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Are you two geese kidding or just really desperate to start a fight?
This is like asking for "proof" that 3 strikes make an out. If you want to play by different rules then go nuts, but it's insane to try to argue that what's written in the rulebook are "lies". They're by definition true.
Edit: And we get that you're atheists, now shut the fuck up about it.
Technically, the bible is more against you eating shellfish than being homosexual.
There's not an awful lot written in that book about homosexuality, and saying that there is, is a lie. Assuming you believe in the lie of religion at all.
I promptly chopped her hand off, as I was told to do in the bible.
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I agree with you, Jintor. I can't imagine having a child that I pushed out of my family for being gay. I don't believe it's a sin in the least. I've lived my entire life in the South (TM) and am a Christian who was raised in southern Baptist churches, so you can imagine the silliness I grew up around in regards to this particular issue.
Ross, I love how you assume that I feel being gay is a sin without actually asking me first. From "bashing" to "smug and presumptuous". Well done, sir.
We now return to your regularly scheduled thread, as it is not, in fact, a religion thread (my original point, strangely enough). PMs are welcome if you feel you have more to say to me about this particular issue.
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Interlock did this and was going to be required by law back in the seventies... it was actually illegal to over ride it on cars it was equipped on. The law changed when people realized just how stupid it was - so it's no longer against the law to disable it. (Seatbelts are good I agree... interlock is stupid because it could actually fail and kill your car from starting even if the seatbelt was fastened. Most people just left them fastened and sat on top of them defeating the whole idea)
To move the thread on from religion:
1. My dad convinced me the best candy in the world was square and came wrapped in red foil and he couldn't understand why I didn't like the good candy (beef bullion cubes)
2. He also convinced me that they simply sucked produce off trees instead of picking them with manual labor.
3. For the longest time he had me thinking the world was flat and that each one of us was the center of the ever expanding universe (he might actually believe the later part of that one himself)
I am practicing for when I have kids though. I have my wife and my friend believing all sorts of weird crap they should know better about.
1. My friend believed me when I said raccoons made good pets and got about ten feet away from petting one when I had to yell at him and chase him away from trying to pet it.
2. Once I accidentally left the tail gate open on my SUV. Hitting a bump, the interior light came on just as the first drops of rain hit. When confused, I let the same friend know that it was a defect in the emergency underwater location system. All the lights come on and flash so they know where you are if you go into a lake - the rain set mine off because it wasn't working properly.
3. Same friend believes I own a dolphin. I keep it in my mother in law's pool. I have had him going for about a month on this one. This one was a hell of a lot easier then one would think - all i needed was a pic of my wife doing a dolphin encounter in 1996 while on a cruise then one from this year of both of us doing a dolphin encounter. And a picture of my mother in law's pool with a questionable shadow.
But here is the best one.
I married a jewish woman. The guy at work was a little confused thinking you had to be circumcised to be married jewish and obviously he wasn't cut because he didn't know the snip the foreskin. for some reason he thought they CUT OFF THE TIP.
I had to go with it. I said yea, you have to be snipped and no matter the age (seven days after the birth, or upon conversion) that you have to do it in front of everyone while reading from the torah.
So I had him almost sure that I was telling the truth.
That at 30ish years old you would have to stand up in front of all your friends and family , read from the torah and have the tip of your penis literally cut off. I told him they numb it first.
Just as he was doubting me someone who is known to have zero sense of humor walked in and he asked "Is it true that to convert you get up there and they chop off your tip of your penis while reading from the bible in front of everyone!?!?"
The guy with no sense of humor only heard "bible" so corrected him about the torah instead.
so my friend STILL believes all this to this day.
To be fair, raccoons can actually be a hell of a lot of fun, but they're a real pain to domesticate. We had some when I was a kid. A tree that was near a nest burned down and killed the mother, and pop saved the pups from the fire. They live a relatively long time (if they don't get hit by cars) and taking care of one is a lot like taking care of a domesticated dog that can operate simple switches and open doors.
Also they climb on everything, including you, with tiny razor sharp claws, so wear a thick sweater.
Go back and reread what I said. And then read it with a snarky tone.
It was sarcasm. I'm agreeing with you.
Or you might just be adopted.
Or there was mixup at the hospital.
Whatever truth gets you trought the day
8-) I'm okay with all of them.
Over here in Germany it is pretty common in certain jobs to send new apprentices on a fool's errand.
In an auto mechanic shop the new guys would be routinely send out to the Home Depot equivalent to get "carburator interior lights" or "a bag of ignition sparks" or "gearbox sand" or something like that
I worked in an enormous cleanroom manufacturing semiconductors once, and we'd do this all the time. We'd usually send the guy out for something like a "large pushover clamp", or a "Thin Films field thickener", an "environmental class increaser" (in a class 1 cleanroom) or a "tank of Oxygenated Silane" (silane is a pyrophoric gas).
