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State of the Union thread - Tuesday (January 25th) at 9 PM

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    You're essentially advocating using a tragedy to further a political goal that may or may not have anything to do with the actual event.
    No, I'm advocating that when something shitty happens, we try to fix what caused it. Not something unrelated.

    Mentally ill people bent on assassination will probably be detered by the loss of their ability to purchase certain kinds of weapons.

    Good call. Very common-sensy of you.

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    Walkers with the sun and morning, we are not afraid of night,
    Nor days of gloom, nor darkness -
    Being walkers with the sun and morning.
  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot P'burg, MTRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    You're essentially advocating using a tragedy to further a political goal that may or may not have anything to do with the actual event.
    No, I'm advocating that when something shitty happens, we try to fix what caused it. Not something unrelated.

    Pretty sure access to extended magazines didn't cause this.
    It sure as hell helped.
    A seriously unbalanced man who didn't get the treatment he needed caused this.
    That's true. And I'd like to do something about that.

    Spoiler:
  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    when was the last hit and run you've heard of that killed 6 people?
    And injured 20.

    And managed to get that close to a crowd without someone screaming a warning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
    2 dead, 15 injured.

    Not bad, but not semi-automatic with extended clip numbers.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    You're essentially advocating using a tragedy to further a political goal that may or may not have anything to do with the actual event.
    No, I'm advocating that when something shitty happens, we try to fix what caused it. Not something unrelated.

    Pretty sure access to extended magazines didn't cause this.
    It sure as hell helped.

    So as a result you'll ban them everywhere?

    That's like the definition of reactionary policy.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    You're essentially advocating using a tragedy to further a political goal that may or may not have anything to do with the actual event.
    No, I'm advocating that when something shitty happens, we try to fix what caused it. Not something unrelated.

    Mentally ill people bent on assassination will probably be detered by the loss of their ability to purchase certain kinds of weapons.

    Good call. Very common-sensy of you.

    doesn't mean their job should be made as easy as possible

    someone with enough determination could build a bomb. Does that mean we should sell TNT at the corner store?

  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    when was the last hit and run you've heard of that killed 6 people?
    And injured 20.

    And managed to get that close to a crowd without someone screaming a warning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
    2 dead, 15 injured.

    Not bad, but not semi-automatic with extended clip numbers.

    "he then stabbed at least 12 people using a dagger (initially reported as a survival knife)[1] killing four people and injuring eight."

  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    when was the last hit and run you've heard of that killed 6 people?
    And injured 20.

    And managed to get that close to a crowd without someone screaming a warning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
    2 dead, 15 injured.

    Not bad, but not semi-automatic with extended clip numbers.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq-bombing-20110128,0,6457116.story count?

    Or are we just saying what should be legally obtainable, instead of simply possible to do?

    Crazy person who wants to mass murder people will mass murder people. The method chosen will likely just be the path of least resistance.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    You're essentially advocating using a tragedy to further a political goal that may or may not have anything to do with the actual event.
    No, I'm advocating that when something shitty happens, we try to fix what caused it. Not something unrelated.

    Pretty sure access to extended magazines didn't cause this.
    It sure as hell helped.

    So as a result you'll ban them everywhere?

    That's like the definition of reactionary policy.
    "Some states are enacting barriers to minority voting, we should ban that at a federal level so it doesn't happen."

    "SHUT UP FASCIST REACTIONARY!"

    If there's no upside to something, but there is an obvious and visible downside to something, it is absolutely something that should be looked at legally. That's not reactionary, that's just looking at the data.

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I don't think freaking out about extended mags is the right answer.

    While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    kildy wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    when was the last hit and run you've heard of that killed 6 people?
    And injured 20.

    And managed to get that close to a crowd without someone screaming a warning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
    2 dead, 15 injured.

    Not bad, but not semi-automatic with extended clip numbers.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq-bombing-20110128,0,6457116.story count?

    Or are we just saying what should be legally obtainable, instead of simply possible to do?

    Crazy person who wants to mass murder people will mass murder people. The method chosen will likely just be the path of least resistance.
    Name one upside of 30 round clips.

    I'll wait.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. On Hiatus!

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  • HamHamJHamHamJ Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    kildy wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    when was the last hit and run you've heard of that killed 6 people?
    And injured 20.

