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  • SeguerSeguer Registered User regular
    Ah. I did that a couple of times, as well as general searches about whether programs can detect other programs doing things.

    Wasn't too sure about the keypresses, but I mentioned it anyway :)

  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    By the way, the inspiration for that name idea of mine was that I just watched the day9 Funday Monday about Nydus Worms...

    Why the fuck don't high level players ever use them? That was the most awesome zerg play I've ever seen. I cannot recall ever seeing one used in a tournament, and I honestly can't understand why they aren't used more.

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  • TheBogTheBog Registered User regular
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    By the way, the inspiration for that name idea of mine was that I just watched the day9 Funday Monday about Nydus Worms...

    Why the fuck don't high level players ever use them? That was the most awesome zerg play I've ever seen. I cannot recall ever seeing one used in a tournament, and I honestly can't understand why they aren't used more.

    I believe it's because by mid-game, players have vision of pretty much their half of the map. There's nowhere you can sneak a nydus worm. It relies on your opponent being dumb and not noticing the giant enemy-colored square throbbing on their mini map. As for using them as retreat paths, I guess that's possible, but zerg units are already the fastest in the game so they don't have trouble retreating (unless they're hydras), but people are bypassing that by doing drops, not worms.

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  • PoolCuePoolCue Registered User regular
    The same reason people don't see mass queen strats

    because its cool and all that it saw some success on funday monday but its not really viable in tournaments

    edit: having said that, I really wish I could find ways to use nydus worms a lot more

    maybe for supporting further away expansions in the GSL maps or as retreat paths

    I dunno

  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    I was referring more to the tactic of keeping your opponent's army either bouncing back and forth between multiple locations, or split up guarding each expansion (making it easy to crush one with a focused attack).

    I also loved how they used them for speedy retreats and expansions in unusual locations, like the islands.

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  • PoolCuePoolCue Registered User regular
    one of the problems that nydus worms suffer is that its not a very good defensive tool

    because if you have a nydus at a base that an enemy is pressuring, it takes quite a while for the nydus to unload all the units you need (and you typically need quite a lot) to defend the base

    this is in contrast to brood war where you could instantly reinforce any area that had a nydus near it

    maybe having two or three worms at a base could work defensively, but that seems expensive. I guess having a scouting ling to accomodate for the time needed to unload units could work.

    as to your comment about expanding on islands, there aren't really any maps that use islands anymore.

    actually I do remember dimaga making use of the nydus worm to double expand on the islands against whitera in lost temple. I think it was in a blizzcon game

    I'll have to watch the nydus funday monday for more ideas I guess

  • peacekeeperpeacekeeper Brisbane, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    maybe the more apt question would be when do you see high level play in a funday monday

  • Raiden333Raiden333 Registered User regular
    maybe the more apt question would be when do you see high level play in a funday monday

    look, I'm not saying "why don't I see catz and idra doing funday monday builds"

    I'm just saying "it's odd that I see a tool in the zerg arsenal that seems pretty damn useful in several situations but never gets used"

    I definitely plan to play around with nydus worms, but then again, I'm in the lower leagues so it won't mean much if I do well with it till I move up.

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  • AnzekayAnzekay The world is not beautiful Therefore it isRegistered User regular
    Fruitdealer won a game with a Nydus once or two.

    But he is/was insane so that's probably why.

    Battletag: Anzekay#1395
  • UrQuanLord88UrQuanLord88 Registered User regular
    Its just like TLO with nukes.

    I think

  • PoolCuePoolCue Registered User regular
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    maybe the more apt question would be when do you see high level play in a funday monday

    look, I'm not saying "why don't I see catz and idra doing funday monday builds"

    I'm just saying "it's odd that I see a tool in the zerg arsenal that seems pretty damn useful in several situations but never gets used"

    I definitely plan to play around with nydus worms, but then again, I'm in the lower leagues so it won't mean much if I do well with it till I move up.

    because the usefulness of the main function everyone considers the nydus worm for (sneaky drops in the main) is useless and so the stigma causes everyone to shy away from using it

    it probably is really useful in certain situations but I think people consider the money that would have been placed into more units more useful than what a nydus can provide.

    basically there needs to be a build that incorporates nyduses that works really well consistently and has also been seen by a lot of people before anyone will consider starting to incorporate them in anything

    also, peacekeeper what happened to your cool medic sig

  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    maybe the more apt question would be when do you see high level play in a funday monday

    look, I'm not saying "why don't I see catz and idra doing funday monday builds"

    I'm just saying "it's odd that I see a tool in the zerg arsenal that seems pretty damn useful in several situations but never gets used"

    I definitely plan to play around with nydus worms, but then again, I'm in the lower leagues so it won't mean much if I do well with it till I move up.

    actually you kinda do see catz doing funday monday builds.

