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State of the Union thread - Tuesday (January 25th) at 9 PM

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    a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Senator Kirk on PBS News Hour just mentioned that Obama is going to push for a line item veto in the SotU.

    I think that is such a horrible idea.

    Yeah if we're going to start the amendment process (which is what that would take), I can think of a few other things I'd rather have first.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Abolishing the Senate?

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    A slightly changed line-item that should avoid the previous objection has been floating around for a while now. Don't remember how they did that though.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    But still, how is the line-item veto going to fix anything?

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    a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    A slightly changed line-item that should avoid the previous objection has been floating around for a while now. Don't remember how they did that though.

    According to Wikipedia, the latest proposals have been that the president can automatically send a bill to Congress (another power the Executive doesn't have) for a simple majority vote on a single line item that has to be acted on within x days and can't be filibustered. Some people say this makes it Constitutional, but I don't think the SCOTUS would see it that way.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    so the speech is at 9, what time is pregame? about 730? 8?

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Depends if a Republican was President when the case made it to SCOTUS.

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    But still, how is the line-item veto going to fix anything?
    .....magic?

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    a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Abolishing the Senate?

    I'd like to see (liberal) clarifications on the 2nd and 4th (not that I trust Congress to do what I want for either of these) while also removing any possibility of corporate personhood.

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    a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Depends if a Republican was President when the case made it to SCOTUS.

    True, but Bush couldn't even get the watered-down version through Congress during the end of his term (he asked for it during the 2006 SoTU), so I doubt it'll pass anyway.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Abolishing the Senate?

    I'd like to see (liberal) clarifications on the 2nd and 4th (not that I trust Congress to do what I want for either of these) while also removing any possibility of corporate personhood.

    Yeah, my actual (unrealistic) requests would be:

    1) Corporations aren't people, nimrods.
    2) Money isn't speech.

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    galenbladegalenblade Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm remembering something back from when Obama went to that Question Time thing with the GOP, and a GOP-er actually brought up the possiblity of reinstating the line-item veto. I think it was actually Paul Ryan.

    EDIT: HA! Knew it. He actually introduced the bill in the House, a companion to a bill in the Senate introduced by McCain and Feingold.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Probably.

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    CajiggersCajiggers __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
    Is this going to be a short SOTU?

    I mean, not much has happened really in the past year. Country is just waiting out a shitty economy it seems.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Depending on applause breaks, I'd guess an hour.

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    CajiggersCajiggers __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
    People gonna be clapping all night in this bitch?

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    Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Cajiggers wrote: »
    People gonna be clapping all night in this bitch?

    It's the SotU. They clap every time the president stops to take a breath.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It's going to be fun watching the mixed seating group try to figure out what's going on.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    the Republicans should just play vuvuzelas whenever obama starts talking to provide visual and auditory accompaniment to their legislative style

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It's going to be fun watching the mixed seating group try to figure out what's going on.

    You'll know who's who when at the president's word all the dems stab the republican sitting next to them in the chest.

    It is after all, a trap.

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    [Tycho?][Tycho?] As elusive as doubt Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    the Republicans should just play vuvuzelas whenever obama starts talking to provide visual and auditory accompaniment to their legislative style

    God that would be amazing. I'd turn into a republican if they did that.

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    Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    Cajiggers wrote: »
    People gonna be clapping all night in this bitch?

    It's the SotU. They clap every time the president stops to take a breath.

    Or call him a liar.......

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    Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I really hope "SAVE US JESUS!" lady makes a return tonight.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    She was in the gallery, so no.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I really hope "SAVE US JESUS!" lady makes a return tonight.

    Gonna be hard to hear her from her undisclosed location.

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    NailbunnyPDNailbunnyPD Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    But still, how is the line-item veto going to fix anything?
    .....magic?

    The line item veto cuts both ways. Ideally, it'd be nice to cut out ridiculous items, but the reality is that it will turn into a partisan tool, like the fake filibuster. I don't see how anyone thinks its a good idea.

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    sterling3763sterling3763 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Spoilers from the speech via Marc Ambinder on twitter:

    On wireless and high speed rail

    Obama sets 98% wireless coverage w/in five years; w/in 25 years, 80% access to high speed rail

    On corporate taxes:
    Wants to close loopholes and exemptions ... and use money saved to lower them for everybody

    On Obamacare:
    Obama is " eager to work with you" if you have ideas about improvement, but "not willing to go back to days" when coverage denied

    He's willing to "look at" other ideas to lower h/c costs like "medical malpractice reform to rein in frivolous lawsuits."


    On spending freeze:
    "the freeze will require painful cuts, but it won't be done on the backs of the most vulnerable citizens."


    Full text of a draft here.


    EDIT:

    Social Security

    To put us on solid ground, we should also find a bipartisan solution to strengthen Social Security for future generations. And we must do it without putting at risk current retirees, the most vulnerable, or people with disabilities; without slashing benefits for future generations; and without subjecting Americans’ guaranteed retirement income to the whims of the stock market.

    So olive branches to the right are basically:
    (1) spending freeze; (2) earmark veto; (3) tort reform; (4) corporate tax rate reform; (5) ROTC on campus

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If wishing made the first true he'd be a great President, but it'll never get heard in this Congress.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    a5ehren wrote: »
    A slightly changed line-item that should avoid the previous objection has been floating around for a while now. Don't remember how they did that though.

    According to Wikipedia, the latest proposals have been that the president can automatically send a bill to Congress (another power the Executive doesn't have) for a simple majority vote on a single line item that has to be acted on within x days and can't be filibustered. Some people say this makes it Constitutional, but I don't think the SCOTUS would see it that way.

    I fully support this, but think it'd be better as an amendment. If the president signs a bill before it is voted on, then it goes to the House, straight to the floor, for debate and then a vote, then to the Senate, same thing, debate (for a specific period of time), then a vote. Up or down, no filibuster, no changes.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    watching msnbc's coverage at the moment.

    chris matthews looks like hell. like absolute hell.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Apparently gun control will not be largely touched on during SotU. Chris Matthews seems to have a source that confirmed they well address it separately, so as not to steal the headline away from jobs.

    Also, yes, he looks very tired.

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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
    It's over, hUH?

    How bad did we get screwed on Social Security?

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Sheep wrote: »
    It's over, hUH?

    How bad did we get screwed on Social Security?
    It starts in 20 minutes.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm putting my money on four interruptions by Teatards.

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    ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    God, Ed Schultz. We get it, man, the middle class is suffering.

    edit: heheh, prom night. I hope whoever brought Michelle Bachmann didn't spend too much on dinner.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I kinda wanna hear Paul Ryan. I like that man. He's not cheap and thoughtless like a lot of hacks in that building.

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    Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
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    MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm watching the cspan commentary.

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    lonelyahavalonelyahava Call me Ahava ~~She/Her~~ Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    is that Ensign and Frankin walking in together?

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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2011
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Sheep wrote: »
    It's over, hUH?

    How bad did we get screwed on Social Security?
    It starts in 20 minutes.

    Seriously?

    I'm looking at HuffPo now and they're all "DID OBAMA DELIVER?" with a picture of him addressing Congress. Below that is a bunch of headlines that seriously read like it's already happened.


    WTF, HuffPo. Christ.

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