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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Your analogy is terrible.

    So you can pretend that an actor is a prince of a foreign country but speaking English for some magical reason, for a role, but not that he isn't white?

    Oh, it's not that. It's mostly that Kenneth Brannagh makes a terrible Hamlet.

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Your analogy is terrible.

    So you can pretend that an actor is a prince of a foreign country but speaking English for some magical reason, for a role, but not that he isn't white?

    If the movie is being sold primarily to an English-speaking audience, it's sometimes a good idea to film it in English.

    and if you reeeeeeeeally wanna see a white guy playing Othello, watch the Orson Welles version.

    Oh, hey, speaking of racial incongruity in theatre, isn't Aida about some darknesses? Because a local community theatre is doing a production of it.

    EDIT: Yep. Ethiopian princess.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    what an about a version of romeo and juliet where juliet is played by a dude?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    Variable on
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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    A guy running around with a magic hammer = cool

    a black God = WOAH NOW HEY NOW
    It's not just a black god, it's a black Norse god.

    The Norse are basically the whitest people on the planet.

    I thought they were more technomagic space aliens in the Marvel universe?

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    I have to say Podly really did a number on the Thor thread.

    Is stupid a number?

    no he's spot on.

    The plot of Othello is totally going to make sense when Othello is the same race as Iago and Desmona's father.

    A) Yeah, it does. Race isn't necessarily what the play is about.

    B) You're conflating the actor and the role. You might as well complain that Kenneth Branagh isn't really a prince of Denmark.

    while in theory all actors are infinitely fungible between roles, I think it's fair to recognize that changing up something really visible like race or gender - like making Othello white or James Bond a girl or whatever - can end up adding a new textual payload that completely alter the takeaway for the viewer. it puts that characteristic front and center.

    and I think it is possible that there are certain times and certain productions when that could be ill-advised or an outright mistake.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Variable wrote: »
    what an about a version of romeo and juliet where juliet is played by a dude?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    OMG

    IT IS A TRAVESTY

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • DrakeDrake Edgelord Trash Below the ecliptic plane.Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    I have to say Podly really did a number on the Thor thread.

    Is stupid a number?

    no he's spot on.

    The plot of Othello is totally going to make sense when Othello is the same race as Iago and Desmona's father.

    A) Yeah, it does. Race isn't necessarily what the play is about.

    B) You're conflating the actor and the role. You might as well complain that Kenneth Branagh isn't really a prince of Denmark.

    Yeah race is the vehicle for the plot. Iago couldn't have betrayed Othello if Othello wasn't already an outsider.

    Your analogy is terrible.

    Unless you take one of the other umpteen interpretations, or treat the outsiderness as something other than race.

    Or just pretend because you are watching a play and not a bloody documentary

    Ah so we're doing "O" or one of any other reiterations of Othello, not the actual play. Othellos race is a central part of the story, not some nit picking detail.

    Yeah. And I'm sure when the play debuted there was a black man in the role. And women playing the women.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Your analogy is terrible.

    So you can pretend that an actor is a prince of a foreign country but speaking English for some magical reason, for a role, but not that he isn't white?

    Using an analogy that draws comparisons between social standing and race is a bad idea. They function entirely different.

    What the hell?

    I am talking about your arbitrary inability to pretend away some things but not others. The role wasn't written to be performed by a black man. Hell, Desdemona was written for a teenage boy.

    Actors are not their roles. That's the point. This isn't about some grand comparison of race and privilege in society, for fuck's sake. Don't be a goose.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Variable wrote: »
    what an about a version of romeo and juliet where juliet is played by a dude?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    What that just be a little r and r?

    Preacher on
    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited December 2010
    Woah now. Branagh is a fantastic Hamlet. Both on stage and on film.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    what about an english person playing an irish character?

