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[FF] The Heroes formerly known as the Fantastic Four

LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
edited July 2011 in Graphic Violence
There hasn't really been a Fantastic Four thread around here for quite some time. Today brings us a fairly momentous occasion in one of Marvel's premiere books so I figured I'd make one to discuss both the big events of today's issue as well as just all things Fantastic Four related in general.

I haven't been following FF for very long. In fact, I only jumped on board with collecting it when I saw that they were going to be killing a member of the team.

That isn't to say I'm not a fan of the series, its just one that I've never bothered to collect until very recently.

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So lets talk about this...

"THREE" as it has been called, is a story arc which is 5 issues in length, issue five having just released today. All along, it has been advertised since the start of this arc that one of the FF is gonna die. Being curious, I've been following the arc since the first issue.

Here is a brief synopsis of issues 1-4 (out of 5) of THREE. [NOTE: SPOILERS]
Spoiler:

So that's the lead-up to the final issue.

Now. Before I get into who actually dies, let me say who I wanted to die. I wanted Reed to die. Why? Because his death would have the biggest impact on the rest of the Marvel Universe. Reed is a very important person with his brilliant scientific mind and the relationship he has with all sorts of people (i.e. other heroes and many super powerful galactic beings.) To me, if you're gonna hype up a death in a big team book, I would want the death to have meaning and have an impact. To me, the best choice was Reed Richards.

Who actually died?

SPOILERS
Spoiler:

Lets talk about this. What do you guys think. Do you agree with my opinion (in the spoiler tag)?

Are we taking bets on how long this death sticks?

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  • kdrudykdrudy Registered User
    edited January 2011
    I haven't read this story yet, but based on your description I have a question
    Spoiler:

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Oh, no. And that's that.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If they could go storm Jack Kirby's house last time one of them died, what's stopping them this time? Even if Kirby/God said they can't do it again, this is the FF we're talking about, they can do anything before breakfast.

    (is this going to be the FF thread?)

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Direct answer to your question, kdrudy:
    Spoiler:

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Yes it is gonna be the FF thread, Tex. I said that in like the 2nd sentence of the OP.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Oh, no. And that's that.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Sorry!

    And I would be surprised if the death lasts beyond FF #600, and would be even more surprised if they don't revert FF to #600 in a year.

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  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I actually really enjoyed this arc. Hickman's writing is pretty solid. I'm thinking of picking up some trades of the rest of his run on the book.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Oh, no. And that's that.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I enjoyed his first arc with Reed very much, and the Franklin birthday issue minus Val's retarded line. Then there was a some stuff with Millar's nu-earth plotlines that kind of killed the book for me. If they put this whole first act of Hickman's stuff into a nice hardcover/omnibus like Frankencastle, I'd buy it.

    edit: Dark Reign: FF is actually Hickman's first FF stuff, and it was really good. Franklin is the bestest.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Honestly, Hickman's run has been pretty neat, but also kind of feels like an encyclopedia entry.

    The "death" is really... eh. At least it was a super cool way to go out, but I mean I've read the entire run of this thing. The number of "Deaths" and "gone forevers" and "3s" that I've seen make me not quite care. I'm looking forward to what he does with the aftermath/resurrection.

    And for real, the sooner Nu-Earth is killed/forgotten about the better. Ugh. I was so annoyed he maintained that horrible thing.

  • WishpigWishpig Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Damn that was an awesome way to die... more epic than Capt's "death" (although his death wasn't suppose to be I suppose) and I thought even more epic than Batman's "death".

    And as we all know...
    Spoiler:

    WARNING: Picture below may cause spontaneous growth of facial hair and/or body hair.
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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    didn't read the books yet but
    Spoiler:

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  • GankGank Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Read 587 and loved it.
    Spoiler:

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  • ThaneThane Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Whedonesque ending was good times

    So now what? Fantastic Three relaunch?

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions FFXIV: Tnegasu Vainchelon Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I feel like:
    Spoiler:

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Thane wrote: »
    Whedonesque ending was good times

    So now what? Fantastic Three relaunch?

    #588 and then whatever the hell "FF" is going to be.

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  • TexiKenTexiKen Oh, no. And that's that.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    "final issue" teaser:
    Spoiler:

    Spider-Man looks like he's going to kidnap Franklin there.

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  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions FFXIV: Tnegasu Vainchelon Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If it's going by the name FF, I'm assuming they will have a fourth. Franklin seems most likely, since he has a power set.

    edit:
    Spoiler:

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If they're calling it the "final issue," then doesn't that mean they will be changing the title?

  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If they're calling it the "final issue," then doesn't that mean they will be changing the title?

    Have you not seen the solicit for FF #1?

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  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions FFXIV: Tnegasu Vainchelon Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Robos may have assumed I was abbreviating vs the fact the ongoing is changing to "FF"

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I'm pretty far behind here, I think the last issue I read was the first of "Three."

