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[FRINGE] Reality be fragmenting at the seams
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What is the name of the scarred badguy? Johns?
His backstory is that he was in prison and used parts of Walther's brain to construct a teleporter to escape, right?
Otherwise, all Peter's "this isn't my fight, why should I care aboht this?" can be directly applied to the view too. I mean, both these universe could explode, and if peter ended up waking up next to Olivia in "our verse #1" the viewer would be fine. This doesn't bode well for the show. The viewer needs to care about these people and their conflict.
The only way this works well for me is if the shapeshifters are actually from a 5th dimension. Dimensions 3 and 4 get destroyed by 5 and then peter goes back to 1 and 2 trying to warn/prepare them for 5.
Otherwise the show needs to let us know that all we have is 3 and 4, and to forget about 1 and 2.
Mixing people. David Robert Jones was the main antagonist of Season 1; he and his group ZFT were behind the much of the explosion in Fringe events as a means of preparing our Universe for war with Walternates Universe. He was right - in a sense - as the shifters had already penetrated to our side by then. His final goal was to cross over into the other side and kill William Bell.
The second person was Thomas Newton, a Shapeshifter that was sent by Walternate to indeed grab pieces of Walters brain that had been left in others heads; this was done because Walter and William felt that Walters crossing to the other side was far too irresponsible and that he needed to be "tamed" in a sense I guess. I don't really remember why they needed his pieces; however his secondary goal was to assist the other sides Olivia in infiltrating Fringe division and assisting her in securing the pieces of the Doomsday Machine.
As for the alternate universes - there's more than one of everything. Who knows that Peter was shunted back into HIS reality. And I'm pretty sure that the Nina Sharpe we see is our Nina Sharpe. The other sides Nina hasn't really been mentioned in the last season, so she may just have some run of the mill job somewhere (though its unlikely). The two computers were definitely them going high-tec on the quantum entanglement bit with the typewriters. And I don't think Broyles literally phoned his alternate; they have to use the special room where both sides coexist.
And @ED! we were talking about when Broyles called Jones to warn them Alt-Lee and Alt-Olivia were on the way and Jones said he'd be ready for them. Hence he'd phone all the other baddies too. Ignore me if I'm misunderstand what YOU were referencing...
Odd episode that one, it felt like it was trying to move the plot along but didn't really succeed by having a Monster of the Week that went nowhere in the middle of it.
And yeah, it was a monster of the week grafted onto a plot episode that spun its wheels overall. Was ok still, just...they're going to end the season with things all screwed up still or just then getting worked out, I guess. Then get canceled! Sigh.
I think we could see the series ending with a return to the original timelines, which would be such a horrible cop-out (unless it makes some kind of rift, and opens a shitload of parallel words for exploring. And then becomes Sliders).
I suspect that the observers, or someone/thing more powerful are going to do some garbage collection.
I mean...
edit: This comment was for "Making Angels".
She based Alt! Astrid's personality on her sister which has Aspbergers.
Why did no one immediately ask "What's in the Other Side's version?" when everyone was "Why this nowhere town?". Assuming Jones isn't stupid/they didn't miss anything on their side, that leaves A)The target was on Universe D's side or B)It was a test run. B seems too boring. Ergo, A!
So, yeah, good episode that opened up a lot of questions.
I think that Peter never went to a different timeline to begin with. He was erased and history was rewritten as a result, just like we thought in the first place. My guess is that his return was an anomaly that is starting to unravel the change the Observers wanted, and his presence is awakening Olivia and Walter's original selves as well. I doubt that the whole original world will return though, I imagine that ship has sailed.
If Peter DIDN'T switch timelines he's now the biggest mass murderer ever. Oopsie. I guess they really wanted to purge "The Pattern", but this seems a little extreme.
But yea, enjoyed Welcome to Wakefield very much.
This is what I wanted to know. I would have at least liked them to acknowledge the questions even if not provide answers. As it stands this seems to have been less a merging of two radically different airships and more a really bad storm that makes people crazy. Lots of squandered potential.
I mean what IS an alternate universe other then just a scenario where things played out differently. If there are two universes, then there should be infinite. And if that's the case then universes exist where Peter was rescued but drowned.
I guess the difference is whether or not the "old" universe exists or was replaced with the new one. Seems to me the latter is the case. I guess any universe where Peter doesn't die as a child leads to him using the machine, so he gets erased. Or, he doesnt use the machine so he never gets erased. So there is no existing universe where Peter used the machine and now everyone is just all "hey where did Peter go?"
All that exists is Peterless universes or universes where Peter never used the machine. Either way there is no "home" for our Peter to find where Olivia and Walter are waiting for him to come back after using the machine.
From a viewer's perspective, yes, but given that the show just has the red and blue universes (and now the alt-blue and alt-red which are both yellow) it seems like there's a distinction in the setting itself between timelines and parallel universes.
