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Soooo.... season finale happened.
Finally fired that Chekov's "Olivia must DIE" Gun. Still have to wait for that guy who Olivia somehow knows is going to kill her to show up. So she can die. Again. I'm guessing that the "They" Spetember spoke of are his evil brethren coming to steal the women and rape the horses, or something like that.
Guess my previous question was answered about what Bell did to piss off post-Carbonite Walter so bad that he'd take a hand as payment/revenge.
Anyone else wondering what the effects of a mostly-dead body have on a fetus? Can't be good.
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Eh, it all depends on how loose they want to play it. We saw how their kid will turn out already. Maybe she has some powers like her mother we just didn't see, maybe she'll drop dead 5 minutes after Peter meets her, who knows. And Olivia dying again seems like 1 too many deaths, so they'll kill Red on the other side. Unless they just wrote them out to drop that entire thing, but I still remember when Bolivia and crew were pretty evil so they can revert to that version of the universe to bump people off.
And they double-fooled me by delaying the reveal that indeed the woman-who-didn't-combust is a 'Get Olivia to use her powers' plant. This'll teach me I'm never wrong! Ms. Plant's methodology needs some work, though, as Olivia could have just shot her dead without using her powers if the plot didn't demand it...
Walter was all trigger happy to put a bullet in Olivia's head, but not Bells? Really? ARGH!
Peter brought a gun, yay! Makes up for him walking into the warehouse in FRONT of the person with the gun earlier...(and again, why no backup...)
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Walter shooting Bell wouldn't stop Olivia from collapsing the two universes.
My question: what happened when Bell rang the bell? Presumably, he didn't just switch back over to the other universe as he would've just dropped into the ocean. Did he vibrate himself out of existence, or go somewhere else?
Walter shooting Bell wouldn't stop Olivia from collapsing the two universes.
My question: what happened when Bell rang the bell? Presumably, he didn't just switch back over to the other universe as he would've just dropped into the ocean. Did he vibrate himself out of existence, or go somewhere else?
Not that it mattered in the end due to Plot Armor, but:
Walter had already stopped Olivia collapsing the universes. And shooting him would stop Bell from doing it again. All NOT shooting him did was put the universes in danger again as well as let Olivia stew with a bullet in her brain that much longer. He should have shot Bell as quickly as he did Olivia and then got busy getting the bullet out.
And of course there's no way to tell where Bell went, other than for sure it wasn't in the ocean to drown...
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It occurred to me that there is an inconsistency. We've been told that the Observers wanted Peter erased, dead as a child, in order to ensure that their future existence was not placed in jeopardy. But the Observer's insistence on the erasure of Peter started Walter on the whole "God is a bastard" path, which resulted in William turning into Captain Moreau. All that did was put events on a course headed right for the History Eraser Button to be pressed.
What I mean is: why take our Peter if it's just going to get the universes corpsified anyway? Unless William's plot would have been foiled even without Peter around, but I'm not sure how that would have happened, what with Walter bound to the lab at that point.
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Walter had already stopped Olivia collapsing the universes. And shooting him would stop Bell from doing it again. All NOT shooting him did was put the universes in danger again as well as let Olivia stew with a bullet in her brain that much longer. He should have shot Bell as quickly as he did Olivia and then got busy getting the bullet out.
I took it as:
Walter had to kill Olivia to save the universes. There was no other foreseeable solution. Kill Olivia immediately, or universe goes asplode.
Once that was done, the universe was at least temporarily safe. Killing Bell at the point would have been more about revenge, and Walter isn't a vengeful murderer. Even if Walter had known that Bell would definitively try his plan again and that they'd be placed in a similar situation down the line, I still don't think he would've shot Bell. Walter just doesn't have it in him.
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I also think that if you cut that last 30 second scene from the end of the episode, you have the perfect series finale, and they filmed it with this in mind, not knowing if a renewal would happen.
It had September's final needed arc, Olivia's freedom from the cortexaphan, Peter and Olivia finally getting a kid and a normal house picked out, Walter at peace, the two universes no longer in conflict with each other, and Walter saying Astrid's name right.
I have a really hard time thinking they will give me a more satisfying end to the show next year; I almost don't want it.
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"the others" are probably either the rest of the Fringe team or the alternate universe Fringe team, but I really want them to be dozens of alternate versions of Walter
"the others" are probably either the rest of the Fringe team or the alternate universe Fringe team, but I really want them to be dozens of alternate versions of Walter
Pretty sure the others are the other Observers coming. That ties it into the flash forward episode.
The interesting thing is that the warning comes before our Observer was shot.
Creepy eyeballs on dead bodies brought back to life will forever haunt my dreams. Literally the creepiest thing ive seen on TV. I wish Fringe had gone dark and unsettling more often. I remember the first episode did so pretty well. But really, up until the finale, they havent gone that route much.
Did they ever do anything with Olivia shutting off the light with her cortexaphan brain?
It seems so; the more she USED the cortexaphan in her system to do things like fuck with lights, or manipulate peoples' biochemistry, or play long distance rock em sock em robots... the more the energy field she generates wakes up.
By constantly challenging her to use her paranormal capabilities, they furthered their goal of generating the energy needed to destroy the world(s)
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I just finished the season. jesus fuck those eyes never sleeping again. Was the future episode thing what's going to be happening next season I take it? I was very confused when it ended on a cliffhanger and yet didn't ever pick back up.
