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The Aluminum Foil Hat Thread: Conspiracy Theories

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    Edith UpwardsEdith Upwards Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    The Franklin Cover-Up alleges that the highest levels of the Republican Party and US Government were aware of and complicit in a child prostitution ring. One of the names mentioned there, Gary Caradori, was the husband of my grade school/middle school teacher (I went to a K-8 school, and she was moved up to the middle school). He was investigating this for the Nebraska state legislature. He died in a plane accident, apparently right before returning to Nebraska with his findings. Both he and his oldest son died.

    My teacher thought there was something to it, but I think she was trying to make sense of losing her husband and son.

    This one is actually true, and all the big movie studios launder the money for it.
    Movies don't actually cost that much.

    All of the BIG ACTORS are BIG ACTORS because they are in a position to unravel the conspiracy. There is a reason that agents only pick druggies and morons to be celebrities, and a reason why teen heartthrobs aren't decorated veterans anymore. IF SANE PEOPLE FOUND OUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN HOLLYWOOD, THEY WOULD KILL THEMSELVES TRYING TO UNVEIL THESE BASTARDS!
    KIRK CAMERON IS THE DEVIL, THE INNER CHURCH IS REAL! L RON HUBBARD(Alias:Terrence William Pritchard) AND AYN RAND(Alias:Ann Coulter) ARE STILL ALIVE!
    Everything I said is real. Coulter doesn't just style herself after Rand, she is Rand, and her skin doesn't look like that because she's a cocaine addict/boozehound, but because she is not alive in any sense that we would understand, and must regularly bathe in the blood of children in order to appear on film.

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    Modern ManModern Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Erich Zahn wrote: »
    EDIT:Also, the Secret Service sprung a leak because they changed the goddamn parade route the day before.
    They let the President drive around in an open car. I mean, sooner or later some assassin was going to get lucky.

    Why involve someone like Oswald in your conspiracy, anyway? If you're some shady group with a lot of resources, you can quite easily get much more reliable shooters who will be able to get away from the scene of the crime and disappear forever.

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    Knuckle DraggerKnuckle Dragger Explosive Ovine Disposal Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    AtomBomb wrote: »
    Oh, also there is this guy:
    http://www.cancerisgoodforyou.com/

    He drives a van around Idyllwild, CA with that written in huge text on the sides. I had an extended conversation with him last spring, mostly about how "they" control the media, news feeds and education system, and you can't believe anything anyone tells you unless you see it for yourself.

    That's the same town where I met the "Russian super magnet controls the weather" guy who shot up the ATM. Considering the population of Idyllwild is like 10 people, it might be the per capita craziest town in the world :)

    I'd believe it. In general, you can divide the population of Idyllwild into two groups, the left-wing wackos who are there because the town started as an art commune and the right-wing wackos who are there because it is about as far off the grid as you can get in Southern California. When we were doing the census, one of our guys wandered down a dirt road and forded a creek (legally, we were required to check every road for unlisted houses). He found a community of some 15-20 homes that nobody knew about...and by homes, I mean 2,500 SF, $800,000 type homes. No government record that they were there, I don't even think the street has a name (all mail on the mountain is done via PO box).

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    Mr PinkMr Pink I got cats for youRegistered User regular
    edited February 2011
    EWom wrote: »
    I know 3 people who refuse to use anything google related, and always bash on people who use google anything (maps, earth, search engine, mail etc). They are all convinced that governments are not behind new world order.. it's google, and they're taking over everything.

    I asked one of them why it was a problem if Google takes over everything, since all they do is give their shit away for from.

    "Oh no, I got my free Google shoes today, and ate my free google lunch, then got in my free google car, and didn't go to work cause everything is free now.. it's got adds all over the damn place, but it's free!"

    He said "yeah it's free now, just wait until your working for free, in their free mines, digging all the free gold out for them."

    "Well as long as I have my free google kicks, I'm not going to be too worried about it."

    He was pretty infuriated that I thought it was a big joke.

    This just made my day.

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    Edith UpwardsEdith Upwards Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    Modern Man wrote: »
    Erich Zahn wrote: »
    EDIT:Also, the Secret Service sprung a leak because they changed the goddamn parade route the day before.
    They let the President drive around in an open car. I mean, sooner or later some assassin was going to get lucky.

