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  • FearghaillFearghaill TEAM NICKRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Apparently we've all completely misunderstood the whole situation and there's nothing to get upset about.

    Also, even if we were being ripped off (which we're not), it'd be okay because other people are being ripped off in other parts of the world.

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  • Crimson KingCrimson King the freedom of birds is an insult to me i'd have them all in zoosRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    So we have the Internet, perhaps the most powerful tool for democratisation in human history, and it's controlled entirely by brute corporations who cannot be gainsaid.

    At some point something is going to have to be done about this.

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  • Blake TBlake T Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    You're jerking it off over nothing.

    If it doesn't go up give me an apology.

    If it does go up, well I'd apologize but you won't be able to afford the Internet so I can't apologize to you.

  • Blake TBlake T Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    So we have the Internet, perhaps the most powerful tool for democratisation in human history, and it's controlled entirely by brute corporations who cannot be gainsaid.

    At some point something is going to have to be done about this.

    You are talking this up a bit too much.

    You are paying a private enterprise to provide you a service. The same as last week.

    Except you weren't typing dumb shit.

    Well to be honest, you probably were.

  • FearghaillFearghaill TEAM NICKRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    welp, Rolo's already received notice from his ISP that his bandwidth cap is dropping to 1/8th of what he's currently getting, for the same price he's currently paying.

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  • RoloRolo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Fortunately there are some very big corporations on the other side of this that are also getting screwed by the ISPs, and they also have substantial amounts of money to lobby lawmakers with.

    With the Tech industry promoting cloud-based services and streaming so heavily, a lot of money is invested in making sure people don't suddenly start conserving their bandwidth.

  • Crimson KingCrimson King the freedom of birds is an insult to me i'd have them all in zoosRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Rolo wrote: »
    Fortunately there are some very big corporations on the other side of this that are also getting screwed by the ISPs, and they also have substantial amounts of money to lobby lawmakers with.

    With the Tech industry promoting cloud-based services and streaming so heavily, a lot of money is invested in making sure people don't suddenly start conserving their bandwidth.

    ...and thus began the first of the Corporate Wars.

    Skull Man wrote:
    BB gently vomiting silk into BFL's antennae

    BFL just gigglin' like crazy while his thorax heaves, heavy with eggs and promise
  • That Dave FellaThat Dave Fella Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Wimble wrote: »
    I pay less than 40 USD per month for 100mbit down 100mbit up :o

    Curse you!

    The Swes in work are always going on about how cheap and amazing their internet is.

  • FearghaillFearghaill TEAM NICKRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Also, I don't expect a private enterprise to do anything other than try to make as much money as they can get away with. That's their job.

    The problem is, we helped them build the infrastructure they're using to squeeze extra money out of us, and the government body that oversees their use of that infrastructure has decided to go along with letting them do so. It's the CRTC decision that I disagree with.

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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Internet is pretty cool, bandwidth limits are pretty lame.

    Also I suppose I am just saying that because of Steam. Go steam.

    I pay like 70 bucks a month for only 20 megabits down 1 and a half up.

    Can this be a computer thread too? I am thinking of building my brother a new PC for around 300-400 bucks.

  • Crimson KingCrimson King the freedom of birds is an insult to me i'd have them all in zoosRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Fearghaill wrote: »
    Also, I don't expect a private enterprise to do anything other than try to make as much money as they can get away with. That's their job.

    The problem is, we helped them build the infrastructure they're using to squeeze extra money out of us, and the government body that oversees their use of that infrastructure has decided to go along with letting them do so. It's the CRTC decision that I disagree with.

    The problem is basically that there's no reason for there to be competition, since there can't be more than three or four actors in the marketplace and they gain more by collaboration then competition. So a small group of people have absolute power over an increasingly vital service which it is frequently in their interests to limit - a service which theoretically functions to disseminate power among as wide a group of people as possible.

    WOO FREE MARKET

    Skull Man wrote:
    BB gently vomiting silk into BFL's antennae

    BFL just gigglin' like crazy while his thorax heaves, heavy with eggs and promise
  • RoloRolo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Yeah, the main problem with this is that the two big telcos were granted taxpayer money to put up these lines in the first place, so it's not like this was a free market to begin with. Now that they have a nice little oligopoly with Rogers controlling the Cable and Bell controlling the telephone lines, they've made it impossible for anyone else to compete with them.

  • XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    man i thought my shitty internet was bad, but all these bandwidth limits in other countries sounds even worse

    damn those nordic folks and koreans and whatnot

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  • Crimson KingCrimson King the freedom of birds is an insult to me i'd have them all in zoosRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Rolo wrote: »
    Yeah, the main problem with this is that the two big telcos were granted taxpayer money to put up these lines in the first place, so it's not like this was a free market to begin with. Now that they have a nice little oligopoly with Rogers controlling the Cable and Bell controlling the telephone lines, they've made it impossible for anyone else to compete with them.

    I disapprove of this post on account of it undermines my ability to complain about the free market.

    Skull Man wrote:
    BB gently vomiting silk into BFL's antennae

    BFL just gigglin' like crazy while his thorax heaves, heavy with eggs and promise
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2011
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    Mmm mmm comcast.

    With AT&T I was getting 50 kbs.

    "Advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
    "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process."
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  • UrielUriel Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Actually now I am just considering getting a new computer for myself and giving clawshrimpy this one.

    It's much newer than his, which is like 2-3 years old.

  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    i just tested my work's internet, 35 down, 14 up

    i want that speed

    | Steam & XBL: Shazkar |
  • SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2011
    Wimble wrote: »
    I pay less than 40 USD per month for 100mbit down 100mbit up :o

    Curse you!

    The Swes in work are always going on about how cheap and amazing their internet is.

    With the right ISP you can get close over here:

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    And Virgin are talking about countering BT's plans to actually lay fibre and get speeds up to a max of 40Mb/s with just straight up doubling everyone's current cap.

  • RoloRolo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    And Virgin are talking about countering BT's plans to actually lay fibre and get speeds up to a max of 40Mb/s with just straight up doubling everyone's current cap.

    see, this is where competition is good

  • jackaljackal Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    It's pretty funny how fast Netflix took us from "40 GB/month? Only people running torrents constantly will hit that anyway!" to "40 GB/month? Even my grandma uses that much watching old episodes of Murder She Wrote!"

  • WimbleWimble Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Wimble wrote: »
    I pay less than 40 USD per month for 100mbit down 100mbit up :o

    Curse you!

    The Swes in work are always going on about how cheap and amazing their internet is.

    we are a proud folk

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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    this thread has taught me that one should not discuss things that suck in the vicinity of australians

  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    It's good to know there's always a worse place and that it's called Australia.

    sig.gif Aneurythmia, Javen and thatdude_frombaywatch really smell pretty good and this pie is for them: pie
  • jackaljackal Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Well of course Australia and New Zealand have shitty internet. They get their internet from a single cable running along the back of Leviathan.

  • babyeatingjesusbabyeatingjesus Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I can't help but think that at worst this will be a small blip, more likely that it will be changed before it can really be implemented. For exactly the reasons previously mentioned. iTunes, Netflix, Steam, Microsoft ffs, these are just a few companies heavily invested in users going to a digital lifestyle. It seems pretty unlikely that these and other services are going to have to change their market expectations over this.

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  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Also our best hope right now is that three of the five parties seem to have noticed that the Facebook petition has currently been signed by about 1% of all Canadians. That's a lot of votes.

    EDIT: SimBen is terrible at math and should never be allowed to graduate.

    sig.gif Aneurythmia, Javen and thatdude_frombaywatch really smell pretty good and this pie is for them: pie
  • RoloRolo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Well the ISPs are already trying to fuck them by double-dipping and violating net neutrality.

    They want to charge Google/Youtube money to transfer data to customers, when the customers are already paying for the data transfer with their inflated service charges!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t89WwcsOj9U

    now watch this large breasted woman be on camera for three seconds while a bunch of neckbeards fail to explain anything about net neutrality for seven straight minutes

  • OverOver ...laser cats? Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    http://stopthemeter.ca/

    that's kind of linked in the OP for some of the articles, but that's the main site if anyone else wants to sign the petition.

    i agree wholeheartedly this is just a cash-grab for Rogers/Bell/their various subsidiaries, and largely a response to a growing number of people that have stopped paying them for (grossly overpriced) television services and switched to streaming media.

    i get the whole "it's a private corporation and their business is to make money" shtick, but as people have already said, these two companies already have completely unbreakable dominance over Canada as far as telecomm and ISPs go, funded through tax dollars. It would be prohibitively expensive for a new startup to set up their own infrastructure to really challenge them, especially given the huge distances between people in the country, so the only alternative way to compete is the "rent bandwidth from the big guys" and resell it to the consumer model that a number of companies are trying to do, but this new decision makes impossible, and thus, makes competition impossible, or at the very least unprofitable.

