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CRTC Finalizes ISP Usage-Based Billing / Canada Bandwidth Cap Thread: News in OP/p275

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  • 0blique0blique Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Well, I recommend everyone write letters to your MPs, but the reality is that the conservative government in unlikely listen to the people, and more likely to listen to big corporations. The only possible good news is that an election may be coming soon, and promise to overturn the ruling would look good as an election promise without having to spend any tax $$$. Not sure how likely this is.

  • CadeCade Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    This would be Bells dream come true:
    Spoiler:

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    SirUltimos wrote: »
    Hey now, you still have uses for the internet. You can still stream stuff from Bell and Rogers. After you pay them for that privilege.

    Give me net neutrality or give me death.

  • AntithesisAntithesis Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Hibernus wrote: »
    Satsumomo wrote: »
    It's pointed out in one of the documents, and it's what seems to be the most annoying part of it all.

    When you're in a multi-member household, how many fights will break out because "Nuh-uh, Sam used up the limit" and so on? I can only imagine a house with 2 or more teenagers.

    As someone who remembers having caps that low in Australia



    MANY ARGUMENTS.

    I remember being one of four on 250 megabytes per day. I did not care for that scenario.

  • AllforceAllforce Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    That's not a bad idea really, is that how it is in Canada? I'd totally pay for ala-carte web service like that and save some money.

    edit to clarify: The internet price chart is what I'm referring to.

  • Bruce ForsythBruce Forsyth Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    "Includes a massive extra 1000 MB a month!"

    D:

  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Australia and canada.

    We are brothers now.

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  • SirUltimosSirUltimos Don't talk, Rusty. Just paint. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I even set up a Facebook group encouraging everyone I know to write their MP and complain. I am enraged.

  • KlashKlash Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I never heard a word of this. From what I understand in the OP, current plans are effected to?

    My family uses a 95 GB Rogers set-up, and we can barely keep within that, the numbers of times I've ended a month on 94.5 GB is amazing. My brother watches all his TV via a slingbox, soaking up our upload, and I'm a download hog. 25 a month is going to last a week.

    We don't even care... whether we care or not...
  • AllforceAllforce Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Ahh ok the pic is just a hypothetical scenario, my bad.

    From researching this more apparently this only affects DSL connections and not cable-internet connections (yet)? So it sounds like if you're on a cable connection you've got a while to still enjoy what you got while people fight the ruling on DSL connections.

  • TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Antihippy wrote: »
    Australia and canada.

    We are brothers now.

    Not sure about that, at least two providers (Primus and iiNet) have 1TB download limit options now.

    So let me get this straight. These two companies are going to benefit by their government forcing 25GB per month restrictions on it's citizens... What could the government hope to gain from this besides pissing a lot of people off?

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Whao.

    I should get in on that.

    Probably crazy expensive with slow up/down speeds though.

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  • CadeCade Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    This is Harper we're talking about, the mini Bush, he's all about the companies bending over people and making the big bucks.

    Who cares about the people, they don't mean squat.

  • KuratosuKuratosu Registered User
    edited January 2011
    TeeMan wrote: »
    Antihippy wrote: »
    Australia and canada.

    We are brothers now.

    Not sure about that, at least two providers (Primus and iiNet) have 1TB download limit options now.

    So let me get this straight. These two companies are going to benefit by their government forcing 25GB per month restrictions on it's citizens... What could the government hope to gain from this besides pissing a lot of people off?

    People that run the CRTC are former Bell and Rogers execs with stock in those companies.

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  • GreasyKidsStuffGreasyKidsStuff Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So if I'm with Shaw this doesn't affect me right?

    I mean, yeah, I'm pretty cheesed this is happening, but...

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  • SirUltimosSirUltimos Don't talk, Rusty. Just paint. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I wouldn't give it long before Shaw joins the other two.

  • KuratosuKuratosu Registered User
    edited January 2011
    So if I'm with Shaw this doesn't affect me right?

    I mean, yeah, I'm pretty cheesed this is happening, but...

    If things keep going the way they are UBB's will be in place across the board before you know it. As far as I know Rogers is applying for one to go into effect later this year. So we're all essentially fucked, some just sooner than others.

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  • CadeCade Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Kuratosu wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    Antihippy wrote: »
    Australia and canada.

