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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    New song lyric dump, and some others.

    Spoilered for sideways scroll.
    Spoiler:

    Spoilered for whole song
    Spoiler:

    Continuing the lyrics for the song spoilered up there.

    This one I didn't want to draw all the faces. Got a little lazy.
    hahaqm.jpg
    I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANATOMY... Man I can't wait to get my book in the mail.
    deviloqq.jpg
    People said this looked like a walrus. I'll give em that. It is supposed to be a top perspective + sillhouette (sp?) of a dude crying. IDK if that reads well.
    walrus0001.jpg

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    predatorw.jpg

    A little office doodle on a sticky note. In regular ink, head too big, legs too small, boobs ridiculous, and light coming from the wrong direction.

    Had fun though. Reminds me of predator a bit. Or Alien.

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  • farbekriegfarbekrieg Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I wanted to post a productive crit of your 5 minute reference photo but I couldnt come up with anything worth while so ill give you my impression, it probably took me 2 or 3 minutes to figure out it was two people kissing, im unsure if the picture is cluttered, the extreme close up nature, but i thought those glasses were a bent fork.

    now that i can see it im not sure what i was missing before

  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thanks farb. It was pretty close up, taken with a phone.

    I've been looking at some ACer's old work, and even Dverse's resolution uploads and God, I feel like such a dumbass even uploading this shit.

    Wanted to practice some gestures after seeing some in the resolution thread.
    moardewdles.jpg

    Continuing the song lyrics.
    bornintoahell.jpg
    I never wanted to wake to this.
    wakingup.jpg
    [/SPOILER]

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    Spoiler:

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    hammer1.jpg
    hammer2.jpg

    FUCK I suck... :(

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  • NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Keep practicing, dude. I would do more anatomy/life studies.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    NibCrom wrote: »
    Keep practicing, dude. I would do more anatomy/life studies.

    Thanks, Nib. I can't wait to get home so I can actually start doing all this stuff people suggest me to do!!!
    Man this is frustrating.
    I'm kind of at a loss for what else to say, so I'm just going to say it. I'm on a FOB overseas, I don't really have many recourses at my disposal. I'm on a work laptop with most sights blocked and cant download or install anything, I ordered an anatomy book that hasn't gotten here yet (over a month in the mail :( ) I have maybe 2 hrs a day off, and spend the 1 hr I'm not doing personal hygeine drawing and listening to music and I have to fit personal fitness in there somewhere, and by then its dark out and people are turning the lights off. And on top of all that my DVD payer bit the dust last week.

    Having said that. I'm having a hard time finding life studies to draw. Any ideas or suggestions, y'know with those constraints in mind, would be helful. I WANT to practice. I WANT to get cracking on fundamentals, but I read something on here, and write it down, but when I go home to actually do it, It's fail-tastic.

    UGH, sorry about that rant.

    I appreciate all of your feedback. I'm doing what I can with it. I just don't know what else I can do. That book needs to hurry the fuck up and get here.

    This is from my friends compewter, watching East Bound and Down. Funny show.
    kennypowers.jpg

    Not sure why he looks like a mexican...

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited January 2011
    If you have a few lamps and a mirror or two, you can do a lot with very little. Just set up little still lives out of whatever you have. Very basic stuff is good for structure, cups, bottles, anything that you can put a light on and draw.

    You can also start drawing yourself for life drawings, Its not optimal, but its a start.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thanks Iruka. I'll have to procure a mirror, but that sounds like a start. I've got a light, and can go ahead and do that.

    What is the mirror for? :P sorry, I = new :(

    also quick self reference in the question thread
    ninjai wrote: »
    so uh, heh, I was looking at my amazon account to figure out why I hadn't received my anatomy book, and it turns out my shipping information was incorrect, so it was returned to sender.

    Now that I have this opportunity to order again, any specific book you recommend for anatomy?

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited January 2011
    The mirror is for drawing your face and your hand. If you get a bigger one you can draw more of yourself.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Iruka wrote: »
    The mirror is for drawing your face and your hand. If you get a bigger one you can draw more of yourself.

    Ha ha, durr. Y didn't i think of that /facepalm

    I = a little slow :(

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    50574941.jpg

    Drawing from life.

    My M9, and tether/holster/magazine and a few rounds.

    Did this yesterday about 2 hrs.

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  • MustangMustang Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I must admit a slight disappointment at there being no drawing of Kenny Rogers with super powers.

