    Stockholm is a decent example, the whole downtown area was torn down and rebuilt somewhere '50s-'60s. It is decidedly fugly, everyone knows and thinks this. Meanwhile - we have houses in Gamla Stan that are superb living quarters and that are from the 1500-1600's. They just modernized the insulation and stuff in general while keeping the shells intact. Also most of the interiours in many cases.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?q=kentish+town+road&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

    Street view it.

    It is fugly as shit, no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

    Whaaat, that looks pretty nice!

    If the houses were a bit cleaned up that would look like Greenwich Village, and people pay Texas to live there.

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