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Making fun of the world [Lindsay Lohan]

SolarSolar Registered User regular
edited December 2010 in Singularity Engine++
OK so Julian Assange has released a bunch of documents, to the joy of some and the embaressment of others.

Also North and South Korea are at it again.

The world is in a state ladies and gentlement, and it's our job to talk about it fruitlessly right here.

Go!

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  • StaleghotiStaleghoti Registered User
    edited November 2010
    dos monthos

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  • StraightziStraightzi I love thee, I'm charm'd by thy beauty, dear boy! And if thou'rt unwilling, then force I'll employ.Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I can't decide if I want to be pleased or angry with wikileaks right now

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  • THEPAIN73THEPAIN73 Shiny. Real shiny.Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    can someone TL;DR this whole wikileaks thing for me?

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  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    You people need to remember that I am fast on my way to becoming God Emperor of the Earth and Sol System.

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Straightzi wrote: »
    I can't decide if I want to be pleased or angry with wikileaks right now

    you know how you talk about your friends to your significant other?

    wikileaks is the significant other that tells everyone what you said

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Macro9 wrote: »
    You people need to remember that I am fast on my way to becoming God Emperor of the Earth and Sol System.

    To bad they the Sol jump node will be destroyed in the great war.

    Then you'll be stuck there.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    can someone TL;DR this whole wikileaks thing for me?

    Wikileaks got a bunch of diplomatic cables from a US government leak, some classified some not, and have released it for public consumption. Generally the interesting bits are about US diplomats making disparing comments about foreign dignitaries, which is rather amusing, though not especially so. Some people think this is great because it lights a fire under the ass of the US gov and down with the shadow government and all that, others think it's rather childish, seeing as there is nothing illegal in the documents publishing them is basically the equivalent of tabloid journalism.

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    can someone TL;DR this whole wikileaks thing for me?

    wikileaks released secret US diplomatic cables (aka what US diplomats are saying to each other).

    Some interesting stuff, some hilarious stuff, even some damaging stuff.

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  • StraightziStraightzi I love thee, I'm charm'd by thy beauty, dear boy! And if thou'rt unwilling, then force I'll employ.Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Mysst wrote: »
    Straightzi wrote: »
    I can't decide if I want to be pleased or angry with wikileaks right now

    you know how you talk about your friends to your significant other?

    wikileaks is the significant other that tells everyone what you said

    Pretty much!

    I mean, on one hand, I'm a big fan of freedom of information and anti-censorship movements and so on.

    On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of nuclear terror and world wars, and while I don't think that will start explicitly due to this, it's certainly increasing tensions.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Uriel wrote: »
    Macro9 wrote: »
    You people need to remember that I am fast on my way to becoming God Emperor of the Earth and Sol System.

    To bad they the Sol jump node will be destroyed in the great war.

    Then you'll be stuck there.

    I still haven't finished that game. I lost my save file halfway through, and the cheats are a pain to use.

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  • KarlKarl Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Uriel wrote: »
    Macro9 wrote: »
    You people need to remember that I am fast on my way to becoming God Emperor of the Earth and Sol System.

    To bad they the Sol jump node will be destroyed in the great war.

    Then you'll be stuck there.

    Stop making me sad that there will never be a Freespace 3. :cry:

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    For the record I do not like Julian Assange.

    He seems like a colossal douchebag.

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  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Uriel wrote: »
    Macro9 wrote: »
    You people need to remember that I am fast on my way to becoming God Emperor of the Earth and Sol System.

    To bad they the Sol jump node will be destroyed in the great war.

    Then you'll be stuck there.

    Then I'll be the Nicolas Sarkozy of interstellar space travel

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    basically, releasing this type of information has nothing at all to do with government transparency and everything to do with showing how big an asshole you can be

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Macro9 wrote: »
    You people need to remember that I am fast on my way to becoming God Emperor of the Earth and Sol System.

    Yes but I am The Sentry.

    ...

    I'm not sure what my point is here.

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Mysst wrote: »
    basically, releasing this type of information has nothing at all to do with government transparency and everything to do with showing how big an asshole you can be

    At least until he gets served the Swedish warrant

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    MKR wrote: »
    Uriel wrote: »
    Macro9 wrote: »
    You people need to remember that I am fast on my way to becoming God Emperor of the Earth and Sol System.

    To bad they the Sol jump node will be destroyed in the great war.

    Then you'll be stuck there.

    I still haven't finished that game. I lost my save file halfway through, and the cheats are a pain to use.

    I actually haven't finished Freespace 2 myself.

    I always get to the Interceptor missions and lose a bunch and give up.

    I loaded it the other day and plugged in my X-52 but for some reason my afterburners wouldn't fire in one of the first missions.

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  • UbikUbik i am a god in a french-ass restaurantRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    no megathreads

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Solar wrote: »
    THEPAIN73 wrote: »
    can someone TL;DR this whole wikileaks thing for me?

    Wikileaks got a bunch of diplomatic cables from a US government leak, some classified some not, and have released it for public consumption. Generally the interesting bits are about US diplomats making disparing comments about foreign dignitaries, which is rather amusing, though not especially so. Some people think this is great because it lights a fire under the ass of the US gov and down with the shadow government and all that, others think it's rather childish, seeing as there is nothing illegal in the documents publishing them is basically the equivalent of tabloid journalism.

    It has also made China look like asses, and also shows that every country around Iran wants to kill them. Really, some of the documents really exonerate the US. Everyone is like "Oh that US, they just hate Iran and they're gonna eventually move their military in because they are blood thirsty murderers."

