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Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D) Shot

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  • CoinageCoinage Registered User regular
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    That map is actually targeting states, not politicians. I don't think anyone is going to assassinate the entire state of michigan.

    .. did you scroll down? the politicians are listed below the map. by name. followed by (x) number down.

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly misconstrue it either.
    Come on, "x down" is incredibly common phrasing. Sarah Palin was not inciting people to violence, people are only jumping on this because they hate her so much.

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  • PwnanObrienPwnanObrien Registered User regular
    kdrudy wrote: »
    If society has broken down then man cannot survive

    Society has broken down

    Thus man cannot survive

    In the year 2525...

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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    That map is actually targeting states, not politicians. I don't think anyone is going to assassinate the entire state of michigan.

    .. did you scroll down? the politicians are listed below the map. by name. followed by (x) number down.

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly misconstrue it either.
    Come on, "x down" is incredibly common phrasing. Sarah Palin was not inciting people to violence, people are only jumping on this because they hate her so much.

    Well that and her one word away from calling for violent uprising sentences, second amendment solutions, dont retreat reload, etc...
    Styrofoam Sammich wrote: »
    galenblade wrote: »
    Now seeing reports that there was apparently a suspicious package left at her office. Bomb squad's checking it out.

    Man nothing worse than a crazy with a back up plan.

    It's probably just his ridiculous manifesto

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Registered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    That map is actually targeting states, not politicians. I don't think anyone is going to assassinate the entire state of michigan.

    .. did you scroll down? the politicians are listed below the map. by name. followed by (x) number down.

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly misconstrue it either.
    Come on, "x down" is incredibly common phrasing. Sarah Palin was not inciting people to violence, people are only jumping on this because they hate her so much.

    When attempting to rebut arguments, it helps to have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

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  • YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    That timeline at csgv.org is scary...

    If you're wondering what kind of behavior violent political rhetoric encourages, it's that kind.

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  • Z0reZ0re Registered User regular
    Coinage wrote: »
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    That map is actually targeting states, not politicians. I don't think anyone is going to assassinate the entire state of michigan.

    .. did you scroll down? the politicians are listed below the map. by name. followed by (x) number down.

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly misconstrue it either.
    Come on, "x down" is incredibly common phrasing. Sarah Palin was not inciting people to violence, people are only jumping on this because they hate her so much.

    They hate her because she is willing to make those kinds of comments, to create a divide between 'real Americans' and the majority of America. Because she incites people and talks about taking back the country while using incredibly inflammatory rhetoric linked with using firearms. She's very content to wink and nod at her supporters and nudge them without explicitly saying "Go kill these people" but the imagery she chose in that PAC picture to take back those counties speaks volumes.

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  • CoinageCoinage Registered User regular
    Z0re wrote: »
    Coinage wrote: »
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    That map is actually targeting states, not politicians. I don't think anyone is going to assassinate the entire state of michigan.

    .. did you scroll down? the politicians are listed below the map. by name. followed by (x) number down.

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly misconstrue it either.
    Come on, "x down" is incredibly common phrasing. Sarah Palin was not inciting people to violence, people are only jumping on this because they hate her so much.

    They hate her because she is willing to make those kinds of comments, to create a divide between 'real Americans' and the majority of America. Because she incites people and talks about taking back the country while using incredibly inflammatory rhetoric linked with using firearms. She's very content to wink and nod at her supporters and nudge them without explicitly saying "Go kill these people" but the imagery she chose in that PAC picture to take back those counties speaks volumes.
    I always thought people hated her because she's a fucking idiot more than her rhetoric. The Real Americans thing pisses me off too, but that is not violent at all. The gun imagery generally (I find the image more unfortunate in hindsight than anything else) does make me a bit uncomfortable but it's hardly incitement to violence, talking about a "war" is very common in politics.

    And, of course, as the link posted earlier pointed out, almost no assassinations in US history were about anything anybody other than the assassin cared about.

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  • tetsuoZshimatetsuoZshima Registered User
    Taxexemption wrote: »
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    That map is actually targeting states, not politicians. I don't think anyone is going to assassinate the entire state of michigan.

    .. did you scroll down? the politicians are listed below the map. by name. followed by (x) number down.

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly misconstrue it either.

    I still don't know what I think of the whole thing. It's about a mile from my house. The Wells Fargo next to that Safeway is my bank. I guess I don't really care if it's political or not, to be honest. Crazy people need to shoot themselves, not others.

    I find the last part to be rather offensive.


    The reason why we have people like this killing other people has more to do with the breakdown of society than anything that is wrong with the individual. Some of us need to be a part of a community more than others, the alienation many adults feel in modern society that results from the inability for many individuals to find a place in it is a growing issue.


    You can make it about the left, you can make it about the right, but what this is really about is society. Man cannot exist without meaning, so when he cannot find meaning, he will make his own.

