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[L.A Noire] - Phelps, you didn't use spoiler tags! You're a loose cannon!

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  • Bacon-BuTTyBacon-BuTTy Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I got to the end of Homicide.
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I am on to Vice and I have high hopes. I still love the game... I was just a little disappointed by Homicide. It was the desk I was looking forward to the most.

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  • Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Pemulis wrote: »
    So my partner (Galloway) won't get in the car with me any more. He just says "I'm busy here Phelps" if I try to make him drive. When I show up at a location he's there, but it's kind of annoying.

    Any ideas?

    Weird. I had this happen to me a couple of times, but holding down Y and asking him to drive broke him out of his endless investigating loop and got him to come over. I've never had him refuse to drive.

    He keeps doing it even after you quit and resume later?

  • TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I got to the end of Homicide.
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I am on to Vice and I have high hopes. I still love the game... I was just a little disappointed by Homicide. It was the desk I was looking forward to the most.
    Spoiler:

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  • KaseiusKaseius Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Beat it earlier. Enjoyed it up until about half way and which point I started losing interest.
    Spoiler:

    Ran down to the local Gamestop and traded it in for 45$. Yes. 8-)

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  • mspencermspencer Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    TeeMan wrote: »
    I got to the end of Homicide.
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I am on to Vice and I have high hopes. I still love the game... I was just a little disappointed by Homicide. It was the desk I was looking forward to the most.
    Spoiler:

    This is what I've been saying. In that situation (which I won't spoil) that piece of evidence wasn't going to shock the suspect into realizing you know more than he thought you knew. He could still believe that evidence was consistent with his story.

    You need to pick another piece of evidence that shows you know something he expects you don't know, which makes his story implausible. Or if there is no such evidence, pick "doubt" if you don't want to pick "truth."

    (edit) To put it another way, you are trying to manipulate the subject into telling the truth, not win a debate judged by an impartial observer. All that matters is whether the subject is moved by what you're confronting them with.

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action Still AwesomeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    You know... After hearing about "The New Kid" thing and thinking about Red (un)Dead Redemption...
    I wouldn't mind if there was an Automata case file DLC to work with somewhere down the line. Maybe 5 or so cases.

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  • apotheosapotheos Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited June 2011
    Pemulis wrote: »
    So my partner (Galloway) won't get in the car with me any more. He just says "I'm busy here Phelps" if I try to make him drive. When I show up at a location he's there, but it's kind of annoying.

    Any ideas?

    I had that. Never tried the force-them-to-drive solution, I just proceeded to the end of the mission. I missed some in-car dialogue and there were glitches in the investigations but it came out mostly ok.



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  • John ZoidbergJohn Zoidberg Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Nocren wrote: »
    You know... After hearing about "The New Kid" thing and thinking about Red (un)Dead Redemption...
    I wouldn't mind if there was an Automata case file DLC to work with somewhere down the line. Maybe 5 or so cases.

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    Spoiler:

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  • TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    mspencer wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    I got to the end of Homicide.
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I am on to Vice and I have high hopes. I still love the game... I was just a little disappointed by Homicide. It was the desk I was looking forward to the most.
    Spoiler:

    This is what I've been saying. In that situation (which I won't spoil) that piece of evidence wasn't going to shock the suspect into realizing you know more than he thought you knew. He could still believe that evidence was consistent with his story.

    You need to pick another piece of evidence that shows you know something he expects you don't know, which makes his story implausible. Or if there is no such evidence, pick "doubt" if you don't want to pick "truth."

    (edit) To put it another way, you are trying to manipulate the subject into telling the truth, not win a debate judged by an impartial observer. All that matters is whether the subject is moved by what you're confronting them with.

    Agreed, but it didn't make the moment any less annoying/jarring

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action Still AwesomeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Nocren wrote: »
    You know... After hearing about "The New Kid" thing and thinking about Red (un)Dead Redemption...
    I wouldn't mind if there was an Automata case file DLC to work with somewhere down the line. Maybe 5 or so cases.

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    Spoiler:

    Which is why it could only be a few cases.

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  • mspencermspencer Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Wait, did you see the refresh rate of his eye scanners change? He's lying! *accuse*

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    TeeMan wrote: »
    mspencer wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    I got to the end of Homicide.
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I am on to Vice and I have high hopes. I still love the game... I was just a little disappointed by Homicide. It was the desk I was looking forward to the most.
    Spoiler:

    This is what I've been saying. In that situation (which I won't spoil) that piece of evidence wasn't going to shock the suspect into realizing you know more than he thought you knew. He could still believe that evidence was consistent with his story.

    You need to pick another piece of evidence that shows you know something he expects you don't know, which makes his story implausible. Or if there is no such evidence, pick "doubt" if you don't want to pick "truth."

