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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    i hate all of you with Shogun too but i am consoled because the demo didn't work too well

    but whatevs I just got Napoleon and if Medieval II is any indication I'll put at least 300 hours into it. if I can run napoleon maxed out i oughta be able to run Shogun, right?

    anyway I quit my first campaign because I figured napoleon would be harder then Empire so I started as Prussia on easy

    I got sieged once before I took paris, which I looted for 30k then promptly gave back to the french for a peace treaty so I could crush meckenburg and Austria

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  • KlashKlash Registered User regular
    I think I'm failing to play TW games to their full extent. My version of diplomacy just means I won't attack you yet, so here are some assassins instead.

    All this talk of peace, vassals, protectorates, I've never managed more than a trade route or an alliance offered by happenstance. I've only just realized that you use merchants by literally moving them on top of things like wine or fur, and I don't use priests because assassins make heretics/witches die better. Does anybody have tips for not-genocide in TW?

    Also, I'm totally going to punch the pope in his stupid smug face soon. Milan and those Papal armies are all that stand in my way. I already hold the mouth of Italy and Milan the city. Going to punch him so hard. Stupid crusade calling English hating hat wearing old man.

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    Send diplomats out in every direction early and establish trade partners and maybe allies (allies will not last in Medeival II)

    take your best merchant and send him out to acquire foreign merchants. you get upwards of a thousand florins per acquisition and it kills the foreign merchant and increases your merchant's skill

    use priests, use tons and tons of priests everywhere because the more they convert the better they get, and thus the more likely you are to have a cardinal and therefore papal influence. you also want 99-100% whatever religion you spread in conquered regions on account of happiness issues

    also the ai is open to influence via gifts, you can steal generals with princesses, and extortion is totally viable

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  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    i like how in empire you can trade technology.

    useful shit when your passing out some bayonets and fire by rank to some country on the other side of the world for industrial shit

    and by the time you invade that other country you're gonna have platoon firing and better bayonets

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  • L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    i went to buy shogun at a store and it was $120 haha fuck that

    I was all "uhh $100 I shouldn't really but I guess..." but no

  • MrMonroeMrMonroe Registered User regular
    i like how in empire you can trade technology.

    useful shit when your passing out some bayonets and fire by rank to some country on the other side of the world for industrial shit

    and by the time you invade that other country you're gonna have platoon firing and better bayonets

    I prefer to dole out military tech to the weaker nations. France getting really powerful? Whoops how did Prussia suddenly acquire quicklime shells and reorganized procurement?

  • Bro Chi MinhBro Chi Minh Registered User
    Do AI nations trade technologies with each other? If not I'm going to give Bretagne everything I have and bribe them into fucking with Napoleon.

  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    L|ama wrote: »
    i went to buy shogun at a store and it was $120 haha fuck that

    I was all "uhh $100 I shouldn't really but I guess..." but no

    holy crap is everything that expensive in new zealand

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  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    i like how in empire you can trade technology.

    useful shit when your passing out some bayonets and fire by rank to some country on the other side of the world for industrial shit

    and by the time you invade that other country you're gonna have platoon firing and better bayonets

    I prefer to dole out military tech to the weaker nations. France getting really powerful? Whoops how did Prussia suddenly acquire quicklime shells and reorganized procurement?

    prussian line infantry can eat a dick

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  • FishmanFishman scientia potentia est Robot ProvocateurRegistered User regular
    Fandyien wrote: »
    L|ama wrote: »
    i went to buy shogun at a store and it was $120 haha fuck that

    I was all "uhh $100 I shouldn't really but I guess..." but no

    holy crap is everything that expensive in new zealand

    That's a pretty standard price for new software, but the price drops more rapidly than in North America. It'll be less than half that in a year. L|ama would also save $20 by using an online store.

    As for expense; fuel, cars, most manufactured goods are pretty expensive. Meat, produce and activities can be more affordable.