The best part was sending them back into the office building to get something we made up, because then they'd have to leave the clean building, remove their cleansuit, go to another room, remove their scrubs, change into their normal clothes, walk across the skybridge to the office building, find the office we sent them to, realize we're fucking with them, then come back across the bridge, change into scrubs, go through an air shower, change into a cleansuit, go through another air shower, and then come back so we could laugh at them.
God I loved that job.
If your parents tell you a monster lives under your bed, that's a lie because there is no monster and they know there's no monster.
On the other hand, if your parents (who are believing Catholics) tell you that engaging in homosexual acts is a sin, they're absolutely telling the truth. Under the rules of the Catholic Church, any sex other than sex between a married man and woman is a sin.
People might not like that truth, but it's absolutely true that homosexual acts are a sin under the rules of the Catholic Church.
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My dad used to own a theatrical lighting company. When he first started it, gels were actually made of gel instead of plastic, so they would dissolve in water.* When they got a new guy working for them, they would hand him a sheet of gel, say it was dirty and tell him to go wash it. The guy would come back all scared he was in trouble for partially melting a piece of gel.
*If this was not in fact the case, my story is about my dad telling me this story.
The lie comes in when the connotation is made that sin is inherently negative. Some forms of sin like killing may be(exceptions exist IMO), while other sins like homosexuality are only considered negative because of bigotry. The whole concept of sin is bullshit, since it muddies up the waters.
I saw people posting things that were not true, and their parents didn't know it wasn't true, such as "don't swim if you just ate." Yes, it's not technically a lie, but it's still false. I figured my experience with religion -- a deeply harmful experience that cost me a great deal -- could therefore qualify too.
So you're right, my parents did not "lie" to me. But they still led me to believe something that was wrong.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is, that if you're not deliberately spreading misinformation, but unknowingly propagating a lie, you're not a liar per se. You are wrong, as Tofystedetf says below, but the claim is no less a lie in my opinion. The original source of the claim is the liar, and everyone who spreads it ignorantly is wrong, but not a liar.
Sarcasm doesn't carry well through text. Apologies.
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At the time, this was good enough for me.
Why can't you just say you think the Catholic Church is full of it and their rules are stupid instead of tiptoeing around your true feelings and bringing up some relative morality argument.
"If you use the computer or watch TV too much, you'll go blind form the cathode rays"
Nope, still perfect eyesight dad.
Well .. that somehow reminds me of "if you masturbate, you'll go blind"
But to say that believing Catholics are lying when they say homosexual acts are a sin is just inaccurate. People outside of the Catholic Church (and even laypeople within the Church) don't get to define what is and isn't a sin in the context of that religion.
So, when a religious person tells you that your actions are sinful, they're not lying to you. Whether or not you care is a totally different question.
Rigorous Scholarship
Because I'm trying to keep on the topic of lying, instead of dragging this thread into a religious debate quagmire. You are welcome to make another thread and take your outrage there.
The concept of sin as it exists now is more or less an extra layer between right and wrong(generally accepted versions of these, that is), which muddies up the efforts of distinguishing the acceptability of actions due to the past association of sin with unacceptable behavior.
What I was trying to get across is, that while homosexuality is a sin, and Catholics consider sinning to be wrong, is that Catholics don't have a monopoly on defining what is wrong and what is right. While for them sinning is equivalent with wrong, sinning as they see it doesn't always match up with the public perception of wrong.
What's not real? The origins of Christmas.
What is real?
Sorry to ruin it.
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If someone believes something that is not factually accurate and then tells people this info do you say that is lying or that its not factually accurate.
I would say that intent has nothing to do with lying and you could say someone is unknowingly telling a lie.
Dictionary definition:
2.something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.an inaccurate or false statement.
4.the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
I guess it could mean either.... hrmpf
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This is where I'd add a story to try to get it back on track but unfortunately my parents and I didn't interact a whole lot and when we did they never really lied to me
Yesssss, my old technical director told us they used to do this all the time. Since the gels were made of animal material and water soluble, they'd mix the old ones with some new plastics ones and wait for the new guy to come out with his hands covered in melty colors.
Course, now they don't have any more old gels because they had people melt them for the lulz.
Pretty sure that's a common thing everywhere.
Ever been sent to the garage to find the box of BA-1100Ns with the ST-ring attachment?
That works a lot better verbally then it does in text...
I was once told to go look for a "Box Stretcher" at a warehouse where I was working.
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stupid theatre jokes.
they did this to me. We had a lot of old stuff hanging around and i got caught with washing the gel.
jerks.
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lol
that's ok, the guys got caught with looking for the ghst, so i made out alright
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Oh forgot one. my mother said you could go blind if you watch tv while on medicine for being sick when you are a kid.