    (edit) To put it another way, you are trying to manipulate the subject into telling the truth, not win a debate judged by an impartial observer. All that matters is whether the subject is moved by what you're confronting them with.

    Agreed, but it didn't make the moment any less annoying/jarring

    What I did that made sense.
    Spoiler:

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  • mspencermspencer Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Right. To put it another way (because I think I'm terrible at explaining things, yet I really want this to make sense to people so they enjoy the game more):

    Many people think you select LIE when you have evidence that convinces you that the person is lying. LIE is not for starting a discussion about a piece of evidence that you both know that you have.

    You actually want to select LIE when you have evidence that convinces the other person that you know more than they thought you knew and you can see right through their lie.

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  • apotheosapotheos Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited June 2011
    I think "direct contradiction" is the best way to phrase it. All the reasons to select lie from the above example are derivations of common sense from the evidence, but not direct contradictions.

    Its also pretty clear when you call out a lie and its clearly not, you can backout then.



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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Basically if what they're saying is PLAUSABLE, albeit unlikely, hit doubt.

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  • TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I'm definitely looking forward to replaying some cases with that in mind.

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  • mspencermspencer Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    apotheos wrote: »
    I think "direct contradiction" is the best way to phrase it. All the reasons to select lie from the above example are derivations of common sense from the evidence, but not direct contradictions.

    Its also pretty clear when you call out a lie and its clearly not, you can backout then.

    I totally agree, but for the sake of clarity I still think it's important to say: it must be a direct contradiction of something the subject is lying about, where you suspect they are hoping or assuming you don't have the evidence that you have.

    It's a direct contradiction, and they will be shocked to learn that you know about it. That's when to pick LIE.

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  • PemulisPemulis Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    apotheos wrote: »
    Pemulis wrote: »
    So my partner (Galloway) won't get in the car with me any more. He just says "I'm busy here Phelps" if I try to make him drive. When I show up at a location he's there, but it's kind of annoying.

    Any ideas?

    I had that. Never tried the force-them-to-drive solution, I just proceeded to the end of the mission. I missed some in-car dialogue and there were glitches in the investigations but it came out mostly ok.

    Captain: It did continue even after quitting and playing later.

    It fixed itself after a couple of missions though, don't know what triggered it. He just got in the car at the station after a mission one time.

    It was a little bit funny, because he would run after the car, across the whole city if necessary. But if I got out and went over to him, or if he caught up with me, he would just ignore me again and walk all the way back to the last location. Really weird.

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  • SoundProofingSoundProofing Registered User
    edited June 2011
    Finished the game a couple of days ago. Thoughts:
    Spoiler:

    I am already considering the Rockstar Pass for this game. It really has hooked into me and now that I got the story out of the way, I would like some more red meat.

  • SoundProofingSoundProofing Registered User
    edited June 2011
    Anyone play "Slip of the Tongue" or "The Naked City"? I'd like someone's opinion on them because I am considering using the Rockstar Pass to get them. I would appreciate it.

  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Naked City has one big reveal that has nothing to do with plot, but was awesome if you like the game and the world its in. Its only very briefly addressed in the on disc cases and never explained otherwise.

    Case itself was fun.

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  • Bacon-BuTTyBacon-BuTTy Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    mxmarks wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    mspencer wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    I got to the end of Homicide.
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I am on to Vice and I have high hopes. I still love the game... I was just a little disappointed by Homicide. It was the desk I was looking forward to the most.
    Spoiler:

    This is what I've been saying. In that situation (which I won't spoil) that piece of evidence wasn't going to shock the suspect into realizing you know more than he thought you knew. He could still believe that evidence was consistent with his story.

    You need to pick another piece of evidence that shows you know something he expects you don't know, which makes his story implausible. Or if there is no such evidence, pick "doubt" if you don't want to pick "truth."

    (edit) To put it another way, you are trying to manipulate the subject into telling the truth, not win a debate judged by an impartial observer. All that matters is whether the subject is moved by what you're confronting them with.

    Agreed, but it didn't make the moment any less annoying/jarring

    What I did that made sense.
    Spoiler:



    Yeah I got that too, actually.

    But nobody ever explained the other items.

    Especially...

    ESPECIALLY...
    Spoiler:

    Why did he have those?

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  • CygnusZCygnusZ Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    mxmarks wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    mspencer wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    I got to the end of Homicide.
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I am on to Vice and I have high hopes. I still love the game... I was just a little disappointed by Homicide. It was the desk I was looking forward to the most.
    Spoiler:

    This is what I've been saying. In that situation (which I won't spoil) that piece of evidence wasn't going to shock the suspect into realizing you know more than he thought you knew. He could still believe that evidence was consistent with his story.