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    MrMonroe wrote: »
    i like how in empire you can trade technology.

    useful shit when your passing out some bayonets and fire by rank to some country on the other side of the world for industrial shit

    and by the time you invade that other country you're gonna have platoon firing and better bayonets

    I prefer to dole out military tech to the weaker nations. France getting really powerful? Whoops how did Prussia suddenly acquire quicklime shells and reorganized procurement?

    prussian line infantry can eat a dick

    musketeers are pretty hardy for cheapo line infantry

    they do the job super good, though I only ever use them to support units of jagers/silesian skirmishers or i'll mass them to take a star fort

    but they are merely fodder to ensure the preservation of my first foot guards

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  • Dead LegendDead Legend Registered User regular
    well i was playing as the united provinces since i was all yolked up to go to the netherlands

    so they don't have any of those units, fandy.

    i was fighting prussia.

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  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    How many of you guys are playing Shogun 2? I hear it's pretty fucking excellent. I'd have gotten it already, but Pokemon and Dragon Age were what I wanted more.

    Someday soon hopefully.

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  • Steel-AngelSteel-Angel Registered User regular
    i once had an army of napoleon, polish guard lancers, guard chasseurs a cheval, all the special infantry units and four howitzers

    it was pretty hilarious to see ottoman infantry rout as soon as my gunline fired once

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  • KlashKlash Registered User regular
    You guys make Napoleon sound really good. All this talk of rifles, gunpowder and things that go boom.

    Been trying to get my hands on it/Empire TW Gold Edition, despite sucking beyond words at the demo for it and Empire. Just seems so much more complex than previous TW games.

    In terms of depth, is it as scary as I think it is? Just seems to have a huge feature set, and even more diplomacy.

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  • Virgil_Leads_YouVirgil_Leads_You Registered User regular
    Klash wrote: »
    You guys make Napoleon sound really good. All this talk of rifles, gunpowder and things that go boom.

    Been trying to get my hands on it/Empire TW Gold Edition, despite sucking beyond words at the demo for it and Empire. Just seems so much more complex than previous TW games.

    In terms of depth, is it as scary as I think it is? Just seems to have a huge feature set, and even more diplomacy.

    For me it was scary.
    I felt overwhelmed. "How did I think I could lead a nation to war?" I thought.

    I learned.

  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    Klash wrote: »
    You guys make Napoleon sound really good. All this talk of rifles, gunpowder and things that go boom.

    Been trying to get my hands on it/Empire TW Gold Edition, despite sucking beyond words at the demo for it and Empire. Just seems so much more complex than previous TW games.

    In terms of depth, is it as scary as I think it is? Just seems to have a huge feature set, and even more diplomacy.

    Naw, it's not so scary

    The unit diversity is feh because line infantry is line infantry and the battles get boring a little faster then MII, to my mind

    but at the same time there's so much goddamn content it doesn't matter and oh man naval battles

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  • KlashKlash Registered User regular
    I just managed two things: I finally won that demo battle in Empire and I kicked the world's ass as England in MTWII.

    I have such a feeling of accomplishment because I punched out the world. From the Pope to Spain and a brief foray into Russia, I made Europe mine. Just sent an expedition straight to Jerusalem, sacked it, exterminated the populace and claimed victory with 50 odd regions in my domain. I was about to start pressing into Russia, maybe Greece and Northern Africa connected to Spain. The Moors had a single piece of Spain which I felt compelled to have. So, naturally, I took the entire peninsula and wiped out Spain, before surrounding that one Moorish region.

    All told, the only pieces of Europe left were from Helsinki then East and South straight down (meaning Greece). I personally removed Scotland, Denmark, France, Spain, H.R.E., and Poland from the map. By rights, the Papacy should have been done as well, as far as I could tell they had no holdings left. Milan had only one island region and it's capital in Northern Africa left.

    This was such a tough campaign, probably even tougher than my first attempts at Rome. Just a constant barrage from all the fractured nations of Europe, and having fronts open on all sides made for such a harsh border. Now, with Europe subdued, the Pope a warmongering Englishman voted in by corrupt English cardinals, and all my enemies in ruins, I'm setting my sights to the horizon. The New World awaits.

    Also, totally ignored the Pope the entire game. I didn't even get one of my own elected until there was no other nations left to vote against me. It felt pretty good.

