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State of the Union thread - Tuesday (January 25th) at 9 PM

MKRMKR Registered User regular
edited January 2011 in Debate and/or Discourse
Tuesday! Nine PM!

(eastern time)

Expected talking points:
* Obama's preliminary plan for the establishment of his dark reich

And probably things about turning from stabilization to recovery.

You can watch it online at whitehouse.gov: http://www.whitehouse.gov/state-of-the-union-2011

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I will be in class when this happens, unfortunately.

    I swear to god if he uses the word "austerity" outside of the phrase "this is not the time for" I'm done with this administration.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'll try to remember to edit a video of it in after it's over for people who didn't catch it.

  • GalahadGalahad Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm kind of interested in the State of the Unity parties that the No Labels folks are trying to organize.

    There is a dude co-hosting one w/ the Houston NAACP locally... but I sadly don't think I'm going to be able to make it.

  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Speculation:

    Obama will be cool, rational and collected, Democrats will trip over each other to applaud him, Republicans will heckle and sneer. At least one call of "Show us the Birth Certificate" will be heard during a pause in the speech.

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    They really should do this thing earlier than 9PM ET.

    And as I was saying in the Congress thread, I cannot wait to hear Rep Ryan's well-reasoned rebuttal that will totally not at all involve putting the US in dire financial straits because OMGSPENDINGDEFICITCHINADEBTFORTHECHILDREN!

  • FencingsaxFencingsax Bondage Discipline Spider-Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I wish we could have rebuttals to rebuttals. Just a list of "Oh, and by the way, all of what Paul Ryan said is a lie"

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    How is the "mixed seating" idea going? I saw where McConnell isn't participating.

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  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm rather glad it's 9pm ET. That means it's 6 PT, which means I'll actually be home from work in time to see it, as opposed to it airing during my evening commute, like most shit does.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So it looks like the Republicans are going to snub the Democract's offer to mix the seating up rather than sit according to party. They suspect a "trap" I shit you not.

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So it looks like the Republicans are going to snub the Democract's offer to mix the seating up rather than sit according to party. They suspect a "trap" I shit you not.

    At the strike of the clock, every Dem will turn to the left and stab the Pub sitting next to them?

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So it looks like the Republicans are going to snub the Democract's offer to mix the seating up rather than sit according to party. They suspect a "trap" I shit you not.

    Considering they fell right into it, I'd say they were right.

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  • sterling3763sterling3763 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So it looks like the Republicans are going to snub the Democract's offer to mix the seating up rather than sit according to party. They suspect a "trap" I shit you not.

    It looks like the Senate more or less embraced the idea. I think the only real standout is McConnell and he's posturing because he's afraid of getting primaried in 2014. It's been amusing over the past two days to see which Senators will attend with each other. Getting the proper date is hard.

    THe House doesn't really seem to have gotten on board with the idea, though.

  • ChillyWillyChillyWilly Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So it looks like the Republicans are going to snub the Democract's offer to mix the seating up rather than sit according to party. They suspect a "trap" I shit you not.

    Considering they fell right into it, I'd say they were right.

    Seriously.

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    Repubs - "Fuck that and fuck you."

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  • sterling3763sterling3763 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Here's a list of the legislators who'll be sitting together. I think there might've been a few more announcements, but you'll have to hunt for them yourself.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So it looks like the Republicans are going to snub the Democract's offer to mix the seating up rather than sit according to party. They suspect a "trap" I shit you not.

    Considering they fell right into it, I'd say they were right.

    Seriously.

    Dems - "Here's an easy chance to at least look bi-partisan."

    Repubs - "Fuck that and fuck you."
    One congressman said something along the lines of "it's an attempt to silence the Republican opposition."

    Well, Duh. It's a hell of a lot harder to scream out "you lie" when you're surrounded by people who are perfectly happy to sell you out to the press.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Parental Unit RemulakRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Houn wrote: »
    Speculation:

    Obama will be cool, rational and collected, Democrats will trip over each other to applaud him, Republicans will heckle and sneer. At least one call of "Show us the Birth Certificate" will be heard during a pause in the speech.

    Unless, of course, the Democrats still haven't learned from the last election and attempt to remove themselves from Obama even further.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So it looks like the Republicans are going to snub the Democract's offer to mix the seating up rather than sit according to party. They suspect a "trap" I shit you not.

    I guess Obama is going to have to remove the recognition for Admiral Ackbar from the speech now.

    (just to prevent a rehash of the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" talking point).

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    So it looks like the Republicans are going to snub the Democract's offer to mix the seating up rather than sit according to party. They suspect a "trap" I shit you not.

    Considering they fell right into it, I'd say they were right.

    Seriously.

    Dems - "Here's an easy chance to at least look bi-partisan."

    Repubs - "Fuck that and fuck you."
    One congressman said something along the lines of "it's an attempt to silence the Republican opposition."

    Well, Duh. It's a hell of a lot harder to scream out "you lie" when you're surrounded by people who are perfectly happy to sell you out to the press.

    Nah, he's just sitting next to a fake Rep.
    Del. Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam) plans to sit next to Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.).

  • YougottawannaYougottawanna Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Supposedly the theme will be "competitiveness." I'm cautiously optimistic. I predict he will unveil 3 good proposals, one mediocre one, and one bad one. So that's overall a net positive of two.

    Krugman also wrote an OK column about it: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/24/opinion/24krugman.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It's a great time to sell the nation on healthcare and make the GOP look stupid for trying to repeal it. Especially since the majority of the nation doesn't want it repealed anyway. But he has to word it carefully, partisan attacks during SotU aren't cool.

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    We should have a betting pool or drinking game based on the number of hecklers present.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava One day, I will be able to say to myself "I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    ohman.

