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Warhammer Fantasy Battles: Gesundheit; Sneeze of Mystery

MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
edited April 2012 in Critical Failures
WARHAMMER: THE GAME OF FANTASY BATTLES
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Aren't Toy Soldiers for Nerds?

Yeah, but nerds have money and toy soldiers are more awesome than most other things you can waste your money on. Warhammer refers to a fantasy setting and a number of distinct tabletop and computer games. This thread is concerned with the original, a tabletop miniatures wargame.


General Information on the game
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Setting

The Warhammer story, or background, is vast. It begins tens of thousands of years before the current day with the Old Ones: beings of vast power that sailed between worlds on a sea of infinite potential (known as the Warp, Aethyr, or Realm of Chaos). Armed with incomprehensible techno-magicks and knowledge, the Old Ones raised the races of the Warhammer World from barbarism, teaching elf and dwarf how to draw upon the Realm of Chaos to shape extra-dimensional potential into physical forms… or magic, and bestowing upon them the joys of enlightened civilization. This golden age ended too soon, however, as the Old Ones were exterminated or driven away by things from the Aethyr: the daemons of Chaos and Ruinous Powers native to that Realm. Given form and purpose by the Warp-reflected flaws of mortals, these daemons invaded the Warhammer World, ending the age of Law and advancement brought about by the Old Ones. Many millennia later, the children of the Old Ones continue the battle against Chaos.

It is important to note that there are many, varied, implementations of Warhammer lore; none are more "right" or "official" than others. To put it quite simply, according to GW: THERE IS NO WARHAMMER CANON. Players are free to pick, choose, and research the bits they like.



WHERE DID GAMES WORKSHOP COME UP WITH THIS STUFF?

Warhammer's imagery and style are influenced heavily by gritty, classic fantasy authors, such as Michael Moorcock, Robert E. Howard, and H.P. Lovecraft, as well as real-world history and a bit of Tolkien. Designers also list influences such as Terry Gilliam, Black Adder, and Monty Python. The Warhammer world is a playground-like amalgam of everything from Napoleonic gun lines, to sanity-blasting tentacled horrors, to halfings and their giant cocks (depictions of a large rooster that serves as a provincial symbol for the little folk). Those interested in learning more might be urged to pick up some of these older books; Warhammer's roots are clearly evident in Conan, Elric, and Martin Luther.


THE WARHAMMER WORLD
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Armies: Who's killin' who Information Stolen From GW’s Site.
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Where Can I buy these plastic men?
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A guide to Warhammer army books

Books who's most recent release is their 6th ed edition:

Bretonnia (Feb 2004)
Wood Elves (Aug 2005)
Dwarfs (Mar 2006)

Books who's most recent release is their 7th ed edition:

High Elves (Nov 2007)
Daemons of Chaos (May 2008)
Dark Elves (Aug 2008)
Warriors of Chaos (Nov 2008)
Lizardmen (Feb 2009)
Skaven (2009)
Beasts of Chaos (2010)

8th Edition Books

Orcs and Goblins
Ogre Kingdoms
Tomb Kings
Vampire Counts
Empire

Books likely to be released next:

Very tentatively - Dwarfs

Thanks to many prior community members for providing the content of this post.

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  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    The thread title gave me a thought. I wonder, if you normalized Space Marine players at the same level as others, would 40k have about the same amount of players as WFB?

    Of more relevance; check out the last sentence in the paragraph under the Chaos Dwarf. Oh yes!

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I like how Plague Toads are either uppity nurglings or disgraced plaguebearers, and therefore reviled by everyone, including other Nurgle daemons.

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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  • EchoEcho staring is caring Moderator mod
    edited January 2011
  • ZedarZedar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Combined chaos lists again? Is this perhaps a sign of things to come? Wishful thinking on my part I know. Then again, just the hint of chaos dwarfs re-emerging is enough to keep me happy.