    Why involve someone like Oswald in your conspiracy, anyway? If you're some shady group with a lot of resources, you can quite easily get much more reliable shooters who will be able to get away from the scene of the crime and disappear forever.

    Cult leaders are not the sanest of people. Nor are cultists.

    The Secret Service theory is bullshit, for both the reasons you've implied AND others. Many others.

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    Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited February 2011
    I just got this on the Glenn Beck Conspiracy Theory Generator:
    "A lot of Americans aren't paying attention to the fact that the socialists running Congress want to create a One World Government that will strip us of our God-given right to hate our fellow man."

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    Fallout2manFallout2man Vault Dweller Registered User regular
    The problem with conspiracy theories is that bad ones are all easily false but good ones are all scarily plausible. If you're able to create a plausible scenario where you can explain all of the given evidence in a way that it supports your theory then visibly it's not that much different then scientific inquiry to others. Because at the end of the day the only way you can tell the real difference between a scientist and a conspiracy theorist is whether one is fitting their theory to the facts or fitting their facts to their theory and when someone's smart enough it becomes quite easy to present the appearance of either to just about anyone.

    The only way to prove a conspiracy theorist wrong is to find a falsifiable claim that they've made that profoundly destroys the current foundation of their theory. Which when you start getting really complicated like, say, David Icke then it becomes almost impossible without spending enormous amounts of time and research to counteract all of the time and research he's put into his theory to just find the one small part where he may actually have gotten it wrong. The funniest part though? If you keep doing this then you eventually force a conspiracy theorist into becoming a proper scientist. Because eventually after being proven wrong enough they have no choice but to adapt by becoming much more accurate and real with how they theorize about the world.

    So after long enough the two become functionally indistinguishable as to continue either must accurately describe reality. Now how's that for a mind-fuck? ;p

    On Ignorance:
    Kana wrote:
    If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"

    Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
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    MahnmutMahnmut Registered User regular
    Behemoth wrote:
    Modern Man wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

    A not-so-secret club that might well be running the world. Or, at the very least, its members are making some really important decisions while drunk and peeing in the woods.
    * "The Bohemian Grove, that I attend from time to time—the Easterners and the others come there—but it is the most faggy goddamn thing you could ever imagine, that San Francisco crowd that goes in there; it's just terrible! I mean I won't shake hands with anybody from San Francisco."—President Richard M. Nixon on the Watergate tapes, Bohemian Club member starting in 1953.[15]

    * "If I were to choose the speech that gave me the most pleasure and satisfaction in my political career, it would be my Lakeside Speech at the Bohemian Grove in July 1967. Because this speech traditionally was off the record it received no publicity at the time. But in many important ways it marked the first milestone on my road to the presidency."—President Richard Nixon, Memoirs (1978).[15]

    Ahahahahahaha

    The first Nixon quote amuses me because of the recent rumor that Nixon had a gay affair (which, I dunno).

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    The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    Two things you can reliably count on:

    1) The incompetency of state intelligence services

    2) The inability of a state to safeguard state secrets (for a wide variety of reasons)

    These two things by themselves more or less undo a fundamental premise of conspiracy theorists - that any government has an apparatus that can & does conceal terrible secrets from the public - without anyone needing to bother with the typical litmus tests for incredible claims.


    I have to admit, though, I'm a softie for UFO conpiracy stories. Whenever someone starts to rail on about how the Greys have us under their thumbs and are mind-controlling the military industrial complex, I always want to hear more of their 'insight' into that issue.

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    The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_185506&src_vid=Qj8741m2jLc&v=gfPD5pEop2w&feature=iv

    ....Can someone attempt to translate this man's insane ramblings for me?

    I literally have no idea what he thinks he has captured on video (other than some pretty unremarkable footage of the moon, with sme shitty drawings superimposed over it.

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    MahnmutMahnmut Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_185506&src_vid=Qj8741m2jLc&v=gfPD5pEop2w&feature=iv

    ....Can someone attempt to translate this man's insane ramblings for me?