    I respect your right to feel this way; and to express it; it's non-inflammatory. I find it abhorrent in thought though. Sometimes animals are born with two heads; yes I believe gays are born gay; and guess what? I think crazy people have some wires connected differently upstairs. I blame society for Nazi's; I blame society for slavery; but to blame society for turning an individual "crazy" is just too far for me. The very definition of society implies a flock -- a group that works together; an outlier does not fit in society, nor is it created by society. Look, millions of kids get picked on in high school, many quite badly, but very, very few end up going on a killing spree. Society is a bitch; but it's not a simple blame-all for everyone's actions.

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  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    I hate her because she's obviously not suited to run a Chevron yet doesn't care and wants to run the country based on beliefs I find wildly outdated.

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  • YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    While I agree that Sarah Palin is dogwhistling with some of her violent rhetoric, my opinion of her is low enough that I don't really think she's doing it intentionally. She just apes the language and tropes she sees around her. (Which in its own way is even more frightening - watching an echo chamber form in real time)

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    override367 wrote: »
    Eh, the primary difference is that the mainstream left has always abhorred these people. The right is embracing its crazies - they won't this guy (at least I fucking hope not), because he's crossed whatever line that they have, but most of the crazies so far have been either defended by them or not distanced from them

    There's also the fact that deaths caused by left-wing whackos are almost non-existant.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. Registered User regular
    Bionic Monkey wrote: »
    override367 wrote: »
    Eh, the primary difference is that the mainstream left has always abhorred these people. The right is embracing its crazies - they won't this guy (at least I fucking hope not), because he's crossed whatever line that they have, but most of the crazies so far have been either defended by them or not distanced from them

    There's also the fact that deaths caused by left-wing whackos are almost non-existant.

    Same on the right you know.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic I've Done Worse Registered User regular
    Styrofoam Sammich wrote: »
    Bionic Monkey wrote: »
    override367 wrote: »
    Eh, the primary difference is that the mainstream left has always abhorred these people. The right is embracing its crazies - they won't this guy (at least I fucking hope not), because he's crossed whatever line that they have, but most of the crazies so far have been either defended by them or not distanced from them

    There's also the fact that deaths caused by left-wing whackos are almost non-existant.

    Same on the right you know.

    Depends upon if you count wars or not.

    "When you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. When you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."

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  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    Oh fucking hell here we go.

    "Left's better!"

    "Right's better!"

    I fucking CRY for a bigger-than-two-party government. CRY goddammit.

    _J_ wrote:
    If we only allowed pedophiles to be parents, then we would never have to worry about children being left alone, unwatched.
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  • TaxexemptionTaxexemption Registered User
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Taxexemption wrote: »
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    That map is actually targeting states, not politicians. I don't think anyone is going to assassinate the entire state of michigan.

    .. did you scroll down? the politicians are listed below the map. by name. followed by (x) number down.

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly misconstrue it either.

    I still don't know what I think of the whole thing. It's about a mile from my house. The Wells Fargo next to that Safeway is my bank. I guess I don't really care if it's political or not, to be honest. Crazy people need to shoot themselves, not others.

    I find the last part to be rather offensive.


    The reason why we have people like this killing other people has more to do with the breakdown of society than anything that is wrong with the individual. Some of us need to be a part of a community more than others, the alienation many adults feel in modern society that results from the inability for many individuals to find a place in it is a growing issue.


    You can make it about the left, you can make it about the right, but what this is really about is society. Man cannot exist without meaning, so when he cannot find meaning, he will make his own.

    I respect your right to feel this way; and to express it; it's non-inflammatory. I find it abhorrent in thought though. Sometimes animals are born with two heads; yes I believe gays are born gay; and guess what? I think crazy people have some wires connected differently upstairs. I blame society for Nazi's; I blame society for slavery; but to blame society for turning an individual "crazy" is just too far for me. The very definition of society implies a flock -- a group that works together; an outlier does not fit in society, nor is it created by society. Look, millions of kids get picked on in high school, many quite badly, but very, very few end up going on a killing spree. Society is a bitch; but it's not a simple blame-all for everyone's actions.


    You view him as an outlier, someone that was different. I am curious, what do you think people are supposed to be in this day and age? and how does modern society help someone that is that way to succeed? How does it help them to find purpose?


    We live in a society that provides neither purpose nor meaning to the individual. I think that to be a significant problem.

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  • NartwakNartwak Registered User
    Coinage wrote:
    The Real Americans thing pisses me off too, but that is not violent at all.
    Yeah, since when has othering ever led to violence???
    Styrofoam Sammich wrote: »
    Same on the right you know.
    lol

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  • KageraKagera Registered User regular
    This is leading to the 'H' word isn't it?

    _J_ wrote:
    If we only allowed pedophiles to be parents, then we would never have to worry about children being left alone, unwatched.
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  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    Hores?

    Because that is the only acceptable answer. I don't care if it's misspelled.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Registered User regular
    Purpose and meaning are where you find them. Existentialism ho!

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  • EddyEddy i ain't afraid of no ghosts Registered User regular
    Man, has anyone else read Balance of Power? This shit is like straight up predicted by Richard North Patterson

    do you believe in something beautiful? // then get up and be it
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  • akesoakeso Registered User
    Taxexemption wrote: »
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Taxexemption wrote: »
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    That map is actually targeting states, not politicians. I don't think anyone is going to assassinate the entire state of michigan.