We can only guess at this point. Unless they've dropped hints someone has seen. But you would assume they'll pick that thread back up. Or it'll go the way of "The Pattern"...
Overall, I'm a bit disappointed. There's many things that worked, but the overall season was pretty weak.
I think my main issue, about this season anyway, was how little it made sense or fitted in to the overall arc of the show up to this point. I admired their balls in how they handled the new timeline, but nothing makes sense here anymore. And that's one of the things Fringe was always really good at.
For all that it had tons of random shit and plotlines that went nowhere or were overly complicated and obviously made up on the fly, the first three seasons had an overall momentum towards a specific goal that made it work. It really felt like the big picture was known all along. Each season gradually built up the conflict between the two universes, adding new twists and new ideas but still pushing towards some larger goal that kept getting clearer and clearer. And with the Observers lurking in the background as some sort of wildcard we didn't yet understand.
And then this season comes along and it's all gone. Everyone gets along. The whole "erase Peter from the timeline to fix shit" explanation made no sense whatesoever. And that wasn't even relevant to the overall plot. The whole show hit a giant reset button and now we suddenly have a whole new conflict which, while kinda fun (I love David Robert Jones and missed him from S1), didn't fit in at all with the rest of the show and what it had been moving towards.
And now we've got this new Observer arc? Which seems to be the big thing in S5 which is just weird and doesn't make sense from anything we know so far.
The Observers in Ep19 are nothing like the Observers we see. Their abilities aren't even the same. They just seem like standard generic boring jackbooted conquerors. It doesn't fit with anything we've seen to this point and explains nothing about what they've been doing before now.
Anyway, maybe they'll pull it out of their asses next season. We can hope. But I'm not so confident now, which is funny cause I was very confident in this show as of the end of S3.
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Guess my previous question was answered about what Bell did to piss off post-Carbonite Walter so bad that he'd take a hand as payment/revenge.
Anyone else wondering what the effects of a mostly-dead body have on a fetus? Can't be good.
Walter was all trigger happy to put a bullet in Olivia's head, but not Bells? Really? ARGH!
Peter brought a gun, yay! Makes up for him walking into the warehouse in FRONT of the person with the gun earlier...(and again, why no backup...)
OH MY GOD NIGHTMARE FUEL!
My question: what happened when Bell rang the bell? Presumably, he didn't just switch back over to the other universe as he would've just dropped into the ocean. Did he vibrate himself out of existence, or go somewhere else?
Not that it mattered in the end due to Plot Armor, but:
And of course there's no way to tell where Bell went, other than for sure it wasn't in the ocean to drown...
What I mean is: why take our Peter if it's just going to get the universes corpsified anyway? Unless William's plot would have been foiled even without Peter around, but I'm not sure how that would have happened, what with Walter bound to the lab at that point.
Why not watch the rest to find out? But if you really want to know:
I took it as:
Once that was done, the universe was at least temporarily safe. Killing Bell at the point would have been more about revenge, and Walter isn't a vengeful murderer. Even if Walter had known that Bell would definitively try his plan again and that they'd be placed in a similar situation down the line, I still don't think he would've shot Bell. Walter just doesn't have it in him.
I have a really hard time thinking they will give me a more satisfying end to the show next year; I almost don't want it.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
The interesting thing is that the warning comes before our Observer was shot.
And if Walter can sacrifice Peter and kill Olivia he damn well can shoot Bell. It was a Plot Assisted Escape.
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By constantly challenging her to use her paranormal capabilities, they furthered their goal of generating the energy needed to destroy the world(s)
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but yes they kind of switched directions with that didn't they
Overall, I'm a bit disappointed. There's many things that worked, but the overall season was pretty weak.
I think my main issue, about this season anyway, was how little it made sense or fitted in to the overall arc of the show up to this point. I admired their balls in how they handled the new timeline, but nothing makes sense here anymore. And that's one of the things Fringe was always really good at.
For all that it had tons of random shit and plotlines that went nowhere or were overly complicated and obviously made up on the fly, the first three seasons had an overall momentum towards a specific goal that made it work. It really felt like the big picture was known all along. Each season gradually built up the conflict between the two universes, adding new twists and new ideas but still pushing towards some larger goal that kept getting clearer and clearer. And with the Observers lurking in the background as some sort of wildcard we didn't yet understand.
And then this season comes along and it's all gone. Everyone gets along. The whole "erase Peter from the timeline to fix shit" explanation made no sense whatesoever. And that wasn't even relevant to the overall plot. The whole show hit a giant reset button and now we suddenly have a whole new conflict which, while kinda fun (I love David Robert Jones and missed him from S1), didn't fit in at all with the rest of the show and what it had been moving towards.
And now we've got this new Observer arc? Which seems to be the big thing in S5 which is just weird and doesn't make sense from anything we know so far.
The Observers in Ep19 are nothing like the Observers we see. Their abilities aren't even the same. They just seem like standard generic boring jackbooted conquerors. It doesn't fit with anything we've seen to this point and explains nothing about what they've been doing before now.
Anyway, maybe they'll pull it out of their asses next season. We can hope. But I'm not so confident now, which is funny cause I was very confident in this show as of the end of S3.
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Is he even really involved with his shows past their launch? I know he wasn't really involved in Lost at all after it started.
I thought it was ok, but I think a lot of my detachment comes from being fairly happy with the previous season as a 'show ender'.