    I literally have no idea what he thinks he has captured on video (other than some pretty unremarkable footage of the moon, with sme shitty drawings superimposed over it.

    That's no moon.

    Seriously, it's a Death Star. You usually can't see it because it's hidden behind a hologram. He was only able to "peirce" the hologram because there were no chemtrails in the area. Poe's Law notwithstanding, this video is so cute I feel pretty safe labeling it a spoof. <3

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    The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    The problem with conspiracy theories is that bad ones are all easily false but good ones are all scarily plausible. If you're able to create a plausible scenario where you can explain all of the given evidence in a way that it supports your theory then visibly it's not that much different then scientific inquiry to others. Because at the end of the day the only way you can tell the real difference between a scientist and a conspiracy theorist is whether one is fitting their theory to the facts or fitting their facts to their theory and when someone's smart enough it becomes quite easy to present the appearance of either to just about anyone.

    The only way to prove a conspiracy theorist wrong is to find a falsifiable claim that they've made that profoundly destroys the current foundation of their theory. Which when you start getting really complicated like, say, David Icke then it becomes almost impossible without spending enormous amounts of time and research to counteract all of the time and research he's put into his theory to just find the one small part where he may actually have gotten it wrong. The funniest part though? If you keep doing this then you eventually force a conspiracy theorist into becoming a proper scientist. Because eventually after being proven wrong enough they have no choice but to adapt by becoming much more accurate and real with how they theorize about the world.

    So after long enough the two become functionally indistinguishable as to continue either must accurately describe reality. Now how's that for a mind-fuck? ;p

    Nonsense. People have been arguing with Icke forever. He has now declared himself the second coming, not become a proper scientist. The man is mentally ill. Check out the book "The Psychopath Test". They talk about him in a chapter.

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    Fallout2manFallout2man Vault Dweller Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Well I haven't actually read his books but I did stumble onto a lot of his online presence and from what I saw it seemed he had the most well-pieced together conspiracy-world of anyone I'd encountered so far regarding trying to seem mostly plausible and yet also encompassing so many out there subjects in one basket. I haven't really seen any of his debates with others yet, but argumentation itself doesn't mean anything unless he's been caught repeatedly contradicting himself while professing that he was never wrong.

    What someone believes only becomes crazy when it contradicts reality. So the number of people arguing with him isn't really important compared to the amount of successful contradictions they might've pointed out. Conspiracy theorists even if they can be a bit unhinged often still can point out useful stuff though. I never really thought much about Israel and our foreign policy towards them until I'd heard about it from one of his videos. Even though it's obvious he has a bias, because it's obvious that makes it much easier to filter to see if there might've been a kernel of reality in there worth plucking.

    Is there some way to read this book you mentioned online? I don't really have money to spare to gain supplementary material to read so I just go with whatever I can grab for free online. I'd definitely be interested in reading what the book has to say though.

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    Kana wrote:
    If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"

    Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
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    autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    I don't think there is a real "conspiracy" in the traditional sense. But I do believe there are rich people trying to get even more rich, and that some of them have long since transcended any local laws mere mortals have to follow.
    And just maybe, they are fucking up the world in their attempt to get even richer and more powerful.
    It's always about the money. If you can, follow the money, and there you have your conspiracy.

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    autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    Double post

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    HeisenbergHeisenberg Registered User regular
    I'm not huge into conspiracy theories but JFK is one of the only obvious "blatantly a conspiracy" stories I can think of.

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    LucidLucid Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    People have been arguing with Icke forever. He has now declared himself the second coming, not become a proper scientist. The man is mentally ill. Check out the book "The Psychopath Test". They talk about him in a chapter.
    The author, Jon Ronson did a documentary about Icke as well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8kwbQyFTdk

    He also made one about Randy Weaver and his family. He was a not quite militant conspiracy theorist who believed the government was out to get people like him. It turned out that law enforcement mistakenly perceived him to be a threat, and attacked his home in the woods killing some of his family.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9-Ih4H70MM

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    HeisenbergHeisenberg Registered User regular
    edited December 2011
    devCharles wrote:
    Lawndart wrote: »
    The implicit but unspoken cultural imperialism underlying the whole "Chariot Of The Gods" school of conspiracy theories and the "but these non-European savages couldn't have built this on their own!" claims that support them never fails to amuse me.