  • YoSoyTheWalrusYoSoyTheWalrus Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Oh hey, this seems like a great place for me to complain about Comcast

    Summary: The Worst

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  • DichotomyDichotomy BOWSER I really hope I don't suck this time.Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    but is it worse than internet in australia

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2011
    50 canadian dollars is only like, twenty skittles in American money.

    "Advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
    "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process."
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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2011
    I live in Alabama and there's no such thing as internet caps.

    I'm getting my speed at 25 US dollars a month.

    "Advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
    "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process."
    Imagine all of my posts being spoken by Alec Baldwin
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  • RoloRolo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    1.00 USD = 0.989590 CAD

    go back down exchange rate

    i need to buy some shit

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2011
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    50 canadian dollars is only like, twenty skittles in American money.

    you know the canadian dollar is worth slightly more than the american dollar right now, you guys gotta update your jokes

    Since when have facts gotten in the way of America

    "Advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
    "Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process."
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  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Rolo wrote: »
    1.00 USD = 0.989590 CAD

    go back down exchange rate

    i need to buy some shit

    Um that means we're currently over the US dollar. That means it's currently better to buy internet things from America.

    Except that our internet bills negate that advantage! Curses! Guess it's cheaper to just drive to the US and buy stuff there.

    Also gas is cheaper south of the border.

    sig.gif Aneurythmia, Javen and thatdude_frombaywatch really smell pretty good and this pie is for them: pie
  • RoloRolo Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    SimBen wrote: »
    Rolo wrote: »
    1.00 USD = 0.989590 CAD

    go back down exchange rate

    i need to buy some shit

    Um that means we're currently over the US dollar. That means it's currently better to buy internet things from America.

    Except that our internet bills negate that advantage! Curses! Guess it's cheaper to just drive to the US and buy stuff there.

    Also gas is cheaper south of the border.

    I know

    I make money off advertisments that are paid out in ameribuxx

    I need the dollar to tank again so I actually make some kind of profit

  • SimBenSimBen Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Rolo wrote: »
    SimBen wrote: »
    Rolo wrote: »
    1.00 USD = 0.989590 CAD

    go back down exchange rate

    i need to buy some shit

    Um that means we're currently over the US dollar. That means it's currently better to buy internet things from America.

    Except that our internet bills negate that advantage! Curses! Guess it's cheaper to just drive to the US and buy stuff there.

    Also gas is cheaper south of the border.

    I know

    I make money off advertisments that are paid out in ameribuxx

    I need the dollar to tank again so I actually make some kind of profit

    Get a real Canadian job Rolo. Learn to drive a zamboni.

    sig.gif Aneurythmia, Javen and thatdude_frombaywatch really smell pretty good and this pie is for them: pie
  • babyeatingjesusbabyeatingjesus Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I can't decide if I should be waiting to buy telescope stuff over the internet for a sale on the products I want, but don't really need until closer to spring, or buying now while the dollar is so strong.

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  • babyeatingjesusbabyeatingjesus Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    SimBen wrote: »
    Rolo wrote: »
    SimBen wrote: »
    Rolo wrote: »
    1.00 USD = 0.989590 CAD

    go back down exchange rate

    i need to buy some shit

    Um that means we're currently over the US dollar. That means it's currently better to buy internet things from America.

    Except that our internet bills negate that advantage! Curses! Guess it's cheaper to just drive to the US and buy stuff there.

    Also gas is cheaper south of the border.

    I know

    I make money off advertisments that are paid out in ameribuxx

    I need the dollar to tank again so I actually make some kind of profit

    Get a real Canadian job Rolo. Learn to drive a zamboni.

    All Canadians know how to drive a zamboni. It's part of the testing process to get any driver's license.

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