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  • TimFijiTimFiji Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I got my first massacre yesterday, or whatever the big point difference win is called. My VIP unit ended up being my 7 wide Bestigor unit (4 ranks) that went straight for his temple guard with Slaan in it. I got off Curse of Anraheir on his unit but kept Wyssan's Wildform on the bestigors and every single one of my guys wounded (thank goodness for primal fury.) Normally I don't expect to win with beasts, just have fun but this was only my 6th game or so.

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  • DayspringDayspring the Phoenician Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    I like how Plague Toads are either uppity nurglings or disgraced plaguebearers, and therefore reviled by everyone, including other Nurgle daemons.

    I thought Nurgle demons were full of nothing but love for everyone?
    I've been lied to

  • ZedarZedar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Dayspring wrote: »
    Mr_Rose wrote: »
    I like how Plague Toads are either uppity nurglings or disgraced plaguebearers, and therefore reviled by everyone, including other Nurgle daemons.

    I thought Nurgle demons were full of nothing but love for everyone?
    I've been lied to

    You're thinking of Slaanesh. Nurgle has nothing but pustules for everyone.

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  • DayspringDayspring the Phoenician Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Oh, that's right.
    Nurgle demon are full of puss, not love. Easy mistake

  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Nono, you guys, you know this; it's Grandfather Nurgle himself that loves everybody. That doesn't mean his daemons have to as well.

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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  • NaxNax Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Echo, you so crazy :P

    The following people are amazing and I love them: Wildcat, Timspork, Kias, Denada, susan, Sharp101, [GHSC]Ryctor, Matev, Matrias, ItBurns, Slapnuts, Dayspring, see317, and the unknown poster that sent me a box of Death Company! <3 If you get them as Santees you should buy them amazing things!
  • Cynic JesterCynic Jester Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Nax wrote: »
    Echo, you so crazy :P

    No, he's swedish. There's a slight and subtle difference.

  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak Registered User
    edited January 2011
    re-post
    could someone help me with identifying a couple of models from this picture thread?

    http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=38073

    I'd love to know what models he used for the Treekin and the Eagle at the bottom

    oh, and a rather unrelated question, are the Warmachine miniatures the same size as the Warhammer ones?

    someone in that thread said the Treekin were from Lotr, they really don't look like that to me though

  • MagoMago Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Nax wrote: »
    Echo, you so crazy :P

    No, he's swedish. There's a slight and subtle difference.

    Really?

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  • Cynic JesterCynic Jester Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Mago wrote: »
    Nax wrote: »
    Echo, you so crazy :P

    No, he's swedish. There's a slight and subtle difference.

    Really?

    Anyone can be crazy. Only swedes are swedish.

  • MagoMago Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Mago wrote: »
    Nax wrote: »
    Echo, you so crazy :P

    No, he's swedish. There's a slight and subtle difference.

    Really?

    Anyone can be crazy. Only swedes are swedish.

    True. :)

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  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Zedar wrote: »
    Combined chaos lists again? Is this perhaps a sign of things to come? Wishful thinking on my part I know. Then again, just the hint of chaos dwarfs re-emerging is enough to keep me happy.

    Combined lists are cool. Single god lists are better. Chaos Undivided is for pussies.

    I'd think about making a Chaos army again once the Tzeentch stuff shows up. This whole Warhammer Forge project has tons of potential.

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  • Peter EbelPeter Ebel Shiftless laybaout DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited January 2011
    It's a good thing that new Nurgle deamons are being made, because the ones that are around now aren't really that great.

    I'd love to do a Nurgle themed mixed army, but money and time.

    I'll be picking up a box or two of something cool from Warhammer forge when it comes about for sure, and probably as many books as I can. Books only cost money.

    Fuck off and die.
  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Peter Ebel wrote: »
    Books only cost money.

    So true. And also why I have two whole shelves of Warhammer game and background books.