    Building the pyramids for those dirty Egyptians really was the white alien's burden, wot wot.

    I think that's also born out of the large scale misconception that is so often repeated that we have no idea how the Pyramids were built. We actually have some pretty solid ideas.

    This is another one I'm kind of on the fence about. Isn't the main thing not so much how absurdly difficult it would have been to even to build them, but how precise they were built and where the tips point to in space?

    And do we know how the statues on easter island were erected? Or what about the crystal skulls?

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    Fallout2manFallout2man Vault Dweller Registered User regular
    I don't think there is a real "conspiracy" in the traditional sense. But I do believe there are rich people trying to get even more rich, and that some of them have long since transcended any local laws mere mortals have to follow.
    And just maybe, they are fucking up the world in their attempt to get even richer and more powerful.
    It's always about the money. If you can, follow the money, and there you have your conspiracy.

    I actually tried to create a more fleshed out version of that. The Proto-Conspiracy, I tried to imagine out a possibility whereby there were no actual secret evil conspiracies but rather where it was just stupidity and greed appearing to others like a conspiracy. Sort of like how Dawkins explained the appearance of intentional design despite it's actual absence in the Blind Watchmaker.

    It really does about fit, stupid and greedy people often seem to find themselves in places of power so it makes sense they'd try to collude to cover up their problems to keep power.

    On Ignorance:
    Kana wrote:
    If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"

    Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
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    Anarchy Rules!Anarchy Rules! Registered User regular
    Heisenberg wrote:
    devCharles wrote:
    Lawndart wrote: »
    The implicit but unspoken cultural imperialism underlying the whole "Chariot Of The Gods" school of conspiracy theories and the "but these non-European savages couldn't have built this on their own!" claims that support them never fails to amuse me.

    Building the pyramids for those dirty Egyptians really was the white alien's burden, wot wot.

    I think that's also born out of the large scale misconception that is so often repeated that we have no idea how the Pyramids were built. We actually have some pretty solid ideas.

    This is another one I'm kind of on the fence about. Isn't the main thing not so much how absurdly difficult it would have been to even to build them, but how precise they were built and where the tips point to in space?

    And do we know how the statues on easter island were erected? Or what about the crystal skulls?
    I think the main problem with conspiracy theories is Occams razor. The pyramids could have been created by aliens, but it's rather more likely that they were built by slaves and/or skilled craftsmen.

    The Easter island statues were carved using stone on the island and moved into place using trees. Crystal skulls are a load of baloney, with all the 'real' ones actually being produced in Europe in the 19th century.

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    Technicus RexTechnicus Rex All your base.Registered User regular
    Well it just turned midnight in my locale that means it's 2012 where I am so in the truest (and funnest) spirit of this thread...,

    Happy end of the world fuckers!

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    the most annoying conspiracy theory to me is flouride in our water is poison. flouride in our water is one of the best health improvements in the 20th century.

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    Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    My uncle refuses to use GMail or Google+ because he's convinced they're an evil information-gathering cult or something.

    He uses Facebook out of necessity for business reasons, but he's constantly obsessing over his privacy settings and exactly what personal information other people are posting on his wall.

    It's annoying.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    My conspiracy believing friend sent this to me

    I feel obliged to watch it and tell him what I think about it but he doesn't take a disagreement well and it's really long.

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    Heisenberg wrote:
    devCharles wrote:
    Lawndart wrote: »
    The implicit but unspoken cultural imperialism underlying the whole "Chariot Of The Gods" school of conspiracy theories and the "but these non-European savages couldn't have built this on their own!" claims that support them never fails to amuse me.

    Building the pyramids for those dirty Egyptians really was the white alien's burden, wot wot.

    I think that's also born out of the large scale misconception that is so often repeated that we have no idea how the Pyramids were built. We actually have some pretty solid ideas.

    This is another one I'm kind of on the fence about. Isn't the main thing not so much how absurdly difficult it would have been to even to build them, but how precise they were built and where the tips point to in space?