    When, turns out, that is the opposite of what is happening, and it's every other country in the region trying to push us into a military conflict.

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Ubik wrote: »
    no megathreads

    Wikileaks != Megathread.

    Nice try Supreme Court Judge Ubik.

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  • KeldonusKeldonus Registered User
    edited November 2010
    I am a fan of the fact, revealed in the leak, that China does not have North Korea's back at all. I think a lot of the Kim clan's bluster is backed up on the assumption that if things come to blows, China will step in on their behalf, as they did in the 1950s. China, however, appears to feel otherwise.

    Also, I enjoyed learning that much of the Muslim world hates Iran, with the Saudi King repeatedly asking America to just go ahead and bomb their nuclear facilities already. Similar to the North Korea/China situation, I think that the Iranian leadership assumed that if war broke out, the rest of the Muslim countries in the region would have their back vs Israel/America/NATO, but these cable show that not to be the case.

    Having countries that are actively bad turn out to be totally isolated is probably a good thing, as, I would hope, knowing they have no support would make them less bellicose.

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  • UbikUbik i am a god in a french-ass restaurantRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Ubik wrote: »
    no megathreads

    Wikileaks != Megathread.

    Nice try Supreme Court Judge Ubik.

    I'm just judgin'

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  • Zen VulgarityZen Vulgarity What a lovely day for tea Secret British ThreadRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Politics megathread sighted

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Select a mod, and then select your megathread.

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  • SwillSwill Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    okay

    so i don't fully understand why this would be perceived as a bad thing

    could someone explain to me what is so wrong?

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  • UbikUbik i am a god in a french-ass restaurantRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Wikileaks is all up in our business

    That's why America's hair is so big

    It's full of secrets

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  • EndEnd Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Maybe we should just have a meta megathread, where we bicker about what constitutes as a megathread.

    But if we're following what the North Korea thread was about, we'd just talk about Wikileaks and North Korea mostly, which is what the OP was trying to get with this thread.
    Swill wrote: »
    okay

    so i don't fully understand why this would be perceived as a bad thing

    could someone explain to me what is so wrong?

    With the wikileaks thing? Well, some things are better left secret. Nuclear launch codes are pretty obvious. Diplomatic cables less so.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Swill wrote: »
    okay

    so i don't fully understand why this would be perceived as a bad thing

    could someone explain to me what is so wrong?

    Because all the gossipy kids at school read America's diary.

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  • KarlKarl Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Uriel wrote: »
    MKR wrote: »
    Uriel wrote: »
    Macro9 wrote: »
    You people need to remember that I am fast on my way to becoming God Emperor of the Earth and Sol System.

    To bad they the Sol jump node will be destroyed in the great war.

    Then you'll be stuck there.

    I still haven't finished that game. I lost my save file halfway through, and the cheats are a pain to use.

    I actually haven't finished Freespace 2 myself.

    I always get to the Interceptor missions and lose a bunch and give up.

    I loaded it the other day and plugged in my X-52 but for some reason my afterburners wouldn't fire in one of the first missions.

    Its Freespace. There's no happy ending anyway.

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  • UbikUbik i am a god in a french-ass restaurantRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    So what the hell is a "cable"?

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Swill wrote: »
    okay

    so i don't fully understand why this would be perceived as a bad thing

    could someone explain to me what is so wrong?

    if you were lostwords, I would have you reference Mean Girls

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  • SwillSwill Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    nuclear codes are one thing

    but the rest of the stuff

    seems to me like it is good that this information is out

    i think they should be a different standard set for what is better left secret and what people should know

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Swill wrote: »
    okay

    so i don't fully understand why this would be perceived as a bad thing

    could someone explain to me what is so wrong?

    because diplomacy is based on trust. The entire point of dealing with another country is that you trust them to

    a) keep their word on deals they make with you

    b) act professionally and keep their scuttlebutt confidential

    If a country knows that you can't keep your shit to yourself, why should they deal with you? Certain things need to be secret, because it's not politically smart to air your dirty laundry all the time. It's not really a good idea to announce the fact that you want the U.S. to get militarily involved with your neighbor.

    And the most important thing is this: that is ok. There is no need for that to be released until the government thinks that it should be. People talk about transparency as if keeping things secret is the highest sin an entity can commit. It's not. Some things should stay in the dark, because we live in a real world where real things happen, dealing with real countries who don't have your citizens' best interest at the forefront of their thought.

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Ubik wrote: »
    So what the hell is a "cable"?

    diplomatic messages are transmitted across submarine cables. early telegraph communications were referred to as "cables" and the name has stuck for messages between countries to this day.

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  • SwillSwill Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    well

    the way i see it

    i don't exactly trust the higher ups to make the right calls on what information should be known

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Swill wrote: »
    well

    the way i see it

    i don't exactly trust the higher ups to make the right calls on what information should be known

    then how did they get there in the first place?

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  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Swill wrote: »
    well

    the way i see it

    i don't exactly trust the higher ups to make the right calls on what information should be known

    then how did they get there in the first place?

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  • M.D.M.D. and then what happens? Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    I like reading all the cables from all the embassies i've worked at.

    t - Ubik : a cable is just a message sent via email, fax, whatever

    t - swill: So just releasing all the information is the best solution?

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    Swill wrote: »
    well

    the way i see it

    i don't exactly trust the higher ups to make the right calls on what information should be known

    Then they shouldn't be elected, because that is their job.

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  • SwillSwill Registered User regular
    edited November 2010
    it is a faulty premise to assume that since someone is in a position of power means they make the right decisions

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