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Despite our disagreements in the last thread, i completely agree with what you just said here.
Congratulations wikileaks, you've exposed no major conspiracy but have managed to make the middle east region more politically unstable.
These cables show none of that. They are simply messages between countries and the political process at work. It's kind of neat to see it, and it actually might have some sort of positive impact in regards to China or Iran, but on the whole it has set back diplomatic relations with the US in a big, big way. There was no need. A lust for information because of some vague "Well, we should just all know, man, information wants to be free, you know?" is naive. Diplomacy involves secrets because that is how the world works, politically.
Top.
Men.
No reason to change the way that stuff is handled unless you want your government and its representatives to be made up solely of dimwits.
no way
but if there is the possibility that the information will be leaked, a couple different things could happen
1- step up security through either
a- prosecuting those who leak the information
b-telling even less people
or
2- rather than worry about the information getting out, make it so what does get out doesn't embarrass them. that would either mean falsification, or actually sticking to their word
plus there is a grand different between information such as codes
and information that helps people make better informed decisions
take the iraq war for example. if information didn't get out about it, it wouldn't be nearly as unpopular
but hey look it is unpopular because information is being spread about it and people are being more well informed
I think Langly has the right of it though. You have a lot of countries bad mouthing other countries, and in many cases, this would look better for the US if the world knew the opinion of those governments. But those countries are usually looking for regional stability, so on one hand you have a country that's threatening region stability, but on the other hand, you don't want to make it worse.
I hope this information would have made it out eventually. Some of it is just interesting, like the guy who escaped out of Iran into Turkey on horseback. Other stuff is more touchy, but stuff I think we will want to be able to look back on to be able to determine whether the right thing was done, or the wrong thing.
At some point, you have to let them, and deal with it later. What would you do? If they can't say, then who? You have to put every message through a committee to see if it should be public or not? Who makes up the committee? Who selects the people who selects the committee?
What information that was currently released, needed to be? What information is currently so morally damming that the citizens had an overbearing right to know it?
In any situation where candid discourse is necessary, confidentiality is important. That's why the law is so protective of communications between doctors and patients, attorneys and clients, etc.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that, in diplomacy, candor is kind of a big deal.
So we keep it secret that our diplomats are also, in some cases, spying on foreign countries.
Ostensibly, those foreign countries do the same thing, because "that is how the world works".
Can we then assume that there's nothing in these documents they didn't already know?
What problem is there in publishing something that everyone already knows?
A lot of shit could go down with it and not all of it good.
What spring does with the cherry trees.
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And to think that the United States try to spread their model all around the world, boo
because, once it is public, you have to react to it. You can't say, "oh yeah we knew that because hey we spy on you too, also you probably told us in those meetings we had about X."
Now your international policy is forced to involve this shit, because it is out in public now and if you don't act a certain way, there will be further consequences. Politics is a good percentage of theatre, and once something enters the arena, you have to react to it.
hahahaha this cannot be a real statement
The United States is not a democracy, no democracy currently exists on the planet, and we don't try to create them.
Point 2 is incredibly naive. You're suggesting the U.S. should alleviate the problem by being more honest and forthright, yet I assure you other nations would not do likewise which would just put us at a significant disadvantage. Diplomacy isn't suddenly going to become more honest and friendly across the world just because the U.S. decides to "clean up" their act so to speak.
But representative democracy nope
You there.
What are you doing.
You have exams to study for.
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"Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process."
Imagine all of my posts being spoken by Alec Baldwin
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And hush I'm not crwth
I don't really know the law on releasing diplomatic cables.
But I was just giving an example. We don't have the attorney-client and doctor-patient privileges Just Because.
We have them because if people thought that whatever they said to their doctors or attorneys could be easily disclosed to third parties, they're not going to be open and honest with them, and in such relationships, honest and candid communication is important for them to work.
Admittedly not being an expert, I was just saying that diplomacy seems to be another situation where candor, and therefore confidentiality, is important, so releasing these cables may not have been the best idea.
What spring does with the cherry trees.
This coming from the dude who went to Cuba and then bragged about the cheeseburger you had at your hotel. Cognitive dissonance what?
the difference between a full democracy and a republic isn't an opinion, it's a definition.
edit: and a complete democracy is a horrible way to govern, by the way. That is a political opinion.
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I meant in terms of knowing the law in general and being knowledgeable about how the law interacts with the world due to experience
It was a compliment
Oh so you're planning on passing.
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well on this one exam in particular.