    its sort of his thing

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  • PoolCuePoolCue Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    maybe the more apt question would be when do you see high level play in a funday monday

    look, I'm not saying "why don't I see catz and idra doing funday monday builds"

    I'm just saying "it's odd that I see a tool in the zerg arsenal that seems pretty damn useful in several situations but never gets used"

    I definitely plan to play around with nydus worms, but then again, I'm in the lower leagues so it won't mean much if I do well with it till I move up.

    actually you kinda do see catz doing funday monday builds.

    its sort of his thing

    and then he later talks about how broodload/mass queen isn't really that good

  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    korean boy bands are weird

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  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    PoolCue wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    maybe the more apt question would be when do you see high level play in a funday monday

    look, I'm not saying "why don't I see catz and idra doing funday monday builds"

    I'm just saying "it's odd that I see a tool in the zerg arsenal that seems pretty damn useful in several situations but never gets used"

    I definitely plan to play around with nydus worms, but then again, I'm in the lower leagues so it won't mean much if I do well with it till I move up.

    actually you kinda do see catz doing funday monday builds.

    its sort of his thing

    and then he later talks about how broodload/mass queen isn't really that good

    well yeah but still that sort of forestalls any argument that high level players aren't being creative

    they do try these things out and the verdict is usually "this is pretty cool but not very good"

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  • PoolCuePoolCue Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    PoolCue wrote: »
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    maybe the more apt question would be when do you see high level play in a funday monday

    look, I'm not saying "why don't I see catz and idra doing funday monday builds"

    I'm just saying "it's odd that I see a tool in the zerg arsenal that seems pretty damn useful in several situations but never gets used"

    I definitely plan to play around with nydus worms, but then again, I'm in the lower leagues so it won't mean much if I do well with it till I move up.

    actually you kinda do see catz doing funday monday builds.

    its sort of his thing

    and then he later talks about how broodload/mass queen isn't really that good

    well yeah but still that sort of forestalls any argument that high level players aren't being creative

    they do try these things out and the verdict is usually "this is pretty cool but not very good"

    which then answers raiden's question about why they aren't used in tournaments

    TEAMWORK DHAL!

  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    Brother Mack talks about the GSL finals

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbkhVJFmMDY

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  • peacekeeperpeacekeeper Brisbane, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    [GSTL] Round of 8 Day 1

    IM vs ZeNEX

    fOu vs TSL

  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    TSL vs fOu is easy to pick, TSL will take it unless fOu has improved dramatically, and judging by sc and leenocks results, they havent

    but ZeNEX is harder to pick, they have san and Byun.

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  • His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User
    Terran, never change

  • PoolCuePoolCue Registered User regular
    hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    hahahahhahaha he didn't even kill one spine

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  • peacekeeperpeacekeeper Brisbane, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    does zenex not have any toss

  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    they have sanzenith

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  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    new map!

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  • peacekeeperpeacekeeper Brisbane, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    2base tank marine

    21mins in, time to get combat shield!

  • PoolCuePoolCue Registered User regular
    these zenex guys sure aren't pulling their weight

  • JivesJives Registered User
    Where are you all watching this?

  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    hey wait san isn't in ZeNEX anymore, he's in HoSeo.

    @Jives: www.gomtv.net

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  • KamiKami Registered User regular
    Jives wrote: »
    Where are you all watching this?

    GomTV.net

    Click the 'Free Stream' one, if you aren't a premium subscriber

    Sidenote: I booted up SC2, and one would think that now since I'm unemployed I'd be all 'SC2 all day eeryday', but I just can't seem to focus :?

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  • marty_0001marty_0001 Registered User regular
    FUCK yeah I finally beat a terran who caged me in with two barracks outside my main and kept hammering me with marauders. I have been losing to MMM's all week but I finally cracked the code: more stalkers and MORE FORCEFIELDS

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  • musanmanmusanman Registered User regular
    marty_0001 wrote: »
    FUCK yeah I finally beat a terran who caged me in with two barracks outside my main and kept hammering me with marauders. I have been losing to MMM's all week but I finally cracked the code: more stalkers and MORE FORCEFIELDS

    MORE FORCEFIELDS huh? That's a code that's on the back of my box of trix for the 6 year olds to figure out.

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  • peacekeeperpeacekeeper Brisbane, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    sounds like you need to improve your macro marty

  • PoolCuePoolCue Registered User regular
    i like the design of these new highlight clips that are on right now

  • marty_0001marty_0001 Registered User regular
    sounds like you need to improve your macro marty

    Always, always, always.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    what a game...

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  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    FD continues to do terrible all in play. :(

  • DhalphirDhalphir Registered User regular
    no one seems to watch the GSTL compared to GSL. I don't know why. The games are often much better. ST_Squirtle showcased his stuff primarily in the GSTL. Same with Alicia.

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  • peacekeeperpeacekeeper Brisbane, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    the atmosphere of team v team is more fun

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