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Amy Chua was Insane, Buy Her New Book Now and Become A Better Parent

Sweeney TomSweeney Tom I can't take 6 on at onceI'm still an apprentice for gods sakesRegistered User regular
so browsing through the Wall Street Journal website

come across this little article

one look at the title: "Why Chinese Mothers are Superior"

yeah i'm probably not gonna like this

a few excerpts:
Amy Chua wrote:
Here are some things my daughters, Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to do:

• attend a sleepover

• have a playdate

• be in a school play

• complain about not being in a school play

• watch TV or play computer games

• choose their own extracurricular activities

• get any grade less than an A

• not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama

• play any instrument other than the piano or violin

• not play the piano or violin.

um, what
Amy Chua wrote:
"Oh no, not this," I said, rolling my eyes. "Everyone is special in their special own way," I mimicked sarcastically. "Even losers are special in their own special way. Well don't worry, you don't have to lift a finger. I'm willing to put in as long as it takes, and I'm happy to be the one hated. And you can be the one they adore because you make them pancakes and take them to Yankees games."

I rolled up my sleeves and went back to Lulu. I used every weapon and tactic I could think of. We worked right through dinner into the night, and I wouldn't let Lulu get up, not for water, not even to go to the bathroom. The house became a war zone, and I lost my voice yelling, but still there seemed to be only negative progress, and even I began to have doubts.

what the fuck
Amy Chua wrote:
no Chinese kid would ever dare say to their mother, "I got a part in the school play! I'm Villager Number Six. I'll have to stay after school for rehearsal every day from 3:00 to 7:00, and I'll also need a ride on weekends." God help any Chinese kid who tried that one.

welp

TL;DR crazy chinese mom lists reasons why chinese moms are better than american and western moms, when in fact she lists crazy examples of her being a bitch of a mom and a horrible person

the best part is she has already written a book detailing her (formerly) crazy methods of motherhood

that's right
Usagi wrote: »
From here


In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Chua stated that the Wall Street Journal's article strung together the most controversial sections of her book and failed to highlight that the book is a memoir about a personal journey of motherhood.

"I was very surprised," she told the Chronicle's Jeff Yang. "They didn't even hint that the book is about a journey, and that the person at beginning of the book is different from the person at the end -- that I get my comeuppance and retreat from this very strict Chinese parenting model."

US journalism fails again

so she was an awful parent

don't do like she did

discuss

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  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    a cultural difference

    i remember someone speaking about this on the today show. this daughter was saying she was thankful her father said she was ashamed of her when she got second place in the science fair

  • SnowbeatSnowbeat Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.Registered User regular
    what does this have anything to do with living in china

    you do realize that chinese people are

    on occasion

    found in places other than china, right

  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom I can't take 6 on at once I'm still an apprentice for gods sakesRegistered User regular
    Snowbeat wrote: »
    what does this have anything to do with living in china

    you do realize that chinese people are

    on occasion

    found in places other than china, right

    if you read the article, it acts like she's basically saying that her behavior isn't uncommon for chinese mothers

    and that terrifies me

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    But they are mostly found

    in china

    Which is not to say that all chinese mothers are like this

    Though this particular woman needs a fucking shoeing

  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    mexican parenting:

    in a bar, keep your back to the wall. do not do any drugs that require the use of a syringe. leave the retarded alone. dont smoke and drive

  • TurambarTurambar Registered User regular
    Snowbeat wrote: »
    what does this have anything to do with living in china

    you do realize that chinese people are

    on occasion

    found in places other than china, right

    OH GOD THEY'RE EVERYWHERE

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  • ackack Registered User regular
    my chinese mammmy

  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] Registered User regular
    Holy fucking shit I just posted a link to this in the Bullying thread.

    Anyway yeah I want to hear people's views on this.

    I want to do with you
    What spring does with the cherry trees.
  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Not everyone can be No.1

    If I have children I will tell them that if it they try their best then it doesn't matter if they came first or last, because they tried their damn best. And they should be proud of that.