    Variable on
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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Did you know

    that when reading a book.

    if you don't imagine every character in the same way that I imagine them then the impact is lost?

    did you know that?

    now you do.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited December 2010
  • WashWash Sweet Christmas Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Organichu wrote: »
    fluffy

    why wouldn't you ask me about kibbutz

    :(

    umm


    so Organ, tell me about Kibbutz....

    Wash on
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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    imagine every character in the same way that I imagine them

    naked?

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited December 2010
    Variable wrote: »
    what about an english person playing an irish character?

    Who would lower themselves in such a way?

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  • FroThulhuFroThulhu Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Variable wrote: »
    what an about a version of romeo and juliet where juliet is played by a dude?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    I'll buy it.

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  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Bogart wrote: »
    Romeo and Jules.

    pulpfiction01.jpg

    Feral on
    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    journey to the end of the night might be the most depressing book I have ever read

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    our man in inglewood

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    My brother is asking me what was terrible about "What the Bleep Do We Know." My claim is that it is blatant pseudoscience, but I don't actually have the scientific background to back this up.

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  • JacobkoshJacobkosh Gamble a stamp. I can show you how to be a real man!Moderator mod
    edited December 2010
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Also, there's just a huge fucking learning curve, and it seemed like the only thing to differentiate my character from other characters was one piece of gear.

    I'm not going to like, try and argue you into the game but I will say that the characters kind of start off in a similar place and then diversify as you head up the line.

    once you level up your preferred stats and get different ships and gear it becomes very difficult to mistake one guy for another. one dude is a geophysicist and summoning like magma vents from the ground and another is turning invisible and doing kung-fu and a third is just spraying laser fire everywhere.

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  • WashWash Sweet Christmas Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    DUE i liked that black metal

    it's background music but awesome background music

    Wash on
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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    There have been so many versions of Shakespeare's plays that I would be surprised if there wasn't one involving a love affair between a juvenile monkey and a mentally disabled man.

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  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    My brother is asking me what was terrible about "What the Bleep Do We Know." My claim is that it is blatant pseudoscience, but I don't actually have the scientific background to back this up.

    I have seen MikeMan punch dudes in cold fury at mention of that movie

    Senjutsu on
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Drake wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    I have to say Podly really did a number on the Thor thread.

    Is stupid a number?

    no he's spot on.

    The plot of Othello is totally going to make sense when Othello is the same race as Iago and Desmona's father.

    A) Yeah, it does. Race isn't necessarily what the play is about.

    B) You're conflating the actor and the role. You might as well complain that Kenneth Branagh isn't really a prince of Denmark.

    Yeah race is the vehicle for the plot. Iago couldn't have betrayed Othello if Othello wasn't already an outsider.

    Your analogy is terrible.

    Unless you take one of the other umpteen interpretations, or treat the outsiderness as something other than race.

    Or just pretend because you are watching a play and not a bloody documentary

    Ah so we're doing "O" or one of any other reiterations of Othello, not the actual play. Othellos race is a central part of the story, not some nit picking detail.

    Yeah. And I'm sure when the play debuted there was a black man in the role. And women playing the women.

    Taking this to the other thread.

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  • Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    My brother is asking me what was terrible about "What the Bleep Do We Know." My claim is that it is blatant pseudoscience, but I don't actually have the scientific background to back this up.

    I have seen MikeMan punch dudes in cold fury at mention of that movie

    As well he should.

    But I need words for my brother is far away.

    Silas Brown on
  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    I have to say Podly really did a number on the Thor thread.

    Is stupid a number?

    no he's spot on.

    The plot of Othello is totally going to make sense when Othello is the same race as Iago and Desmona's father.

    A) Yeah, it does. Race isn't necessarily what the play is about.