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  • mugginnsmugginns Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Those nurgle things from forge look pretty awesome

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  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Yeah. I can't wait to see what they do for Tzeentch. Crazy baroque eyeball and fish laden madness! And this Marienburger land ship thing they keep talking about.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    You mean this:
    Spoiler:
    Or are you talking about rules support?

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Oh, well, that would be the one.

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  • TalonZahnTalonZahn Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    So I was going to trade some Nids for some Wood Elves until I found out like 50% were old plastics.

    I ended up trading my Nids for this:

    LoL Rats:
    Spoiler:

    Not sure what I would be needing to go with it. Jezzails? Ratling Guns? Censer Bearers? Globadiers?

    Speak to me Rat Lord.

  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    If you plan on fielding them, you'll need more Stormvermin- both they and clanrats should be in units of 30-40.

    You'll probably want some more weapon teams as well; looks like you'll have 4 Warpfire Throwers (unless you mean Warplighting Cannons for the two out of IoB?) and two Poison Wind Mortars (mostly the IoB stuff) - a Doom Flayer to hang with Stormvermin or Clanrats or Ratling Gun might accompany that well. Jezzails (5 or so) and maybe Globadiers (for games against armored stuff) would give you a strong shooting backbone.

    If you want to skew toward a more melee oriented force, you may want some more rat ogres (you've got a unit of 6 now). Some Giant Rat units make good, fast flankers for such an army, as would another unit of 30-40 Plague Monks. A handful (5 or more) of Plague Censer Bearers would help with punch there.

    If you want to lean more magic heavy, a second Plague Furnace/Screaming Bell kit assembled as the latter will give you a solid core, along with a few of the Engineers you've got.

    Really, it all depends on the kind of army you want. At the moment you've got stuff for a good balanced force.

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  • TalonZahnTalonZahn Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    I didn't breakout the IOB sets in the list, so that's 2 seperate cannons on top of the 2 Throwers from the sets.

    I was looking in Army Builder and didn't see anything for the Throwers or Mortars, so I'll need some schooling on where those rules are.

    I checked out the pics link he sent, and it looks like there's a block of 24 giant rats. I didn't really pay attention to that since, LoLtonOfRats, but they should be in there.

    Checking out the GW site, I'll probably add Jezzails/Globes/Ratling Guns/Bell kit. Seems like the best way to open up the most choices.

  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    Warpfire Throwers and Poison Wind Mortars are attached to units rather than purchased on their own, so maybe the rules are presented as part of those in Army Builder? Otherwise, they're all in the newest book. For reference (in terms of unit sizes and army size) here's my goal to have painted with all new models this year (or two):

    1 Ikit Claw
    1 Chieftan Shield; Heavy Armor; Skavenbrew
    1 Engineer Level 1; Pistol; Warpstone
    1 Chieftan BSB
    35 Clanrats Cmd; Shields; Warpfire Thrower
    35 Clanrats Cmd; Shields; Ratling Gun
    20 Slaves Musician
    20 Slaves Musician
    35 Stormvermin Cmd; Razor Standard; Doom-flayer
    7 Globadiers Poison Wind Mortar
    1 Doomwheel
    1 Warplighting Cannon

    Also note; I've played all of two games with the current army book under 8th, so there's lots of old-school/probably dated thinking in this list. But unit sizes should be fairly accurate. This is meant to be an all-rounder, all-comers list; a little magic, some shooting, and would do its killing by trying to gang up with the clanrats and stormvermin on targets that have been chewed up some by shooting and magic.

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  • Mr_RoseMr_Rose Registered User regular
    edited January 2011
    TalonZahn wrote: »
    I didn't breakout the IOB sets in the list, so that's 2 seperate cannons on top of the 2 Throwers from the sets.

    I was looking in Army Builder and didn't see anything for the Throwers or Mortars, so I'll need some schooling on where those rules are.

    I checked out the pics link he sent, and it looks like there's a block of 24 giant rats. I didn't really pay attention to that since, LoLtonOfRats, but they should be in there.