    However, I am going to guess that FF now stands for Fantastic Five, and that Franklin and Val will be joining.
    Spoiler:

    Also, I did spoil myself on who died, but I don't know how yet.

    I was hoping
    Spoiler:

  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Yeah, I did assume that.

    But FF could stand for Future Foundation or Fantastic Five or Fantastic Family or whatever. It doesn't mean that you need four members.
    HadjiQuest wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    There was already a story arc about that, though, so I can see why Hickman wouldn't want to go there again.

  • chiasaur11chiasaur11 Never doubt a raccoon. Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Yeah, I did assume that.

    But FF could stand for Future Foundation or Fantastic Five or Fantastic Family or whatever. It doesn't mean that you need four members.
    HadjiQuest wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    There was already a story arc about that, though, so I can see why Hickman wouldn't want to go there again.
    Spoiler:

  • MastaPMastaP Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Well, Alex Power has been a cast member for a few arcs now

  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    What was the purpose of that scene where Val goes to talk to Doom in Latveria in the first issue of the Three arc? I kept expecting him to show up at some point (probably to stab someone in the back) but he never did.

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Oh, that is my only other complaint with the Hickman run: super-intelligent people whose primary trait is "*smugface* I'm super intelligent *smugface*" annoy me all to hell. That dressing-down of scientists/going to start Bold New Learning Experiment bit he did with Reed was just not good even if I get what he was going for.

  • cardboard delusionscardboard delusions FFXIV: Tnegasu Vainchelon Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    What was the purpose of that scene where Val goes to talk to Doom in Latveria in the first issue of the Three arc? I kept expecting him to show up at some point (probably to stab someone in the back) but he never did.

    I'm hoping this is used somewhere, I feel like it could have proved to be of better use. Hopefully in 588 we'll see something.

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  • GankGank Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Dooms brain issues have already gotten some mentions in New Avengers and a couple of other marvel titles. I imagine its going to culminate into some sorta mini-event. You know, being Doom n all.

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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Doom will steal the silver surfer's brain or something and implant it in his own head

    "Now DOOM has Cosmic Awareness! Now Richards, you will pay!"

    That's just how he rolls

  • Linespider5Linespider5 It’s cool to have a code name. It’s not that weird.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    What's Spider-Man up to these days?
    Spoiler:

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  • RingoRingo Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    More to the point, what's Mephisto up to these days? There's a perfectly good marriage to wreck here!

    ceres wrote: »
    I'm just going to go ahead and lock this thread before I feel any worse about humanity.
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  • TexiKenTexiKen Oh, no. And that's that.Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Reed Richards and Peter Parker to fight over Carlie Cooper, Civil War 2.

    (this reminds me of when Sue was jealous of Reed's former girlfriend in a backup during Waid's FF run, catfight)

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Cap's Kooky Quartet Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Doom came out of the World War Hulks/Fall of the Hulks crossover with brain damage - Hickman is just following up on that with the Doom-Valeria stuff. I imagine it'll get a mention in FF#588 or the new FF#1.

    I thought #587 was really well done, and its ambiguous enough that it can be reversed if necessary. The Wrath of Khan moment was a nice touch.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Doom came out of the World War Hulks/Fall of the Hulks crossover with brain damage - Hickman is just following up on that with the Doom-Valeria stuff. I imagine it'll get a mention in FF#588 or the new FF#1.
    The Doom's brain damage stuff has also appeared in New Avengers and X-Factor. Also, Bendis has kept Doom on the radar in his Avengers books for the past several years.

    Like Gank, I also expect this to culminate in a Doom event of some kind.

  • TexiKenTexiKen Oh, no. And that's that.Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    FF#1 felt a bit all over the place, kind of hard to put my finger on whether it was good or average.
    Spoiler:

    There was also a two page silhouette spread of the characters on the family/foundation that would have worked better with the full character reveal in distinguishing Mik and Turg and Wu and Vii from one another, if only by the color of their clothes.

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  • Witch_Hunter_84Witch_Hunter_84 Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    In regard to Val and Doom . . .
    Spoiler:

    If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten in your presence.
  • MastaPMastaP Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Doom chose Valeria's name after assisting in her birth.

  • GankGank Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I agree
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    I'm glad the first arc
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    All in all, I really can't wait for the next issue.

    And, by proxy, the next issue of Hickmans S.H.I.E.L.D. cos I can't get enough Nathaniel.

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  • BlankzillaBlankzilla The Year 198X Being Xtreme to the MaxxRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    I guess I'm the only one didn't find the grace bit smug at all. We only actually see Alex once during it, and he isn't smiling at all. The only ones who smile are Sue at the end(probably due to how dang weird it was) and Bentley, because he is Bentley.

  • GankGank Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Alrighty, went and re-read FF #1. Alex is kinda smirking in the panel where he agrees to lead in grace but when you see him again he's lookin pretty solemn. And Reeds smiling with Sue, but probably for the same reasons you said. I probably just read it as smarmy cos that's how I woulda said it.

    Also I should probably not care about that so much, seeing as I still enjoyed the issue as a whole.

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