  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Ha ha. The sad thing is it doesn't look like either kenny powers or kenny rogers :(

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    shitcar.jpg

    continuing to draw from life. i was maybe 15-20 minutes in when he drove off, so I just scribbled it in and called it a night. :( Will keep doing this. Very challenging

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Continuing to draw from life. Had to wait at the laundromat for my laundry. This is the view sitting on the tin steps outside the door, smoking mah pipe.

    As it turns out I'm terrible at drawing circles, they're either too big, too small, or lopsided. X( those tires are tiny as balls. Reminds me of charlie brown's motorcycle race.
    laundromat.jpg

    So I got my pens this week. This is me playing with them yesterday waiting for my laundry to get done.
    inks10001.jpg

    I scanned this second one twice, the darks look better, but the white looks too dark.
    This one is the favorite of the 2 scans, so I'll spoiler the second one.
    scan0012n.jpg
    Spoiler:



    EDIT: Any tips or tutorials on inking? EWA gave me one a while ago on line variation, but it seems like I'm attacking these lines at random, I have no idea what I'm doing, but its fun :D

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I was on facebook chatting with a friend yesterday, and she had this idea "You draw me something, I'll draw something for you." She said she would like a "bunny.... wearing....

    headphones?"

    So I decided instead of just a rabbit with headphones I'd be a little more creative, so I grabbed some rabbit photos and did some studies. (I also learned that replicating something reverse of the image is a fun challenge! c skull)


    rabbitstudies.jpg



    And I took a few photoz with my nintendo DSI and came up with this.



    bunnyheadphones.jpg



    I've got some references for DJ kits/turntables n such, + headphones, need to take a picture of me with my arm to my headphone.

    Anything blatantly wrong? Maybe the fisheye thing isn't working...

    Also going to rotate the pointer finger a little to the left (audience)

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    somethin
    turntables.jpg

    Making slow headway. Changed some stuff: Fingers, sleeve other hand, added the table. Not happy with the table, going to overhaul it, and I cant quite get the other hand right.
    Spoiler:

    Edit:

    I keep seeing the view go up by 100 at a time, but no comments :( I guess that means I'm not doing anything wrong?

    Also, I still have no idea how to ink stuff. I'm just scared I'm going to ruin a perfectly good pencil drawing by trying to ink it when I don't know how... :(

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Inked this one. It didn't really instill confidence for when I ink the cyberpunk one. :( Skrewed up a lot.

    bunnyheadphonesfinal.jpg

    My first commission! YAY. The guy said "I want a evil joker with evil joker hands biting the tip off a nos bottle." So I did this in about 5 minutes. He said it was what he was looking for, so I'm working on the bigger one, better comp imo, forgot the book its in at the hewtch :( . Need som references for those jingly hats he's wearing, an other shit.

    jokersmallc.jpg

    practicin
    dsir.jpg

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  • IrukaIruka Registered User, Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    edited February 2011
    The inks don't look bad for a first go at it. Inking takes a looong time to get good at, its a skill I need to spend more time on.

    Your jesters finger is blending into its head, you probably want to move that hand over.

    I think your shape studies are going in the right direction. Try experimenting with your shading. Cycle through a bunch of different motions (little slow circles, very light sweeping strokes, things like that) Shading with the form will also help (AOBs image here:
    1900_girl.jpg )

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Iruka wrote: »
    The inks don't look bad for a first go at it. Inking takes a looong time to get good at, its a skill I need to spend more time on.

    Your jesters finger is blending into its head, you probably want to move that hand over.

    I think your shape studies are going in the right direction. Try experimenting with your shading. Cycle through a bunch of different motions (little slow circles, very light sweeping strokes, things like that) Shading with the form will also help (AOBs image here:
    1900_girl.jpg )


    It took me a minute to figure out what he was getting at with the picture, but after a solid 2 minutes of looking I got it :/ Thanks for the input.

    I really wasn't completely happy with the joker, the bird was a late add also, thought it would add to the rebellious tone of the image, so I changed it up a bit on the bigger one. I'm going to upload that and get some feedback on it before I move any further, but I left that sketchbook at my place, so I'll have to be sure and grab it tomorrow.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    honkhonkmotherfucker.jpg

    This is what I'm working on now for the joker.
    Could use some feedback before I go any further.

    also, HONK HONK MOTHERFUCKER

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    dsgt.jpg

    A doodle I did at work. Sorry I haven't posted in so long. Work is bizzy, and I ran out of paper. They were also getting kind of upset with me useing the scanner every other day for leisure. So I've had to cut back on that.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Did this from reference. Halfway done with the creature, and KOOL AID

    Original

    abara2q.jpg

    edit: Having taken slept between working on it, I realize how far off the shapes are :( His look like overlapping layers of bone, mine looks like mush :(