    We are brothers now.

    Not sure about that, at least two providers (Primus and iiNet) have 1TB download limit options now.

    So let me get this straight. These two companies are going to benefit by their government forcing 25GB per month restrictions on it's citizens... What could the government hope to gain from this besides pissing a lot of people off?

    People that run the CRTC are former Bell and Rogers execs with stock in those companies.

    Yeah the very people that is suppose to be protecting us are those who are in league with said companies, they're as corrupt as can be and don't give a crap, they're making the money and that's all they care about, not like the government really gets in their way to do anything.

    Sadly this is going to affect everyone, any that think the other companies won't follow suit is going to be in for a rude awakening in due time.

  • 0blique0blique Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If Bell adds caps, Rogers will follow. Both companies make a big business out of screwing Canadians out of their money, and they get away with it because the customers have no choice. What else are you going to do, cut off your internet for the rest of your life?

    Strange that organizations like the CRTC are meant to prevent things like this, but that didn't stop Canadians from having one of the worst cellular services in the western world, and it looks like internet is about to follow.

  • GreasyKidsStuffGreasyKidsStuff Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I don't even have a very good idea of what 25GB is in the grand scheme of things. We have a family of five, only 4 of which use the internet here regularly, and only one who, as far as I know, torrents stuff. My brother and I just waste time browsing aimlessly and watching Youtube...

    Is the torrenting brother gonna be an issue?

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  • ShurakaiShurakai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Torrenting is one issue of many.

    Most of the new shiny things the internet offers will suddenly threaten your wallet.

    Netflix and Youtube (HD) chief among them.

    Downloading Game Demos for Xbox Live or the PS3

    Steam Downloads.

    Really anything that takes longer than 1 minute to download with a decent connection.

  • TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Kuratosu wrote: »
    TeeMan wrote: »
    Antihippy wrote: »
    Australia and canada.

    We are brothers now.

    Not sure about that, at least two providers (Primus and iiNet) have 1TB download limit options now.

    So let me get this straight. These two companies are going to benefit by their government forcing 25GB per month restrictions on it's citizens... What could the government hope to gain from this besides pissing a lot of people off?

    People that run the CRTC are former Bell and Rogers execs with stock in those companies.

    Oh fuck me, surely Canada has some kind of corruption watch-dog that would feed on this kind of action.

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  • Kris_xKKris_xK Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    God fucking damnit.

    25GB is pathetic, wtf.

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User
    edited January 2011
    I don't even have a very good idea of what 25GB is in the grand scheme of things. We have a family of five, only 4 of which use the internet here regularly, and only one who, as far as I know, torrents stuff. My brother and I just waste time browsing aimlessly and watching Youtube...

    Is the torrenting brother gonna be an issue?

    at 25GB you casually browsing youtube throughout the month alone could take a sizable chunk out of your cap

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  • ShurakaiShurakai Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Kuratosu wrote: »
    So if I'm with Shaw this doesn't affect me right?

    I mean, yeah, I'm pretty cheesed this is happening, but...

    If things keep going the way they are UBB's will be in place across the board before you know it. As far as I know Rogers is applying for one to go into effect later this year. So we're all essentially fucked, some just sooner than others.

    THIS DOES AFFECT SHAW

    They already have UBB on my latest bill.

    Not active yet, but soon.

    Soon.

    For now they just keep putting a chart on my bill saying "Hey look, you went 40gb over your "cap" this month, you shouldn't really do that you know."

  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. 3BB Legendary Creature - Human WizardRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    whaaaaat theeee fuuuuuck

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  • SatsumomoSatsumomo Rated PG! Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    0blique wrote: »
    Strange that organizations like the CRTC are meant to prevent things like this, but that didn't stop Canadians from having one of the worst cellular services in the western world, and it looks like internet is about to follow.

    Oh this so much, I spent the summer in Canada, and never got a phone because how ridiculously expensive and complicated getting a temporary pre-paid phone over there is. Down here I can get a number on a chip to use on my own phone with 30 free minutes, for less than $15. Or one with a cheap phone with 100 free minutes for about $25.