    I think Total War might be my favourite video game franchise.

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  • Steel-AngelSteel-Angel Registered User regular
    i wish someone would release a mod for NTW that expanded the game to asia and the new world

    i mean the egypt campaign is about napoleon's expedition to reach the tippoo sultan in india

    i would kill for a chance to bring the revolution to the unwashed savages slaving away in oriental despotisms

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  • L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    Fishman wrote: »
    Fandyien wrote: »
    L|ama wrote: »
    i went to buy shogun at a store and it was $120 haha fuck that

    I was all "uhh $100 I shouldn't really but I guess..." but no

    holy crap is everything that expensive in new zealand

    That's a pretty standard price for new software, but the price drops more rapidly than in North America. It'll be less than half that in a year. L|ama would also save $20 by using an online store.

    As for expense; fuel, cars, most manufactured goods are pretty expensive. Meat, produce and activities can be more affordable.

    console games are regularly $120 to $130, PC ones are usually only up to $100. And yeah it's like $98 or something on mightyape but I wanted it then (and its 50us on steam which is about 70nz now but hhhhhehhh bandwidth)

  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    If you had asked me I would have mailed you the bandwidth.

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  • L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    probably still cheaper and faster to write and mail DVDs around this country than to use internet

  • IvarIvar Registered User regular
    Never underestimate the bandwith of a truck full of hard drives speeding down the highway

  • Macro9Macro9 Registered User regular
    0 to 60 in 3ms

    Going to destroy the circuit when I upgrade to a SSD package.

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  • Bro Chi MinhBro Chi Minh Registered User
    Do the fucking Prussians always have to be so warlike? I wanted to be friends!

  • IvarIvar Registered User regular
    Do the fucking Prussians always have to be so warlike? I wanted to be friends!

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    Not gonna happen

  • IvarIvar Registered User regular
    So how is Shogun 2, anyway? Any major bugs/design flaws?

  • WietWiet Registered User regular
    It's stupidly pretty and a lot of fun. The singleplayer campaign can be suprisingly challenging, but are still fun. The multiplayer is pretty good though, with the avatar campaign being pretty interesting. I haven't noticed any gamebreaking bugs myself, but I've heard people getting their agents stuck forever or armies popping up out of nowhere. It also has some stability issues. You won't notice it much in single player but especially for online play the supporting structure is awful.

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  • TipharethTiphareth Registered User regular
    Also, there are some rather weird bugs. For an example, if you start as Shimazu? (green dude with honour), move your army against the nearest settlement you are at war with and click the army over there before his troops are fully revealed, your game will crash.
    Alot of people are talking about their games getting corrupted, though I haven't had that happen to me personally.

  • GalacticGalactic Registered User
    Never played any of the Total War games, but I am a huge Civilization fan, are the games similar at all? If so I might have to buy them. All of them.

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  • L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    a tiny bit

    the strategic map is kind of like civ without all the government stuff, but instead of completely idiotic dice rolls and spearmen killing abrams you do all the battles and they're the focal point

  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    The only real similarity is their historicalness. If you squint, the strategic map looks a little like Civ, but the meat of the game is the awesome tactical battles.

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  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    I think it would be pretty fair to characterize them as similiar

    Really it's more like civ plus

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  • IvarIvar Registered User regular
    When I played a Total War game for the first time, I thought it was kinda like a civ game, only you fight the battles yourself

    That's not an entirely accurate comparison, of course, but you do build an empire in both of them

  • ToastlyToastly Registered User
    If you like the feeling of creating a nations history that you get from civ you will love total war games.

    Just finished a Prussian campaign in NTW. Sorta disappointed in how bad the AI is even though it is so much better than previous ones. I've finally graduated to VH/VH and it's still pretty hard to loose anything better than 40/60
    I killed Napoleon like 3 time, 2 of them because his general unit charged my Jagers. You are a general. You should not be changing. Ever.

    The other game I've been playing recently is Mount and Blade, and boy i have no idea how it would work but some sort of total war/mount and blade mix would be so awesome.