    So, first time in 5 or 6 months I've tried anything digital. Was using gimp before. I <3 the pressure options on photoshop, line variation and I don't have to change the line width every 2 seconds. Good times :D

    Gonna be doing lots of stuff in photoshop now. This project was just to get me familiar with doing lines, some of the hotkeys etc, I've got a color project I'm going to do to introduce me to color picker and my first time trying to paint something. We'll see how that goes when I get to it :D

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    So here it is, my first go at painting ever!!! Well, aside from crayola watercolors as a kid.

    toweli.jpg

    So from here on, along with your critiques, any tips or experience you guys can share with photoshop and painting in general would be invaluable. The reason being, you could tell me what to fix, and I would have no idea how to do that. Thanks so much for all your help so far!

    I spent about 4n'ahalf hours drawing yesterday and don't have much to show for it. :( I'm probably going to take today off. Art is exhausting :P

    Edit:

    On the topic of photoshop help, I like the towel, but its pretty blurry, I couldn't figure out how to make an edge without making it look like a sloppy mess of color.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    SO I lied about taking the day off yesterday. After watching a lot of FZD videos on youtube, I was super excited to get home and continue playing with PS. Little did I know how frustrated I would get by the end of the night, starting with a paint study that didn't go so well then learning lots of hard lessons about photoshop. Thankfully, I came away with one thing that I liked.


    "Once I became trapped in this suit, I was compelled..."
    deathbringerq.jpg

    I like the way this one is coming along. I need to figure out something to do for the legs aside Mr Many Belts like the arms.

    The perspective on the Lighter is off also, need to fix that. Gonna add smoke coming from the gun and fix some of the linework on his left arm.


    Things I wasn't so happy with.
    Spoiler:

    Edit: I can't help but notice this threads view count going up by the hundreds, so either A) I'm not doing anything wrong, or more likely B) I'm so miserable that there's nothing to critique :(

    I'll go with B for now.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Update:

    Fixes:
    Head was too egg shaped, the lighter perspective, did some stuff with the legs. Tried to incorporate the running jacket lines I had on the shoulders elswhere, desaturated some of the whites to add shadows or something...

    deathbringer2.jpg

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  • melting_dollmelting_doll Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    You've definitely progressed a lot so far already, ninjai! Keep it up!

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    cyberpunk2cropped.jpg

    Not finished. Just cropped and blacked out so I could upload it to get feedback.
    Spoiler:





    Also, How can I sell elastic material around the knee area with the armor piece there?

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  • NibCromNibCrom Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I think the piece would be stronger with a less ambiguous light source. It kind of looks like there is light coming from above the guy, but I would expect more highlights on the jacket and more shading on the underside of the pants. It looks like you just picked some random lines for the monitor to be highlighted instead of thinking about what planes and edges might stand out.

    Also, that looks like a pretty pedestrian monitor for a setup that is otherwise elaborate.

    Keep practicing! Finished pieces are good, but sketchbooks full of mistakes can teach you greatly!

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    NibCrom wrote: »
    Also, that looks like a pretty pedestrian monitor for a setup that is otherwise elaborate.

    THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK NIB!!! :D

    That was just a placeholder. It was late that night and didn't have time to do anything with it.

    Also about the lightsource. Its supposed to be the monitor, but like dimly lit, I don't know how exactly you'd do soft light using black and white, though I do see what you mean about it coming from the top.

    What I did was blacked out the jacket and pants and erased all the highlights in the direction of the monitor, but the shadows were a little random.

    I didn't work on it yesterday, was pretty exhausted when I got home and went to sleep. I'll keep this stuff in mind and try to fix it.

    The monitor is placeholder. :P

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    This guy is too damn fun to draw.

    deathbringergarenteezoo.jpg

    I had to get a saying in there. :D I like the idea of this guy adapting other catch phrases for his own use.
    Spoiler:

    UPGRADE TODAY!!!

    conquer.jpg

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Thumbnails:
    Spoiler:

    Help me :(

    I can do thumbnails, funn stuff that I'd probably spend days on if I knew WHERE TO GO AFTER I GET HERE! I have like 50 files like this on my computer, I just don't know what to do now. Everything looks like shit when I try to build it up.

    Primary problem, using 100% flow/opac? I don't even know.

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  • PhthanoPhthano Registered User
    edited March 2011
    Those are really excellent thumbnails.

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Everyone has a different work process when it comes to digital painting, but have you looked at some speedpainting demos? example. Speedpaints are a way to put down an initial idea without getting bogged down in the detail at too early a stage, which can lead to uneven values or poor composition. They also help you practise conveying light and form and colour and contrast quickly and economically. Then, if you want to start detailing later, you've got a good foundation to work with and pulling it together is relatively quick.