    And do we know how the statues on easter island were erected? Or what about the crystal skulls?

    The Pyramids are not precisely built. In fact if you go from the earliest to the latest you can see obvious improvements to the process.

    The myth was that they point to a certain star but that star has move quite far from when it was built to now.

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    Skoal CatSkoal Cat Registered User regular
    Heisenberg wrote:
    devCharles wrote:
    Lawndart wrote: »
    The implicit but unspoken cultural imperialism underlying the whole "Chariot Of The Gods" school of conspiracy theories and the "but these non-European savages couldn't have built this on their own!" claims that support them never fails to amuse me.

    Building the pyramids for those dirty Egyptians really was the white alien's burden, wot wot.

    I think that's also born out of the large scale misconception that is so often repeated that we have no idea how the Pyramids were built. We actually have some pretty solid ideas.

    This is another one I'm kind of on the fence about. Isn't the main thing not so much how absurdly difficult it would have been to even to build them, but how precise they were built and where the tips point to in space?

    And do we know how the statues on easter island were erected? Or what about the crystal skulls?

    When there is quite literally fuck all else to do, you can accomplish a lot. Ancient civilizations, once they had food and water worked out, had a ton of extra time.

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    The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    I'm not huge into conspiracy theories but JFK is one of the only obvious "blatantly a conspiracy" stories I can think of.

    -.-

    Kennedy was shot by Oswald. There is no reasonable dispute over this matter (the only academic debate is over the details of the initial investigation, which was sloppily done).

    The shot was heard & seen coming from the floor Oswald was standing on. The first officer on the scene met Oswald running down the stairs (and the only reason he was not arrested rigt then & there was because the manager of the library accidentally provided him with cover), and found the rifle in the room where Oswald - and ONLY Oswald - had been working.

    Oswald hopped on a bus to try and skip town, but the bus stopped short of it's destination and Oswald had to try and make it to the depot on foot. He was stopped by an officer due to an APB that was sent out looking for him as a person of interest, and then he shot and murdered the officer who stopped him without any provocation at short range with a revolver. There were dozens of witnesses to this shooting, which happened in broad daylight in a busy street.

    Oswald ran from his second shooting, ducked into a theatre, and police were led to him by witnesses. He resisted arrest, but was ultimately tackled to the ground.

    Jack Ruby killed Oswald because Jack Ruby was one of the many ruthless attack dogs that the Kennedy's had befriended while showering themselves with gold & champagne, and he wanted to deliver some retribution on the behalf of John's spouse.


    We have a very, very clear picture of what happened before, during and after John Kennedy's murder, and none of it involves a

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    The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    I feel obliged to watch it and tell him what I think about it but he doesn't take a disagreement well and it's really long.

    It's basically Zeitgeist, but with the production values of a high school educational video.


    I love how it lionizes McFadden as some kind of martyr for the common man, assassinated while struggling against the tentacles of the men behind the curtain... and forgets to mention that McFadden's motivation for opposing the bankers was his belief that they were all part of the global Jewish conspiracy. Whoops.

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    HeisenbergHeisenberg Registered User regular
    How do you account for the magic bullet?

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    My uncle refuses to use GMail or Google+ because he's convinced they're an evil information-gathering cult or something.

    He uses Facebook out of necessity for business reasons, but he's constantly obsessing over his privacy settings and exactly what personal information other people are posting on his wall.

    It's annoying.

    What's crazy about any of this?

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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    shryke wrote:
    My uncle refuses to use GMail or Google+ because he's convinced they're an evil information-gathering cult or something.

    He uses Facebook out of necessity for business reasons, but he's constantly obsessing over his privacy settings and exactly what personal information other people are posting on his wall.

    It's annoying.

    What's crazy about any of this?

    Nothing at all. That old line about google's users being the product and not the customer is true. The reason the services exist is twofold: to enable them to build behavioural models of individuals to better target ads, and to provide somewhere to put those ads where the individual in question will see them. Google is quite open about this, their argument being that most people would prefer to see better targetted advertising than be subjected to advertising for things in which they have no interest.