    .. did you scroll down? the politicians are listed below the map. by name. followed by (x) number down.

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly misconstrue it either.

    I still don't know what I think of the whole thing. It's about a mile from my house. The Wells Fargo next to that Safeway is my bank. I guess I don't really care if it's political or not, to be honest. Crazy people need to shoot themselves, not others.

    I find the last part to be rather offensive.


    The reason why we have people like this killing other people has more to do with the breakdown of society than anything that is wrong with the individual. Some of us need to be a part of a community more than others, the alienation many adults feel in modern society that results from the inability for many individuals to find a place in it is a growing issue.


    You can make it about the left, you can make it about the right, but what this is really about is society. Man cannot exist without meaning, so when he cannot find meaning, he will make his own.

    I respect your right to feel this way; and to express it; it's non-inflammatory. I find it abhorrent in thought though. Sometimes animals are born with two heads; yes I believe gays are born gay; and guess what? I think crazy people have some wires connected differently upstairs. I blame society for Nazi's; I blame society for slavery; but to blame society for turning an individual "crazy" is just too far for me. The very definition of society implies a flock -- a group that works together; an outlier does not fit in society, nor is it created by society. Look, millions of kids get picked on in high school, many quite badly, but very, very few end up going on a killing spree. Society is a bitch; but it's not a simple blame-all for everyone's actions.


    You view him as an outlier, someone that was different. I am curious, what do you think people are supposed to be in this day and age? and how does modern society help someone that is that way to succeed? How does it help them to find purpose?


    We live in a society that provides neither purpose nor meaning to the individual. I think that to be a significant problem.

    In the words of Kurt Vonnegut;
    "He, like all novice lunatics, needed some bad ideas, too, so that his craziness could have shape and direction.

    Bad chemicals and bad ideas were the yin and yang of madness."

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    I'd like to know where all the lunatics who espouse open carry as a way to prevent violence were.

    I've heard dozens of people who are for carrying assault rifles around in cities say shit like, "Well if everyone had a gun that shit would have NEVER happend, I'd have solved THAT problem myself!". Anything from bank robberies to rapes to public shootings.

    Guess what? 13 People still got fucking shot assholes.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    I'd like to know where all the lunatics who espouse open carry as a way to prevent violence were.

    I've heard dozens of people who are for carrying assault rifles around in cities say shit like, "Well if everyone had a gun that shit would have NEVER happend, I'd have solved THAT problem myself!". Anything from bank robberies to rapes to public shootings.

    Guess what? 13 People still got fucking shot assholes.

    Because they all think that a gun makes them Batman.

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  • agentk13agentk13 __BANNED USERS
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Taxexemption wrote: »
    tetsuoZshima wrote: »
    Pi-r8 wrote: »
    That map is actually targeting states, not politicians. I don't think anyone is going to assassinate the entire state of michigan.

    .. did you scroll down? the politicians are listed below the map. by name. followed by (x) number down.

    I don't understand how anyone could possibly misconstrue it either.

    I still don't know what I think of the whole thing. It's about a mile from my house. The Wells Fargo next to that Safeway is my bank. I guess I don't really care if it's political or not, to be honest. Crazy people need to shoot themselves, not others.

    I find the last part to be rather offensive.


    The reason why we have people like this killing other people has more to do with the breakdown of society than anything that is wrong with the individual. Some of us need to be a part of a community more than others, the alienation many adults feel in modern society that results from the inability for many individuals to find a place in it is a growing issue.


    You can make it about the left, you can make it about the right, but what this is really about is society. Man cannot exist without meaning, so when he cannot find meaning, he will make his own.

    I respect your right to feel this way; and to express it; it's non-inflammatory. I find it abhorrent in thought though. Sometimes animals are born with two heads; yes I believe gays are born gay; and guess what? I think crazy people have some wires connected differently upstairs. I blame society for Nazi's; I blame society for slavery; but to blame society for turning an individual "crazy" is just too far for me. The very definition of society implies a flock -- a group that works together; an outlier does not fit in society, nor is it created by society. Look, millions of kids get picked on in high school, many quite badly, but very, very few end up going on a killing spree. Society is a bitch; but it's not a simple blame-all for everyone's actions.

    I'm pretty sure that crazy people aren't specifically wired to go after dem representatives who have just won hard-fought elections.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu Registered User regular
    dispatch.o wrote: »
    I'd like to know where all the lunatics who espouse open carry as a way to prevent violence were.

    I've heard dozens of people who are for carrying assault rifles around in cities say shit like, "Well if everyone had a gun that shit would have NEVER happend, I'd have solved THAT problem myself!". Anything from bank robberies to rapes to public shootings.

    Guess what? 13 People still got fucking shot assholes.

    well, open carry has been legal for many, many years

    so 'some people got shot to death, tragically' isn't really proof of... anything, i guess

    i don't perceive the point you're making

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I'm going to take a wild guess and say the reason he was able to get so close to her was because he wasn't open carrying..

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  • Irond WillIrond Will Super Moderator, Moderator mod
    this is going off the rails

    let's try again tomorrow or something

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