    You need to pick another piece of evidence that shows you know something he expects you don't know, which makes his story implausible. Or if there is no such evidence, pick "doubt" if you don't want to pick "truth."

    (edit) To put it another way, you are trying to manipulate the subject into telling the truth, not win a debate judged by an impartial observer. All that matters is whether the subject is moved by what you're confronting them with.

    Agreed, but it didn't make the moment any less annoying/jarring

    What I did that made sense.
    Spoiler:



    Yeah I got that too, actually.

    But nobody ever explained the other items.

    Especially...

    ESPECIALLY...
    Spoiler:

    Why did he have those?

    Keep on playing to discover the underwhelming and disappointing answer to your question!

  • Bacon-BuTTyBacon-BuTTy Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    CygnusZ wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    mspencer wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    I got to the end of Homicide.
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I am on to Vice and I have high hopes. I still love the game... I was just a little disappointed by Homicide. It was the desk I was looking forward to the most.
    Spoiler:

    This is what I've been saying. In that situation (which I won't spoil) that piece of evidence wasn't going to shock the suspect into realizing you know more than he thought you knew. He could still believe that evidence was consistent with his story.

    You need to pick another piece of evidence that shows you know something he expects you don't know, which makes his story implausible. Or if there is no such evidence, pick "doubt" if you don't want to pick "truth."

    (edit) To put it another way, you are trying to manipulate the subject into telling the truth, not win a debate judged by an impartial observer. All that matters is whether the subject is moved by what you're confronting them with.

    Agreed, but it didn't make the moment any less annoying/jarring

    What I did that made sense.
    Spoiler:



    Yeah I got that too, actually.

    But nobody ever explained the other items.

    Especially...

    ESPECIALLY...
    Spoiler:

    Why did he have those?

    Keep on playing to discover the underwhelming and disappointing answer to your question!


    I'm in Vice now.

    So I'm done.

    Care to enlighten me?

    Or do you mean I will eventually find out after having finished Homicide?

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  • PepperSinclairePepperSinclaire Registered User
    edited June 2011
    No matter how hard I try, I can't stop playing this like I'm Francis York Morgan from Deadly Premonition.

    I've been driving around recklessly (thinking about how much of a cash drain I'm being on the city and not caring), trying to drive up things I can't drive up, making Phelps run off cliffs and into traffic, investigating spoons and forks for far too long, standing around in diners, hijacking cars and then getting straight out of them again...

    If only you could control the windscreen wipers and turn signals on cars. I'll have to make do with turning the siren on and off in time with the radio music, I guess. If you time it just right it sounds kinda like a seal barking.

    Oh yeah, and I solve the odd crime here and there. When I've got time.

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  • AnteCantelopeAnteCantelope Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I once parked on the edge of a cliff, facing out. Then I got out, walked to the other side, and told my partner to drive. He gets in and slams on the accelerator. The screen fades out to a loading screen half a second before I hit the ground.

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action Still AwesomeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Ok, I just finished Traffic and I did it all in Black and White. And after watching my brother play through half of those cases (the first two anyway) in color, I gotta say... I think I almost prefer it in Monochrome.
    It just seems to work better. The only thing missing is the metaphor-heavy voice over.

    Still though... TWICE in the final shootout on the last Traffic case, a cop RUNS in front of me while I'm shooting the bad guys. And not at the beginning of the firefight either, no, I've got 2 guys left hiding behind a car, I'm also behind cover and the patrolman runs in front of MY position. He's not even in the middle of the kill area, he's RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME.

    Also, running into Marv (though I guess he goes by Frank Morgan now) just made me wish for another Tex Murphy game...

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  • NaturalNarcissistNaturalNarcissist Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Hey guys, care to settle a bet for me? End of game/Beginning of Arson spoilers I suppose...
    Spoiler:

  • CygnusZCygnusZ Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    CygnusZ wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    mspencer wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    I got to the end of Homicide.
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I am on to Vice and I have high hopes. I still love the game... I was just a little disappointed by Homicide. It was the desk I was looking forward to the most.
    Spoiler:

    This is what I've been saying. In that situation (which I won't spoil) that piece of evidence wasn't going to shock the suspect into realizing you know more than he thought you knew. He could still believe that evidence was consistent with his story.

    You need to pick another piece of evidence that shows you know something he expects you don't know, which makes his story implausible. Or if there is no such evidence, pick "doubt" if you don't want to pick "truth."

    (edit) To put it another way, you are trying to manipulate the subject into telling the truth, not win a debate judged by an impartial observer. All that matters is whether the subject is moved by what you're confronting them with.

    Agreed, but it didn't make the moment any less annoying/jarring

    What I did that made sense.
    Spoiler:



    Yeah I got that too, actually.