    Ultimately it depends precisely how much information you're comfortable providing to them, and there aren't yet the regulatory structures in place to compel them to delete information they hold should you decide you no longer wish them to have it. Facebook in particular has demonstrated (although granted they've been subjected to regulation and hefty fines as a result) that they have no qualms about using data provided to them in ways to which the subject never agreed.

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    The best conspiracy theory is that all conspiracy theorist are plants to discredit conspiracy theories.

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    japan wrote:
    Facebook in particular has demonstrated (although granted they've been subjected to regulation and hefty fines as a result) that they have no qualms about using data provided to them in ways to which the subject never agreed.

    And that's a big reason I don't use Facebook. Which is annoying sometimes, as more and more contests and links I see require a Facebook account, but I still consider keeping my information to parties I allow it to have more important.

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    durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    Skoal Cat wrote:
    Heisenberg wrote:
    devCharles wrote:
    Lawndart wrote: »
    The implicit but unspoken cultural imperialism underlying the whole "Chariot Of The Gods" school of conspiracy theories and the "but these non-European savages couldn't have built this on their own!" claims that support them never fails to amuse me.

    Building the pyramids for those dirty Egyptians really was the white alien's burden, wot wot.

    I think that's also born out of the large scale misconception that is so often repeated that we have no idea how the Pyramids were built. We actually have some pretty solid ideas.

    This is another one I'm kind of on the fence about. Isn't the main thing not so much how absurdly difficult it would have been to even to build them, but how precise they were built and where the tips point to in space?

    And do we know how the statues on easter island were erected? Or what about the crystal skulls?

    When there is quite literally fuck all else to do, you can accomplish a lot. Ancient civilizations, once they had food and water worked out, had a ton of extra time.
    Also, really: precise construction is the standard, not the exception, in ancient civilizations. Laser levels aren't a requirement for making quality work. The pyramids are completely in keeping with construction methods available at the time. Hell, there are even obvious precursors with understandable errors that are obviously considered and corrected.

    The Easter island statues were large statues. Made by people over a pong but not ridiculous period of time. Because they thought making statues was important. The poor guys had a fucking awful colonization experience. They didn't collapse mysteriously. They weren't really mysterious at all, people just don't bother looking up their contact with the west.

    The crystal skulls I am 90% sure are a modern fake.

    Ancient cultures aren't mysterious, just ancient.

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    HeisenbergHeisenberg Registered User regular
    I thought the crystal skulls were proven to be actual crystal, in which case isn't it impossible to cut crystal like that with modern tools?

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    Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt (effective against Russian warships) Registered User regular
    Ha, no, all of the skulls that have been allowed to been analyzed have all proven to be manufactured by modern methods, modern stretching from the 19th century to today. Allegedly. It's always possible the shadowy organizations who want acquire them for their own ends have infiltrated the research teams that analyzed them and forged the results to make them easier to acquire for their own nefarious purposes.

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    MahnmutMahnmut Registered User regular
    Ha, no, all of the skulls that have been allowed to been analyzed have all proven to be manufactured by modern methods, modern stretching from the 19th century to today. Allegedly. It's always possible the shadowy organizations who want acquire them for their own ends have infiltrated the research teams that analyzed them and forged the results to make them easier to acquire for their own nefarious purposes.

    Unless -- it's proof that the ancients were far more advanced than we know!

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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited January 2012
    Skoalcat wrote:
    And do we know how the statues on easter island were erected?
    The Easter island statues were large statues. Made by people over a pong but not ridiculous period of time. Because they thought making statues was important. The poor guys had a fucking awful colonization experience. They didn't collapse mysteriously. They weren't really mysterious at all, people just don't bother looking up their contact with the west.

    The Easter Island statues are well documented. The culture that existed there made the statues as a symbol of status and power. Captain Cook, I think, visited there some time before any other Europeans, and reported it as a thriving island. When Europeans returned later, they found the island barren and the people starving. They had cut down nearly all the trees on the island to erect these statues. Many of the statues now have parts broken off, because afterwards people were so pissed at what had happened they defaced them. And rightfully so. The whole thing was dumb as hell.

    People often use it as a lesson about environmentalism and ecology.

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