    I don't know why I thought this was going to be on Friday. Glad this thread popped up for me.

    heheheh I get control of the television mwuahahahaha.


    ok, so Paul Ryan and Bachmann give rebuttals? Interesting

  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    So it looks like the Republicans are going to snub the Democract's offer to mix the seating up rather than sit according to party. They suspect a "trap" I shit you not.

    Considering they fell right into it, I'd say they were right.

    Seriously.

    Dems - "Here's an easy chance to at least look bi-partisan."

    Repubs - "Fuck that and fuck you."
    One congressman said something along the lines of "it's an attempt to silence the Republican opposition."

    Well, Duh. It's a hell of a lot harder to scream out "you lie" when you're surrounded by people who are perfectly happy to sell you out to the press.

    Which is hilarious because the State of the Union address is not a time for people to do the whole opposition thing.

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  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User
    edited January 2011
    Henroid wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    So it looks like the Republicans are going to snub the Democract's offer to mix the seating up rather than sit according to party. They suspect a "trap" I shit you not.

    Considering they fell right into it, I'd say they were right.

    Seriously.

    Dems - "Here's an easy chance to at least look bi-partisan."

    Repubs - "Fuck that and fuck you."
    One congressman said something along the lines of "it's an attempt to silence the Republican opposition."

    Well, Duh. It's a hell of a lot harder to scream out "you lie" when you're surrounded by people who are perfectly happy to sell you out to the press.

    Which is hilarious because the State of the Union address is not a time for people to do the whole opposition thing.

    That's for 30 seconds after it's over?

    the GOP shouldn't give a rats ass about them since they won't vote for them. If someone won't vote for you they might as well not exist.
  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Which is hilarious because the State of the Union address is not a time for people to do the whole opposition thing.

    That's for 30 seconds after it's over?
    :?:

    That's correct. The time for a rebuttal is after the person whose points you would like to rebut is finished speaking. Which, in this case, is after the SotU is over. Is this a trick question?

  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User
    edited January 2011
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Which is hilarious because the State of the Union address is not a time for people to do the whole opposition thing.

    That's for 30 seconds after it's over?
    :?:

    That's correct. The time for a rebuttal is after the person whose points you would like to rebut is finished speaking. Which, in this case, is after the SotU is over. Is this a trick question?

    These rebuttals are often completely independent from what the President actually says (they've been written long before the speech is given), and will, no matter what, be basically a florid version of "this guy is a douchebag".

    Sorry, I just meant that it's always going to be (emphasis) opposition, not that I was formulating some trick question.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I've heard less recently about the President going after social security lately, so I'm cautiously optimistic. If he does that, Democrats become the dumbest political party of all time, so that's exciting.

    But it would give Andrew Sullivan an orgasm, so yay?

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Parental Unit RemulakRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I've heard less recently about the President going after social security lately, so I'm cautiously optimistic. If he does that, Democrats become the dumbest political party of all time, so that's exciting.

    But it would give Andrew Sullivan an orgasm, so yay?

    I know you're not being 100% serious about this but man. There are some dumb political parties. They may as well be 4th parties.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OK, I wasn't counting the insane ones. Mainstream party. And I do think that's actually true.

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  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Which is hilarious because the State of the Union address is not a time for people to do the whole opposition thing.

    That's for 30 seconds after it's over?

    What I'm saying is nobody should interrupt someone giving a speech like this. Rebuttals can wait for after. It's rude, and just polarizes things further.

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  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Parental Unit RemulakRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Henroid wrote: »
    What I'm saying is nobody should interrupt someone giving a sp

    You are a socialist

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Henroid wrote: »
    What I'm saying is nobody should interrupt someone giving a sp

    You are a socialist

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I wonder if Ryan will just read Galt's speech. And how much of it the networks would show before they got bored.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I've heard less recently about the President going after social security lately, so I'm cautiously optimistic. If he does that, Democrats become the dumbest political party of all time, so that's exciting.

    But it would give Andrew Sullivan an orgasm, so yay?
    Good news on that front, maybe.

    The social security front, not the Sullivan orgasm front.

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  • rndmherorndmhero Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    I've heard less recently about the President going after social security lately, so I'm cautiously optimistic. If he does that, Democrats become the dumbest political party of all time, so that's exciting.

    But it would give Andrew Sullivan an orgasm, so yay?
    Good news on that front, maybe.

    The social security front, not the Sullivan orgasm front.

    That's encouraging to hear. After the roller-coaster of legislation that was this past December, my confidence is extremely shaky, so I'm interested to see what direction he's going to go. Obama's been using a lot of middling rhetoric lately, and it remains to be seen whether it's an attempt at better messaging or a sincere step to the right.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA
    edited January 2011
    They really should do this thing earlier than 9PM ET.

    Well, you know, there are some of us on the west coast that would like to see it too.

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  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Coincidentally the 25th is also Robbie Burns Night, so there is a slight possibility that the State of the Union will get a little odd. Here is hoping!

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  • iTunesIsEviliTunesIsEvil Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    They really should do this thing earlier than 9PM ET.

    Well, you know, there are some of us on the west coast that would like to see it too.
    Then maybe you should make your clocks run on the real time, you lazy leftist-coast hippies.

    :wink:

  • HenroidHenroid Nobody Nowhere fastRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Henroid wrote: »
    What I'm saying is nobody should interrupt someone giving a sp

    You are a socialist

    Almost word for word repeat of an argument with my mother, right here.

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  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Tomanta wrote: »
    It's a great time to sell the nation on healthcare and make the GOP look stupid for trying to repeal it. Especially since the majority of the nation doesn't want it repealed anyway. But he has to word it carefully, partisan attacks during SotU aren't cool.

    Except the dems could say the sky was blue and that would be an attack on REAL AMERICAN VALUES

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