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  • skettiosskettios Registered User regular
    Sounds a lot like my korean friend's mom D:

  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom I can't take 6 on at once I'm still an apprentice for gods sakesRegistered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    Not everyone can be No.1

    If I have children I will tell them that if it they try their best then it doesn't matter if they came first or last, because they tried their damn best. And they should be proud of that.

    liiya you are already a better parent than this chick

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  • SnowbeatSnowbeat Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    Not everyone can be No.1

    If I have children I will tell them that if it they try their best then it doesn't matter if they came first or last, because they tried their damn best. And they should be proud of that.
    yeah but could your pussy kids take my chinese ones in a math fight

    i don't think so

  • ackack Registered User regular
    im strangle my chinese baby

  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Snowbeat wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    Not everyone can be No.1

    If I have children I will tell them that if it they try their best then it doesn't matter if they came first or last, because they tried their damn best. And they should be proud of that.
    yeah but could your pussy kids take my chinese ones in a math fight

    i don't think so

    Noooo! I have failed as a mother!


    Ha, thanks Sweeney!

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  • ackack Registered User regular
    chinese baby want bottle

  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] Registered User regular
    The AskAKorean Blog has an interesting post on this:
    There is a lot of buzz about the provocatively-titled Wall Street Journal article, "Why Chinese Mothers Are Superior," written by Professor Amy Chua of Yale Law School. But despite the outrage expressed in the ever-growing comment section of the article, what the Korean found interesting is this: in a poll accompanying the article asking the readers to choose between "permissive Western" versus "demanding Eastern," nearly 60 percent of the readers chose "demanding Eastern." Of course the question in the poll is not a fair question. But it was still interesting to see where the majority was when the push came to shove, even after Prof. Chua made the "Eastern" method of parenting style harsh and borderline cruel.

    If you are wondering what the Korean thought about that article, this post and this post should give you a hint. Just a few more fleeting thoughts after scanning the comment section of the article...

    - Why do people assume that Asian children, raised in the mold of Asian-style parenting, are never ever happy? Have they ever been Asian children? Where do they get off telling children what to feel? And why do they stupidly insist that children should be happy at all moments, all the time?

    - Why do people always bring up "lawyer at a big law firm" as a job that they do not want because people must be miserable? The Korean is a big law firm lawyer, and he can tell you -- the grapes are sweet, delicious, and only just a tiny bit sour (mostly when he has to work on a weekend.)

    - The Korean will leave you with the words of Dr. Jim Yong Kim, president of Dartmouth College:
    I said, "Dad, I'm so excited about my studies at Brown. I think I'm going to major in philosophy." So my father slowly turned the car and put it off to the side of the road, he looked back at me and said: "Hey, when you finish your residency, you can study anything you want." He said: "Look, you are a Chinaman" -- that's how he used to talk -- "You're a Chinaman. And you are not going to make it in this world if you study philosophy. If you think this country owes you anything, you're crazy. You have to get a skill." I ended up doing Ph.D. in anthropology on top of doing my medical degree. But that advice I think was very important, and I find myself giving that advice to students today. You know, it's great to have all these great ideals. But when you go to Haiti, when you go to Africa, they don't ask you, "How much do you feel for my people? How much have you studied?" They say, "Have you brought anything?"

    -EDIT 1/11/11- The Korean Wife's response after reading the article: "All I know is that if Mrs Chua was a mom of one of my students, I would love her. :)" Classical musicians are merciless.

    -EDIT 1/12/11- Commenter Hasani brought up an excellent point:

    [O]ne of the things about "Asian-style" parenting that I think is overlooked quite often by others is that it is an extraordinary tool for upward mobility from poorer backgrounds. Often people talk about how they're just as successful as someone else even though they didn't have as strict parents, but usually these people come from upper middle-class homes and had access to resources many of their Asian counter-parts didn't possess. The importance of a good job is multiplied a hundred-fold when you're familiar with what it is to be poor.

    -EDIT 1/13/11- The Korean really wanted to not spend too much energy on this, but it appears that this will be the defining Asian American story of 2011. New York Times now has several stories dealing with this issue. Well then. The Korean's fuller and more formal response is coming soon.

    It also has interesting comments.
    Spoiler:

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    What spring does with the cherry trees.
  • YukiraYukira What are his rights in this century? Is there a trial... or shall I execute him?Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    Not everyone can be No.1

    If I have children I will tell them that if it they try their best then it doesn't matter if they came first or last, because they tried their damn best. And they should be proud of that.

    liiya you are already a better parent than this chick

    What she isn't telling you is she'll be locking them in a room with angry Seagulls if they don't make first place.

  • SnowbeatSnowbeat Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.Registered User regular
    wong is throwing down sick trigonometry in the center to distract with flash while chun and lee circle around the flanks to cut some tendons with euclidian geometry

    math fight

  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Yukira wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    Not everyone can be No.1

    If I have children I will tell them that if it they try their best then it doesn't matter if they came first or last, because they tried their damn best. And they should be proud of that.

    liiya you are already a better parent than this chick

    What she isn't telling you is she'll be locking them in a room with angry Seagulls if they don't make first place.