    Canada? The cheapest I could find in Vancouver was $20 for the chip only. You had to pay an activation fee and the minimum prepaid amount which was maybe $10. If I wanted a phone with it, I think it was $80+

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  • breton-brawlerbreton-brawler Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    well I'm out on the east coast and there's 2 main choices, aliant (owned by bell) and rogers. I've had rogers for a year and a half and they already enforce the 25gb cap. Now for an additional fee you can buy a bigger cap instead of paying overages but it's been like this for at least a year and a half now. I was going to switch to aliant once the contract was up since they have unlimited, but now that all doesn't matter.

  • GreasyKidsStuffGreasyKidsStuff Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

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  • InvisibleInvisible Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    - $1 per GB you go over, up to $22.50. $0.75 per GB after that.

    Jesus. When I first read it, I thought it was a maximum of $22.50 which I thought wasn't too bad if subscription models were lower. Like $20 each month to a maximum of $42.50 a month, but no, it's unlimited charging. That's just insane.

    25gb? I've seen thumb drives bigger than that. And I thought Comcast's 250gb 'limit' that violating too many times means they'll send you a letter and threaten to cut you off, but don't charge you extra for was a little stupid (not that I've even got close to it).

    In this day and age, they can't even spin this as something necessary. Old people will go over 25GB a month, families will easily go over 25GB a month, etc. They can't disguise it as anything but a cash grab and an attempt to become more of a monopoly by wiping out the independents.

    Wish you Canadians the best of luck fighting this.

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  • Rex DartRex Dart Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Ugh. I felt a great disturbance in the force.

    As if a million Canadian gamers suddenly cried out at once, and were suddenly silenced (because they went over their cap).


    Sorry, but in all honesty, my heart goes out to you, Canada. This is terrible.

  • KlatuKlatu Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Antihippy wrote: »
    Whao.

    I should get in on that.

    Probably crazy expensive with slow up/down speeds though.

    Internode has a 1TB a month cap for $120. Counts up and down, but still, you'd have a hard time hitting that month after month. Or I would anyway.

    I can consistantly get 200GB a month down only during ratings seaons :)

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  • AntithesisAntithesis Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Antihippy wrote: »
    Australia and canada.

    We are brothers now.

    Hello, other Anti.

  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    This is absofuckinglutely stupid and horrible and arrrrgh I just want to punch things.

    I can go through 25 GB in a day.

    Or I could if the speeds around here weren't so awful.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Cade wrote: »
    It costs more to send a heavy package across the country than a letter across town. People who use more electricity than their neighbours have to pay for their additional energy consumption. Drivers who travel long distances spend more on fuel than those who don't. Transit riders crossing zones pay more than those going one or two stops. The principle is simple: The more you use, the more you pay.
    Good thing data transmission doesn't actually work like those or the comparison might not be retarded.

    The argument that few people download or upload that much data ignores households with a decent amount of people and increasing data intensive internet usage like Steam, Netflix, etc.

  • curly haired boycurly haired boy Your Friendly Neighborhood Torgue Dealer Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Cade wrote: »

    my god

    someone up there just needs to make a political party based on unfucking the internet

    and vote the bastards OUT

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  • Guitar Hero Of TimeGuitar Hero Of Time Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I find this thread confusing, because I live in Toronto and have Rogers for internet, and they already had different internet plans with different "caps" for different monthly costs, and charged extra if you went over. It's been like this forever.....right?

    So....huh? Are we saying now that there will be only one plan, with a 25 gig cap?

  • SirUltimosSirUltimos Don't talk, Rusty. Just paint. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I find this thread confusing, because I live in Toronto and have Rogers for internet, and they already had different internet plans with different "caps" for different monthly costs, and charged extra if you went over. It's been like this forever.....right?

    So....huh? Are we saying now that there will be only one plan, with a 25 gig cap?

    No, they'll still probably have the multiple plans. It's just that right now, if you use an independent ISP, they have their own plans, many with unlimited bandwidth or ridiculously high bandwidth limits. They're not allowed to offer that anymore.

  • sackofjoysackofjoy Registered User
    edited January 2011
    I work for one of the large ISPs on the west coast (ya fuzzy animals!) and a bunch of us were sitting in a meeting wondering why our stock jumped up a couple dollars.

    I'm guessing this is it.

    This sucks.

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