    B) You're conflating the actor and the role. You might as well complain that Kenneth Branagh isn't really a prince of Denmark.

    while in theory all actors are infinitely fungible between roles, I think it's fair to recognize that changing up something really visible like race or gender - like making Othello white or James Bond a girl or whatever - can end up adding a new textual payload that completely alter the takeaway for the viewer. it puts that characteristic front and center.

    and I think it is possible that there are certain times and certain productions when that could be ill-advised or an outright mistake.

    well that's why I mentioned suspension of disbelief. Were JCVD to play a female role, it would probably fall on it's face, because he wouldn't have the chops to pull it off. But if a good actor really worked with it and played lady macbeth, it could come off without a hitch, and maybe even make the performance very special.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    11 minutes until I can go home

    seriously when my boss is on vacation I am useless here

    but I'm not going to turn down money

    Hachface on
  • matt has a problemmatt has a problem Points to 'off' Points to 'on'Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    while in theory all actors are infinitely fungible between roles, I think it's fair to recognize that changing up something really visible like race or gender - like making Othello white or James Bond a girl or whatever - can end up adding a new textual payload that completely alter the takeaway for the viewer. it puts that characteristic front and center.

    and I think it is possible that there are certain times and certain productions when that could be ill-advised or an outright mistake.
    James Bond as a girl would just be spy-themed lesbian porn.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    My brother is asking me what was terrible about "What the Bleep Do We Know." My claim is that it is blatant pseudoscience, but I don't actually have the scientific background to back this up.

    http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/04/what_the_bleep_.html

    Couscous on
  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Couscous wrote: »
    There have been so many versions of Shakespeare's plays that I would be surprised if there wasn't one involving a love affair between a juvenile monkey and a mentally disabled man.

    my next novel! (needs more ghosts though)

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  • Glorious CretinGlorious Cretin Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Just watched the Giga Pudding commercial.

    Whenever I see something like that from Japan that whole culture just feels like one giant jigsaw puzzle made from all the missing pieces of all the jigsaw puzzles I've ever owned.

    Glorious Cretin on
  • SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    My brother is asking me what was terrible about "What the Bleep Do We Know." My claim is that it is blatant pseudoscience, but I don't actually have the scientific background to back this up.

    I have seen MikeMan punch dudes in cold fury at mention of that movie

    As well he should.

    But I need words for my brother is far away.

    Maybe try: http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/04/what_the_bleep_.html

    and some of the references

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Have a purring kitten on my lap is the best.

    Couscous on
  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Podly wrote: »

    well that's why I mentioned suspension of disbelief. Were JCVD to play a female role, it would probably fall on it's face, because he wouldn't have the chops to pull it off. But if a good actor really worked with it and played lady macbeth, it could come off without a hitch, and maybe even make the performance very special.

    Kristin Linklater did a pretty stunning Lear at one point.

    Hachface on
  • WashWash Sweet Christmas Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    Sabs told me about this movie that just takes place on like a stage or something

    and there wasn't a set, just like tape on the floor outlining houses or whatever

    there really aren't any rules when it comes to theater or movies or t.v.

    Wash on
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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    I am categorically opposed to the eroticization of santa claus

    lady singers, this means you

    no more kissing santa claus

    and for the love of god, no more breathy exhortations for him to "come down your chimney"

    Elendil on
  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    jacobkosh wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Also, there's just a huge fucking learning curve, and it seemed like the only thing to differentiate my character from other characters was one piece of gear.
    I'm not going to like, try and argue you into the game but I will say that the characters kind of start off in a similar place and then diversify as you head up the line.

    once you level up your preferred stats and get different ships and gear it becomes very difficult to mistake one guy for another. one dude is a geophysicist and summoning like magma vents from the ground and another is turning invisible and doing kung-fu and a third is just spraying laser fire everywhere.
    I want you to try to talk me into it; like I said, based on the demo, I'm confused as to how anyone could possibly find it fun. It felt like a version of City of Heroes where everyone plays exactly the same hero, and given how you guys have been talking about how much fun it is, I was very confused.

    Thanatos on
  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2010
    DUE i liked that black metal

    it's background music but awesome background music

    you're pretty much one step away from worshipping satan and murdering people.

    also burning down churches.


    and racism.

    so.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4U33U_UyzQ


    honestly just go to the end of part 3. gets craaaaaaaaaazy

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