    Checking out the GW site, I'll probably add Jezzails/Globes/Ratling Guns/Bell kit. Seems like the best way to open up the most choices.
    They're upgrade options for Clanrat units.

    Also, units of giant rats can get obscene numbers of attacks, since the rats fight in an extra rank and the pack-leaders' whips can attack over up to three, so you can get four ranks fighting without a Horde.

    ...because dragons are AWESOME! That's why.
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  • Peter EbelPeter Ebel Shiftless laybaout DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Whoop whoop, off in the falling ice sludge to pick up my Skaven things!

    I must be fucking retarded. I barely, barely, have 500 points of Night Goblins painted up and now I get a thousand rats to play with. I must hate passing courses.

    Fuck off and die.
  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Peter Ebel wrote: »
    Whoop whoop, off in the falling ice sludge to pick up my Skaven things!

    I must be fucking retarded. I barely, barely, have 500 points of Night Goblins painted up and now I get a thousand rats to play with. I must hate passing courses.

    Everyone will tell you you're making the wrong decision.

    And everyone is wrong. Because toy soldiers are awesome. (This is probably horrible advice).

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Hey guys, I'm toying with Fantasy here's what I'm looking at army-wise, how viable/ competitive are they?

    Tzeentchian themed Warriors of Chaos

    Beastmen

  • TimFijiTimFiji Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I find Beasts to be less than average for competitions so I play Beastmen for fun. If I want to win, I play my dwarfs. Though I am still pretty new to the game so I might not be the best opinion.

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  • Alfred J. KwakAlfred J. Kwak Registered User
    edited February 2011
    To my knowledge, Warrior of Chaos are amongst the top armies (tier 2 I believe, behind DE and Lizards) while Beastmen are fairly close to the bottom

  • DraevenDraeven Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Honestly wich army looks like the one you like best? and has the feel your looking for.

    Morskitter wrote "Spikes, choppas, tentacles, magic? Can't hold a candle to Sergeant Pimp here."

  • JoeslopJoeslop Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Finally won a game after 4 losses.

    Kicked those wimbly homestealing pretender-to-the-throne "high" elves.

    A horde of Sea Guard isn't so tough when it gets Chillwinded and can't shoot for the only two turns it wasn't in combat. Also the turn where it ate a full Black Horror and lost 20 guys. Then got charged by a horde of Executioners and were killed to a man.

    Luck award goes to the Hydra who survived a unit of guys with Great Weapons by 1 Wound then stomped the rest to death.

    And the Cauldron of Blood? So awesome.

    Honorable mention to the Black Guard who ate a cavalry charge and died, setting up the Hydra counterattack.

    (Yes, yes, Dark Elves are powerful, I don't care.)

  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Powerful != automatically winning.

    Sounds like a good game.

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  • JoeslopJoeslop Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Oh, and did I mention how awesome giving Killing Blow to the Hydra against cavalry is?

    So awesome.

  • Peter EbelPeter Ebel Shiftless laybaout DenmarkRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Man, Ikkit Claw and the Doom Flayer are some boss models.

    Edit: Also, appropriate band name.

    Fuck off and die.
  • FaranguFarangu I am a beardy man With a beardy planRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Heh

    "Amazing new band: Boss Greenskin & the Orc Boyz! Their hit single is 20 minutes of the band screaming WAAAGH over an aggressive, mostly improvised metal setpiece."

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  • MorskittarMorskittar Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Clearly Ikit Claw and the Doom Flayers would sound just like Motorhead. Fast and dirty.

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  • NaxNax Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I played my first game of Fantasy today :P Our resident Fantasy Pro put together a 1k Brettonian list for me to play, and he fielded some Warriors of Chaos. I learned a ton of stuff, figured out a few tricks that impressed the guy that was teaching me, and ended up making it a pretty close game :P

    I now have about 10 days before my tax return gets in to decide if I want to stick with Dwarfs or not :P

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