Also, perhaps for some reason there only are TWO universes in Fringe. That would solve a bit of the mess. As of right now, the viewer (and Peter) sort of assume there are infinite.
We assume there are infinite universes, but the show has never really addressed this, or explained why A and B are the only ones that appear to interact with each other.
Also, regarding "Welcome to Wakefield":
As for the merging questions and what universe/timeline peter is in right now....While the story seems to be suggesting that yes it was a timeline rewrite and hes still in universe A and B, the fact that Jones seems to be the same Jones that came from Universe A/B into universe C/D(and who peter cut in half) disputes that . If Peter never existed in Universe C/D, and the Fringe division of C/D never encountered Jones before, then Jones must have crossed over from A/B to C/D much earlier then peter, when he got cut in half, else he would never have gotten cut in half as nobody would have been opposing him at the time.
Check me on this, wasnt Jones working for Walternate (Universe A/B)? I seem to remember it was him that setup the first crossing over...the event with the broken bridge meeting with the real bridge from the other side ?
Because without Peter in the picture they never encountered him or stopped him. He was able to cross over to the other side and setup shop without interference. So the jones around now is just this timelines one who was never stopped by Olivia and Peter
What if olivia remembers not because of the events of westfield, but because of whatever Nina is doing to her?
And we know it wasn't Wakefield that is making Olivia remember "Oh, you're blood is normal, didn't I mention that?" or so, and she didn't have a double in the area anyway, remember? So Nina is as good a guess as anything else. They have to going somewhere with that. This Olivia can't reality hop, either, yet.
Why is it obvious? Give us something to explain why you believe this.
It seems pretty obvious he's NOT the same Jones, if you ask me. He seemed genuinely confused and nervous when Peter started telling him things, indicating he and peter had never met before.
Why its obvious to me at least:
1) The scar, I think he was cut in half and is alive again somehow
2) In season one this man was working for Walternate(A/B). If in Universe C/D Walternate isnt quite the bastard we knew and loved from Universe A/B and hes really confused by the shapeshifters (and he never met jones before)then the Jones of universe C/D would never have known about alternate universes.
3) Olivia(C/D) isnt apparently getting the memories of Fauxlivia (C/D) shes getting the memories of Olivia (A/B). since the events of westfield were merging universes, not timelines, this points to Jones trying to merge not C and D but A and C, which makes A/B a parallel universe to C/D, going on at the same time as each other, not C/D being a rewriting of the timeline of A/B else the memories of A/B olivia is getting would never have existed. Why would Jones pick Universe A instead of D unless he had some kind of connection to A/B.
Heres a question i would have liked answered. Send a messenger to the other side (C to D) and ask if this town was just wiped off the map on that universe. if it was then this theory would be wrong, but i think olivia's memories did come from the events of westfield just not in exactly the same way. I cant think of anything nina is doing could cause her to get memories from A/B (on futher thought) so I'm back to thinking the westfield event caused the memories to return. Walter not finding anything wrong with her blood just means that she wasnt having the duplicate body parts, it doesnt mean she didnt merge mentally, probably as a result of the chemical walter put into her (in A/B at least)as a child (which i bet is the same stuff nina is putting into her now). I dont remember the chemicals name.
In this timeline there was no peter. Jones was never cut in half. without peter the team never even knew Jones existed. So it stands to reason his original plan of teleporting out the prison, Remaking the gate device and crossing over succeeded without interference.
I missed bits of the beginning of the episode, but I'm under the impression that she had a sexy-times dream about Peter prior to going to Westfield. While she might just have been getting a little Bishop fever independent of any mental mergers ongoing, I got the impression that the dream sequence was meant to clue us into Olivia recovering alternate-timeline memories independent of whatever was going on in the town. The whole merging universe town plot just served to distract from what's going on in Olivia's head while it happened (or at least provide an obvious scapegoat reason, preventing Peter or Walter from probing more deeply as to what she's remembering until it's too late).
I imagine it's a (pardon the pun) fringe effect of Peter's appearance in the current timeline. He was meant to be erased but, as I think one of the observers put it, bled through into the no-Peter timeline. Walter and Olivia were the only people who were aware of his existence prior to him actually reappearing, so it makes sense that, if any part of the original timeline is going to reassert itself, they would be the first ones to feel the effects. Thus we have Olivia remembering her relationship and Walter just feeling more positive toward Peter and less inclined to hide in his lab all the time. Recall that at the beginning of the season, Walter just heard occasional messages from Peter or saw him in the mirror. Olivia had dreams where she saw and interacted with him. Presumably her drug-addled brain is better at catching alternate-timeline-Peter-waves, so his timeline history is bleeding through into her memory more rapidly than it is Walter's.
The drug was Cortexophan (or some spelling thereof).
You knew there was no happy ending yet, but what...
Wikipedia says the writer is the same guy who did Alone in the World (the one where Walter almost lobotomizes himself), and the episode where DRJ is reintroduced, so my hopes are medium-to-high.