    And managed to get that close to a crowd without someone screaming a warning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
    2 dead, 15 injured.

    Not bad, but not semi-automatic with extended clip numbers.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq-bombing-20110128,0,6457116.story count?

    Or are we just saying what should be legally obtainable, instead of simply possible to do?

    Crazy person who wants to mass murder people will mass murder people. The method chosen will likely just be the path of least resistance.
    Name one upside of 30 round clips.

    I'll wait.

    Ability to defend yourself from a lynch mob.

    While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    when was the last hit and run you've heard of that killed 6 people?
    And injured 20.

    And managed to get that close to a crowd without someone screaming a warning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
    2 dead, 15 injured.

    Not bad, but not semi-automatic with extended clip numbers.

    "he then stabbed at least 12 people using a dagger (initially reported as a survival knife)[1] killing four people and injuring eight."
    Yeah, I missed the writeup of the aftermath of the stabbings, my bad. So it's comparable.

    But then, knives and trucks are both valuable to society, and I have yet to see convincing evidence that 30 round clips are.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. On Hiatus!

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot P'burg, MTRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    You're essentially advocating using a tragedy to further a political goal that may or may not have anything to do with the actual event.
    No, I'm advocating that when something shitty happens, we try to fix what caused it. Not something unrelated.

    Mentally ill people bent on assassination will probably be detered by the loss of their ability to purchase certain kinds of weapons.

    Good call. Very common-sensy of you.
    You're right, if we can't prevent something entirely in one try we shouldn't do anything.

    Spoiler:
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Ability to defend yourself from a lynch mob.

    So take all the extended magazines from straight white people? Deal.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    kildy wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    when was the last hit and run you've heard of that killed 6 people?
    And injured 20.

    And managed to get that close to a crowd without someone screaming a warning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre
    2 dead, 15 injured.

    Not bad, but not semi-automatic with extended clip numbers.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iraq-bombing-20110128,0,6457116.story count?

    Or are we just saying what should be legally obtainable, instead of simply possible to do?

    Crazy person who wants to mass murder people will mass murder people. The method chosen will likely just be the path of least resistance.
    Name one upside of 30 round clips.

    I'll wait.

    Ability to defend yourself from a lynch mob.
    Because a lynch mob isn't going to have armed people that can possible shoot at you while you're aiming at other people.

    Seriously, that's ridiculous.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. On Hiatus!

    Any gamers in the Danville, PA area? PM me if you're interested in some tabletop gaming.
  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User
    edited January 2011
    Speaker wrote: »
    You're essentially advocating using a tragedy to further a political goal that may or may not have anything to do with the actual event.
    No, I'm advocating that when something shitty happens, we try to fix what caused it. Not something unrelated.

    Mentally ill people bent on assassination will probably be detered by the loss of their ability to purchase certain kinds of weapons.

    Good call. Very common-sensy of you.

    doesn't mean their job should be made as easy as possible

    someone with THE INTERNET could build a bomb. Does that mean we should sell TNT at the corner store?

    I had to fix this. Lack of intelligence is not going to stop someone with a chip on their shoulder.

    the GOP shouldn't give a rats ass about them since they won't vote for them. If someone won't vote for you they might as well not exist.
  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot P'burg, MTRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    HamHamJ wrote: »
    I don't think freaking out about extended mags is the right answer.

    Who's freaking out?

    Spoiler:
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Seriously, that's ridiculous.

    This from a guy who just said
    "Some states are enacting barriers to minority voting, we should ban that at a federal level so it doesn't happen."

    "SHUT UP FASCIST REACTIONARY!"

    If there's no upside to something, but there is an obvious and visible downside to something, it is absolutely something that should be looked at legally. That's not reactionary, that's just looking at the data.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Octoparrot wrote: »
    Speaker wrote: »
    You're essentially advocating using a tragedy to further a political goal that may or may not have anything to do with the actual event.
    No, I'm advocating that when something shitty happens, we try to fix what caused it. Not something unrelated.

    Mentally ill people bent on assassination will probably be detered by the loss of their ability to purchase certain kinds of weapons.