    This will never happen, Liiya couldn't keep live seagulls

    She kills them on sight

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    My mom is Chinese, but most of the forced musical instrument study came from my dad (a music professor). It was a long while before we were allowed to play computer games, didn't have any TV except PBS, couldn't have any friends to sleep over (eventaully we were allowed to go on sleepovers), obviously there was the pressure to get good grades.

    We were allowed to do school plays though.

  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Yukira wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    Not everyone can be No.1

    If I have children I will tell them that if it they try their best then it doesn't matter if they came first or last, because they tried their damn best. And they should be proud of that.

    liiya you are already a better parent than this chick

    What she isn't telling you is she'll be locking them in a room with angry Seagulls if they don't make first place.

    "SECOND in Under 10s Florist Of The Year?! Go to your room!"

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  • YukiraYukira What are his rights in this century? Is there a trial... or shall I execute him?Registered User regular
    Liiya wrote: »
    Yukira wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    Not everyone can be No.1

    If I have children I will tell them that if it they try their best then it doesn't matter if they came first or last, because they tried their damn best. And they should be proud of that.

    liiya you are already a better parent than this chick

    What she isn't telling you is she'll be locking them in a room with angry Seagulls if they don't make first place.

    "SECOND in Under 10s Florist Of The Year?! Go to your room!"

    No Mummy! Don't let the rabid Seagull in my room!

  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom I can't take 6 on at once I'm still an apprentice for gods sakesRegistered User regular
    ack wrote: »
    chinese baby want bottle

    CHINESE BABY GET BOTTLE AFTER CHINESE BABY GO INTO HARVARD AS VALEDICTORIAN

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Yukira wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    Yukira wrote: »
    Liiya wrote: »
    Not everyone can be No.1

    If I have children I will tell them that if it they try their best then it doesn't matter if they came first or last, because they tried their damn best. And they should be proud of that.

    liiya you are already a better parent than this chick

    What she isn't telling you is she'll be locking them in a room with angry Seagulls if they don't make first place.

    "SECOND in Under 10s Florist Of The Year?! Go to your room!"

    No Mummy! Don't let the rabid Seagull in my room!

    I didn't want to but you're not leaving me any options.

  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Ahh parenting. Easy as pie.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Pie is surprisingly difficult.

  • SheriSheri Registered User regular
    Here's my issue: Just because your kid does better in school doesn't mean your parenting is superior

  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    Parenting. As difficult as pie.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Sheri wrote: »
    Here's my issue: Just because your kid does better in school doesn't mean your parenting is superior

    Yes this also seems to be an issue

    The successes of a child are not the successes of the parent

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Sheri wrote: »
    Here's my issue: Just because your kid does better in school doesn't mean your parenting is superior

    It also means my child is superior.

    Maybe you haven't seen my bumper sticker.

  • FrankoFranko Sometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeat Registered User regular
    good thing it is my job as a handsome ass white man to track down these chinese bitches and steal from them everything their mother's taught them was right

  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    teach your children about their station and class and only how to meet the expectations of the outside world

    show your children how much whiskey costs

  • ackack Registered User regular
    my two chinese mommies

  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] Registered User regular
    I think being demanding of your child is important as a parent, and pushing them as well. But quite a lot of that is unnecessarily cruel. Not letting your daughter go to the bathroom until she gets the piece? Why?

    Also not let them choose which instrument to play. Why the hell are the piano and violin their only choices? Way to be a stereotype. Not letting them do any other extra-curricular activity or hang out with friends? Why?

    I want to do with you
    What spring does with the cherry trees.
  • YukiraYukira What are his rights in this century? Is there a trial... or shall I execute him?Registered User regular
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Pie is surprisingly difficult.

    What kind of pie? Pumpkin pie is pretty easy to make.

  • ackack Registered User regular
    my chinese popcorn

    i want popcorn

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    I'll see my child dead before I see them play the viola.

  • Anjin-SanAnjin-San That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    instead of baby formula, ween your child on mcdonalds shamrock shakes

  • KalTorakKalTorak Registered User regular
    Yukira wrote: »
    KalTorak wrote: »
    Pie is surprisingly difficult.

    What kind of pie? Pumpkin pie is pretty easy to make.

    Well, mostly the crust is the difficult part.

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