    On that note, I'm having a lot of trouble getting an idea of light direction and three-dimensional form from your thumbnails. Light in general seems like a bit of an issue in your work. One place to start might simply to be to enlarge what you have and start working on planes, maybe just sticking with greyscale but trying to solidify the forms and bring in a sense of depth and groundedness.

  • AstoriteAstorite Registered User
    edited March 2011
    I saw that you were questioning line variation a page back, and just wanted to chime in about the "randomness" of where to put thicker/thinner lines. There are a wide variation of reasons to make a line thicker, but there are some general rules you can follow:

    - The heavier the shadow on an edge, the thicker the line. Line width conveys lighting.
    - The closer an edge is to the viewer, the thicker the line. Line width conveys depth/perspective.
    - Sometimes, an artist will place thicker lines on the outline of an object, to separate the figure from the background.

    I'll also agree that lighting seems to be one of the big issues you have. I'd say that basic forms/structure are something you would want to work on too. I saw that sphere you did a couple of pages back, and think that's a good idea, but take it to the next level. Find something like an orange, apple, and a box, put them somewhere with some directional light like a desk lamp, and then draw it all from different angles. Paint them as well. That alone will help a lot.

    Cool progress, though. The mask guy is pretty groovy.

    Uh.
  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE FEEDBACK!!!

    Thanks for the kind words pthano. I read that last night, and put a big stupid smile on my face. Awesome :)

    @ Tynic, the problem is, I can't get past the "speedpaint" stage into adding detail. Today's example below. I can plane stuff out, but I don't know where to go from there. As for the light, I'm doing a 3 tone thumbnail, not too much value left for adding a light source, just getting the comps down. The thumbnails were just cuz I was getting frustrated, saying, "If I could do this better..." what kind of illustrations I would want to do, so I threw those down.



    If you get this the first time, you're a bigger nerd than anyone I care to meet.

    If you get it after the first time, you're still a huge nerd.

    Staff is placeholder, probably going to switch which hand he's holding it in. cuz its covering up the armor
    warlockmd.jpg

    Another thumbnail
    I did a group of these, but they were pretty hideous for the most part.
    warpgate2.jpg

    eve online much?

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Those aren't speedpaints, though, they're sketches. A speedpaint tackles the whole canvas at once, not just building up little areas or a figure but really working with the canvas, almost as if it's a sculpture. Anyway, it's just one approach.

    If you want to add detail, then work big and once you've got a basic sketch down, think really hard about what you want the finished product to look like. What kind of material is each element made of? What texture should it have? Where is the light coming from, and how will it interact with that material? How smooth or lumpy should the contours be? Etc. Then you go in and make it match as best you can to your inner vision. There's no trick or special technique, you just have to do it and learn as you go.

    Also a three-tone thumbnail is all about light. It's not just about differentiating foreground, midground, background, it's about simplifying a realistic scene so what's compositionally important stands out, and the only way to do that is with light. The bottom one of your latest post plays with that a bit more.

  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm going to second Tynic's suggestion to work big.

    When I'm doodling or just starting something out my canvases are usually around 3000 x 3000 pixels at 300 dpi, and I'll usually resize the canvas a bit during the process to make it bigger and/or change the composition. The bigger the canvas is, the easier it will be for you to add detail.

    If you're really trying to speedpaint scenes and environments, then experiment with brushes. Different textures different sizes, different settings. Mess around for a bit, then copy the entire image, paste it on a layer above, resize or flip the layer and switch the layer setting to overlay. Or just play with the layer settings.

    The added randomness in the early stages of a painting will reveal forms or effects that you may not have considered.

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  • ninjaininjai Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    @ Tynic: Hadn't really thought about just doing it :P I thought that was something you learned then applied. I'll give it a shot on my witchdoctor guy. Imma need to find some more references though

    The process I've been doing thus far is starting at around 400x300 and the blowing up the image to 3000x 2400? (i suck at math) for stuff that I've been working to finish. (like the cyberpunk guy) but over time, I feel like I run out of space, even though I see finished stuff with WAY more detail, I don't know how to refine. I guess I'll just have to figure it out then :D

    I swear this program is one big toy. Everyone should have one.

    @ Chico, I <3 the random shapes that appear, like in the spaceport one, theres this building I just want to blow up an spend a week on cuz it looks unintentionally cool.

    What does overlay do? I don't even know how to use textures :P

    Anyone know of any good custom brushes? I've seen them posted before, but idfk where to find them again lol :(

    edit: It just ocurred to me how much I emote :o

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