    But nobody ever explained the other items.

    Especially...

    ESPECIALLY...
    Spoiler:

    Why did he have those?

    Keep on playing to discover the underwhelming and disappointing answer to your question!


    I'm in Vice now.

    So I'm done.

    Care to enlighten me?

    Or do you mean I will eventually find out after having finished Homicide?
    Spoiler:

  • Bacon-BuTTyBacon-BuTTy Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    CygnusZ wrote: »
    CygnusZ wrote: »
    mxmarks wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    mspencer wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    I got to the end of Homicide.
    Spoiler:

    Anyway, I am on to Vice and I have high hopes. I still love the game... I was just a little disappointed by Homicide. It was the desk I was looking forward to the most.
    Spoiler:

    This is what I've been saying. In that situation (which I won't spoil) that piece of evidence wasn't going to shock the suspect into realizing you know more than he thought you knew. He could still believe that evidence was consistent with his story.

    You need to pick another piece of evidence that shows you know something he expects you don't know, which makes his story implausible. Or if there is no such evidence, pick "doubt" if you don't want to pick "truth."

    (edit) To put it another way, you are trying to manipulate the subject into telling the truth, not win a debate judged by an impartial observer. All that matters is whether the subject is moved by what you're confronting them with.

    Agreed, but it didn't make the moment any less annoying/jarring

    What I did that made sense.
    Spoiler:



    Yeah I got that too, actually.

    But nobody ever explained the other items.

    Especially...

    ESPECIALLY...
    Spoiler:

    Why did he have those?

    Keep on playing to discover the underwhelming and disappointing answer to your question!


    I'm in Vice now.

    So I'm done.

    Care to enlighten me?

    Or do you mean I will eventually find out after having finished Homicide?
    Spoiler:


    At first I was just confused and thought that I didn't like Homicide.

    I really didn't like Homicide.

    It's been kind of a disappointing series of events, since I fucking loved this game right up to about one third of the way into Homicide. Nothing felt right for the whole desk. I understand that they were trying to present this overarching storyline but it was like they couldn't make their minds up.

    All of Homicide Desk in a nutshell [SPOILERS] -
    Spoiler:

    I hope shit like that is left behind and Vice picks back up into being awesome again.

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  • NaturalNarcissistNaturalNarcissist Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Regarding Homicide:
    Spoiler:

  • B:LB:L Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Finished the game, absolutely disappointed:
    Spoiler:

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  • NaturalNarcissistNaturalNarcissist Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Spoiler:

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus IT'S DARE! Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Except the first newspaper in the last mission, you mean.

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  • SoundProofingSoundProofing Registered User
    edited June 2011
    Ugh, got to the end of the "Consul's Car" Traffic Case. Was anybody able to finish it?
    Spoiler:

    Anybody else with a PS3 can verify this? I'd like to finish this case. It was getting good.

  • Skull2185Skull2185 is an A-hole. but not 100% a dick.Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    So I can't decide if this rockstar pass thing is worth it.

    Is it? Don't really care about the suits, but the cases would be nice.

    It's like the N-word and the C-word had a baby, and it was raised by all the bad words for Jews.
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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    So I can't decide if this rockstar pass thing is worth it.

    Is it? Don't really care about the suits, but the cases would be nice.

    If you want all the cases, its a hell of a deal. Even getting one for free from a pre-order I still saved $2 on the cases alone, and got the suits and stuff for free essentially.

    Cases are $4 a pop, pass is $10.

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  • SlortexSlortex In my chairRegistered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Ugh, got to the end of the "Consul's Car" Traffic Case. Was anybody able to finish it?
    Spoiler:

    Anybody else with a PS3 can verify this? I'd like to finish this case. It was getting good.

    i finished it without a hitch. I'm running on a slim model. The only thing after the arrest of Delgado is the end cutscene and your mission score, so if you continue to have problems, you should be able to find the ending on youtube and not miss anything.

  • NaturalNarcissistNaturalNarcissist Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    Slip of the Tongue is rather pointless. It's not bad but rather... just kind of there. And people talking about it containing "foreshadowing" are really pushing things though. Still, spending time with Bekowsky is always welcome.

    Naked City is a blast though. A great central storyline with plenty of twists, it's also one of the longest cases in the game with plenty of interrogations. Plus it fleshes out Roy Earle a bit more, and contains a fun moment with some familiar faces. Definitely worth your time.

  • SteevLSteevL What can I do for you? Registered User regular
    edited June 2011
    I just started playing this last night and actually managed to screw up the interrogation with Mr. Kalou, believe it or not. I quickly started the interrogation over, despite my initial intent to live with any poor decisions I made. Oh well!

    I also got the Rockstar pass.

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