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A Shock Doctrine

XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
edited April 2011 in Singularity Engine++
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The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by Canadian author Naomi Klein, and is the basis of a 2009 documentary by the same name.

The book argues that the free market policies of Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman have risen to prominence in some countries because they were pushed through while the citizens were reacting to disasters or upheavals. It is implied that some man-made crises, such as the Falklands war, may have been created with the intention of being able to push through these unpopular reforms in their wake.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_A77N5WKWM

But these techniques don't only work on individuals. They can work on whole societies. A collective trauma, a war, a coup, a natural disaster, a terrorist attack puts as all into a state of shock. And in the aftermath, like the prisoner in the interrogation chamber, we too become child-like, and more inclined to follow leaders who claim to protect us.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jr0YUW98TY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVo7495RKW4





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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Oh Xehalus. When will you learn?

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  • BerkBerk Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    when will you learn this forum is focused on the concerns of corpulent deathly pale shit beards obsessed with stroking their micro-cocks over the latest disposable pop culture shite marketed at 12 year olds

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    it's a good book but pretty one-sided in a lot of areas. i distrust klein's tendency to villainize friedman's economic strategy, because it ignores a lot of other real issues that contribute to the failure of nations' economies

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    also it relies on the central metaphor of the tabula rasa effects of shock treatment, which don't actually work in that way

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  • KoshianKoshian __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    plus pretty much everything written in shock doctrine was covered by earlier, much better philosophers/economists

    not to diss naomi klein. she's good for what she is

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  • EdcrabEdcrab Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    "Real change" sounds like a pretty nebulous concept to me

    Open to a No True Scotsman fallacy

    Speaking of which, hello Berk how are you

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  • KoshianKoshian __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    Berk wrote: »
    when will you learn this forum is focused on the concerns of corpulent deathly pale shit beards obsessed with stroking their micro-cocks over the latest disposable pop culture shite marketed at 12 year olds

    damn.

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  • Darkness MundusDarkness Mundus Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    That's like some economist version of diversionary war type shit. Empirical evidence? Aw hell nah. Believability? Maaaaybe.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    plus pretty much everything written in shock doctrine was covered by earlier, much better philosophers/economists

    not to diss naomi klein. she's good for what she is

    i'll diss her for writing a bad book, because that's what shock doctrine is

    after no logo had a bunch of success i feel like she's going 'OH I GUESS I'M A REVOLUTIONARY NOW' and wrote another book about how capitalism is like, harmful, and is now sitting patiently in toronto waiting for someone to knock on her door with cookies

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    no logo was really enjoyable though

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  • KoshianKoshian __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    That's like some economist version of diversionary war type shit. Empirical evidence? Aw hell nah. Believability? Maaaaybe.

    what?

    i mean the most concrete/recent/relatable to americans incident of this happening is the straight up privatisation of New Orleans's school system after Hurricane Katrina

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  • KoshianKoshian __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    she stresses a few times in shock doctrine that she supports mixed economies, not very 'revolutionary', to be honest

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Koshian wrote: »
    Berk wrote: »
    when will you learn this forum is focused on the concerns of corpulent deathly pale shit beards obsessed with stroking their micro-cocks over the latest disposable pop culture shite marketed at 12 year olds

    damn.

    I want to do with you
    What spring does with the cherry trees.
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  • Wrench N RocketsWrench N Rockets Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Tell us more Berk.

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  • KoshianKoshian __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2011
    actually speaking of hurricane katrina here is an amazing article about its aftermath

    http://www.thenation.com/article/katrinas-hidden-race-war

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Berk wrote: »
    when will you learn this forum is focused on the concerns of corpulent deathly pale shit beards obsessed with stroking their micro-cocks over the latest disposable pop culture shite marketed at 12 year olds

    i'm gonna see if i can get the forum's description changed to this just before the new forums hit

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    hi Berk

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  • DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    well he's got me pegged

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'd just like to stress though that there's nothing wrong with being overweight or preferring the indoors or having trouble growing a full beard.

    I want to do with you
    What spring does with the cherry trees.
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  • EdcrabEdcrab Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Those filthy looters stealing water and diapers for their own personal profit

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  • crwthcrwth IDIOT NEWS Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    or having a micro-cock

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  • undeinPiratundeinPirat Registered User
    edited March 2011
    crwth wrote: »
    or having a micro-cock

    phew

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] steam: undeinpirat
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  • FrankoFranko Sometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeat Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    when this book gets made into a blockbuster movie directed by michael bay ill watch it

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  • XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I agree the book feels like a rush job or gap-filled at times, but it's overall message is fairly enlightening.

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  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
  • HeavyVillainHeavyVillain Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Edcrab wrote: »
    Those filthy looters stealing water and diapers for their own personal profit

    them zany mlp fans eh

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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Franko wrote: »
    when this book gets made into a blockbuster movie directed by michael bay ill watch it

    They couldn't afford Michael Bay.

    They had to settle for M. Night Shymalan.

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  • Mr. ButtonsMr. Buttons Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I don't fit that description... I've got a tan

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  • XehalusXehalus Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Franko wrote: »
    when this book gets made into a blockbuster movie directed by michael bay ill watch it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCQj-z86qUo

    They use explosion-esque sounds in the trailer.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    Xehalus wrote: »
    I agree the book feels like a rush job or gap-filled at times, but it's overall message is fairly enlightening.

    it's not a rush job, it's just poorly written and disingenuous. Other economics and historians have written about this pattern, she says in the book that she's read them (in passing in a footnote), but doesn't mention that they're essentially the same book except better written.

    Saying 'sure, the book sucks but i like the overall message' is like saying 'I didn't read twilight but I liked it based on the back cover blurb'. If you're not going to take into account the actual approach to the topic as written in the actual book, why bother?

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  • AntimatterAntimatter Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    skinny, not pale, lacking a beard, don't pay attention to fads

    but yeah that's pretty accurate

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I don't fit that description... I've got a tan

    Man I told you to use some duct tape on that hole in your roof

    I want to do with you
    What spring does with the cherry trees.
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  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Yeah, I liked the book. But it was cooler back before it was written.

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  • FrankoFranko Sometimes I really wish I had four feet so I could dance with myself to the drumbeat Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    aww goddamnit it is a movie? I thought I was making a joke

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  • MonkeyfeetMonkeyfeet Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Hey what a coincidence I've been reading No Logo and think that Klein talks about herself way too much in her examples

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  • Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Berk wrote: »
    when will you learn this forum is focused on the concerns of corpulent deathly pale shit beards obsessed with stroking their micro-cocks over the latest disposable pop culture shite marketed at 12 year olds

    Pros: Skinny, can't grow facial hair, not 12 years old
    Cons: Pale, can't grow facial hair (shut up, this counts as a bad and good thing), micro-cock, love pop culture shite (Gaga <3)

    Dang, I think Berk insulted me

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2011
    which edition, mf? i hear that's a little worse in the 10th anniversary edition

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  • KrunkMcGrunkKrunkMcGrunk Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    berk with the burn of the decade

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  • Viscount IslandsViscount Islands [INSERT SoKo HERE] Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Sweeney I think he was talking more about My Little Pony.

    But Lady Gaga probably counts too.

    I want to do with you
    What spring does with the cherry trees.
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  • AntimatterAntimatter Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    the MLP thing is kinda odd


    but I don't get the Kpop fad either

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