    Good call. Very common-sensy of you.

    doesn't mean their job should be made as easy as possible

    someone with THE INTERNET could build a bomb. Does that mean we should sell TNT at the corner store?

    I had to fix this. Lack of intelligence is not going to stop someone with a chip on their shoulder.
    Here's the thing, though.

    Anyone with the internet can figure out how to cook meth. That doesn't mean we shouldn't regulate access to the stuff that goes into it.

    Just because steps can fail to prevent bad stuff doesn't mean they shouldn't be taken.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. On Hiatus!

    Any gamers in the Danville, PA area? PM me if you're interested in some tabletop gaming.
  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Seriously, that's ridiculous.

    This from a guy who just said
    "Some states are enacting barriers to minority voting, we should ban that at a federal level so it doesn't happen."

    "SHUT UP FASCIST REACTIONARY!"

    If there's no upside to something, but there is an obvious and visible downside to something, it is absolutely something that should be looked at legally. That's not reactionary, that's just looking at the data.
    Yeah.

    One of those situations actually fucking happened and resulted in widely touted federal regulations. The other is a ridiculous hypothetical that involves an armed man and an apparently unarmed lynch mob.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. On Hiatus!

    Any gamers in the Danville, PA area? PM me if you're interested in some tabletop gaming.
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    How is it ridiculous to suggest there's no upside to extended magazines? In what non-Mad Max situation does a lawful gun owner need to fire more than 15 (I believe that's the size of a normal magazine for this particular weapon) shots before reloading?

    Are a swarm of deer attacking?

  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Except blocking access to certain drugs does actually hamper the ability to produce meth. There's not much evidence that's the case with guns.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Except blocking access to certain drugs does actually hamper the ability to produce meth. There's not much evidence that's the case with guns.

    Were there mass shootings from extended mag guns when said mags were illegal under the previous assult weapon bans?

  • MagicPrimeMagicPrime "We're ready to believe you..." FireSideWizardRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    when was the last hit and run you've heard of that killed 6 people?
    And injured 20.

    And managed to get that close to a crowd without someone screaming a warning.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

    We need to pass legislation to restrict truck rentals!

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Except blocking access to certain drugs does actually hamper the ability to produce meth. There's not much evidence that's the case with guns.

    Were there mass shootings from extended mag guns when said mags were illegal under the previous assult weapon bans?

    If the goal is to stop shootings like this one then there is little evidence it would do much.

    This is getting off topic, this isn't a gun control thread.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Except blocking access to certain drugs does actually hamper the ability to produce meth. There's not much evidence that's the case with guns.

    course its in arizona where I'd rate the difficulty in getting a gun slightly higher than a library card

  • DeebaserDeebaser At the corporate garage sale This is cheap and plentifulRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    While modern world is usually pretty funny, its painful to see it acknowledge the guy's motivations are unclear and then immediately try to tie it to political attacks.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Ann Arbor, MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    You missed the joke. Along those lines!

    Isolated!

    Toooooooootally isolated!

    Also, does anyone else hear the isolated guy's lines in H. Jon Benjamin's voice or am I just excited for the Archer season 2 premiere tonight?

  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot P'burg, MTRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Except blocking access to certain drugs does actually hamper the ability to produce meth. There's not much evidence that's the case with guns.

    Were there mass shootings from extended mag guns when said mags were illegal under the previous assult weapon bans?

    If the goal is to stop shootings like this one then there is little evidence it would do much.
    Except that Loughner stopped when he was tackled while reloading. If he'd had to reload fifteen bullets sooner, less harm would have been caused.

    Spoiler:
  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Except blocking access to certain drugs does actually hamper the ability to produce meth. There's not much evidence that's the case with guns.

    Were there mass shootings from extended mag guns when said mags were illegal under the previous assult weapon bans?

    If the goal is to stop shootings like this one then there is little evidence it would do much.
    Except that Loughner stopped when he was tackled while reloading. If he'd had to reload fifteen bullets sooner, less harm would have been caused.

    Make a gun thread.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Super Moderator, Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited January 2011
    I haven't seen a word about the SOTU in pages.

    It appears we're done here.

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    Riley: "Hahaha, yeah!"
    Maddie: "Look, now it's as big as your butt!"
    Riley: "Omigosh, it looks just like my butt!"
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