    If I'm stuck on mediocre wireless networks is Shogun's multiplayer gonna crap all over me? Haven't picked it up yet and I really want to but totally shouldn't. Also a bit worn out of TW: I've beaten 4 campaigns in the past 3 months

  • KlashKlash Registered User regular
    Finding the Americas campaign as Spanish is really easy, but there are some challenges. Perhaps you fine folks know what it takes to stop the English brutes and native hordes.

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    Yellow stuff is me (Spain), the red and orange are my allies (Tlax and Tar natives, they're also allies with each other). I obliterated the Mayans and Aztecs, the Chichimecs and Apacheans are enjoying their little feud above my allies. France is also prancing around there. I'm slowly working my way West from the penninsula, but might cause friction with France. I have 24 of the needed 30 regions to win.

    Problems: Alliances aren't meant to last. I wanna take the Tlax and Tar, but from previously trying, I know that'll just result in a war of attrition. 3000 man stacks will win any given war of attrition against a powerful, limited foe like myself. The English, despite being dispersed already, landed again in the Yucatan, and they're too advanced for me. They've got mortars and muskets all over the place, I barely have muskets and use almost 60 - 70% native mercs. If the damned English weren't showing up on my porch, I could take my allies down.

    How can I advance against my allies/line my border to ensure they don't get aggressive, while simultaneously fending off the far superior (and surprisingly numerous) English? Also, possibly the French.

    Is there any actual end to these God damned explorers? I need to concentrate on the natives, but find that the French/English are just like those bloody hordes out of Barbarian Invasion except worse. They don't have any homes, settlements, not a God damned thing, and must be expelled through force. Worst yet, they come back!

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    Klash, just be thankful there is no fucking pope bothering you.

  • TefTef Registered User regular
    Klash maybe you should spend a few turns consolidating your armies, build up more advanced forces of conquistadores and such. IIRC, my armies were about 50-50 Spanish troops - native mercenaries.

    If you have enough turns left, I would suggest just holding off the fighting and build up dem armies

  • FandyienFandyien But Otto, what about us? Registered User regular
    Just wait until the French and the English establish colonies and start fucking with you

    you get to deal with well equipped european armies instead of swarms of easily routed natives

    also if i had one wish it would be for a working copy of stainless steel, all i want for christmas.

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  • KlashKlash Registered User regular
    Klash, just be thankful there is no fucking pope bothering you.

    My final act as the English was to drive the Papacy into the sea and break the gates of Jerusalem.

    I was a pretty shitty Catholic.
    Tef wrote: »
    Klash maybe you should spend a few turns consolidating your armies, build up more advanced forces of conquistadores and such. IIRC, my armies were about 50-50 Spanish troops - native mercenaries.

    If you have enough turns left, I would suggest just holding off the fighting and build up dem armies

    I've been consolidating my armies, that is to say, I have about 5 armies on my allies borders, 3 armies fighting guerrilla warfare (England landed smack dab in an all jungle section of the map) and an army punching rebels up top. My allies, being natives, have massive armies and seemingly dozens of them. For some really bizarre reason, nobody is hostile with anybody. I had to provoke the Aztecs and Mayans, I even had to provoke the Apacheans and English. No one is losing armies against each other, thinning the heard, they're all just hoarding and it's getting crazy.

    My border forces are pretty much all dismounted/mounted conquistadores, and really, if I wasn't dealing with the English, I could take them. The damned English, though! So many muskets. My forces can't compete and I can't replenish them fast enough. I'd be churning out muskets and handgunners, but my settlements are also very finicky. They're fine so long as I pump them with militia and +happy/order buildings, but the minute I do any other type of building (financial or military), they go bonkers. I noticed my lands are heavily unChristian, so I've stationed a priest in every single settlement, with hopes of lowering the dissent.

    Whoever was behind this "no colonies, can't destroy the faction" stuff with England/France was probably the same guy responsible for hordes in Barbarian Invasion. I bet everyone at the office hates him.

    Edit: Also, are there any pirate mods for Americas/Empire? I have this craving to play as a European nation against full-on pirate and privateer factions, in the Americas.

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