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SC2: Nazacra current WFC!!! Dhal vs Kedinik showmatch Friday 8th April 7pm PST!!
Dhalphir
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MNC Dover and the SC2 thread people proudly present:
The Weekly Forum Challenge!
-What the hell is the Weekly Forum Challenge (WFC)?
The WFC is a new idea I came up with that will pit one forum member against everyone else in the forum. Basically, you apply to be in the WFC and when your name is called, you take on everyone else in the forum.
-Huh? Why would I want to do that?
Because it's fun, keeps the forum more interactive, and allows you to improve your game by playing a lot of different playstyles.
-OK, who do I play against?
Everyone. It doesn't matter if your Bronze or Master, these games are no ranks barred. Yeah, if you're a Bronze level player you'll probably get splattered, but you will be learning something and have a set of replays from which to study. You could use this opportunity to practice a single build and see how it fares against several other types of builds. Either way, it will be a good learning experience and fun!
-Sounds interesting....what are the rules?
If your name is called, you will take all invites from Sunday to Saturday that week. Opponents can challenge you via forum posts, PM's, or on B.Net. You must try your best to take on every challenge, so be prepared to spend a few hours on b.net during your week.
-I'm only a Bronze leaguer. I'll get squashed so I don't want to enter.
Hold on there a minute, I'm not done yet. Any WFC entrant can request a live-coach regardless of their rank. Yes, any rank. The coach may only give advice during play in ally chat to you and you cannot ask questions. The coach also cannot tell you what the enemy is doing or steer your build to screw over the enemy. Only tips like, watching your supply counts, build more structures, drone up, scout, expo, spend money, etc. The coach can be anyone the WFC wants and can change from game to game. You can talk with your coach before and after games to discuss strats, build orders, and the like.
-Awesome! I think I want to participate. How do I enter?
PM a message to me with "WFC" as the title and the following information:
-Forum name
-B.Net ID with 3 digit code
-Race played (please only use one to reduce headaches)
-Rank
-Do you want a coach?
-Timezone (easy conversions for us lazy Americans please)
-At least three different weeks you want to apply for with your most favorable choice first (example: 03/20-03/26, 03/27- 04/05, and 04/13-04/19)
-Your choice of how you want to play matches, either bo1 or bo3
-Great, I sent out the information and got accepted. Now what?
Now you have to openly accept challenges from the forum. Post the time or times you will make yourself available for matches. Other people can set-up appointments for matches or play however you choose. If you only want to accept appointments great, if not, you can do a first come, first pwned set-up.
-What maps do we play on?
For bo1's, the WFC player gets to choose the map. Sorry folks, that's the advantage of manning up and taking on all comers. For bo3's, the first game is on Shakura's Plateau with the loser choosing the next map from the official Blizzard Ladder pool. Yes this means the maps may change over time. We'll manage.
-What happens when my week is over?
You gather up all your replays, name them "WFC vs (insert enemy name), add them to gamereplays.org (info found in the OP), and then post EVERY SINGLE GAME into a single spoilered post. The thread creator will add your games into the OP and they'll stay there until the next person's turn is over.
-When does all this begin?
How does this Sunday sound? I'm taking applications now!
-I had an emergency mid-week! What do I do?
No biggie, we all understand that real life stuff happens. Let everyone know and I'll do my best to find someone to fill in the spot. No problem at all.
-Anything else?
Glad you asked. I really think this can be fun, especially if we have some of our more charismatic people bring some light-hearted, jaw-jacking to the table. I'd also really like it if some of the lower ranked players step up and give this a go. In reality, it's no different then playing against PA people anyway, but now it will have more of a focus. You can have a target on your back which might change the way you play by adding or removing pressure.
ABOVE ALL, I just want everyone to have fun and play more SC2.
So, who's in?
The WFC is a new idea I came up with that will pit one forum member against everyone else in the forum. Basically, you apply to be in the WFC and when your name is called, you take on everyone else in the forum.
-Huh? Why would I want to do that?
Because it's fun, keeps the forum more interactive, and allows you to improve your game by playing a lot of different playstyles.
-OK, who do I play against?
Everyone. It doesn't matter if your Bronze or Master, these games are no ranks barred. Yeah, if you're a Bronze level player you'll probably get splattered, but you will be learning something and have a set of replays from which to study. You could use this opportunity to practice a single build and see how it fares against several other types of builds. Either way, it will be a good learning experience and fun!
-Sounds interesting....what are the rules?
If your name is called, you will take all invites from Sunday to Saturday that week. Opponents can challenge you via forum posts, PM's, or on B.Net. You must try your best to take on every challenge, so be prepared to spend a few hours on b.net during your week.
-I'm only a Bronze leaguer. I'll get squashed so I don't want to enter.
Hold on there a minute, I'm not done yet. Any WFC entrant can request a live-coach regardless of their rank. Yes, any rank. The coach may only give advice during play in ally chat to you and you cannot ask questions. The coach also cannot tell you what the enemy is doing or steer your build to screw over the enemy. Only tips like, watching your supply counts, build more structures, drone up, scout, expo, spend money, etc. The coach can be anyone the WFC wants and can change from game to game. You can talk with your coach before and after games to discuss strats, build orders, and the like.
-Awesome! I think I want to participate. How do I enter?
PM a message to me with "WFC" as the title and the following information:
-Forum name
-B.Net ID with 3 digit code
-Race played (please only use one to reduce headaches)
-Rank
-Do you want a coach?
-Timezone (easy conversions for us lazy Americans please)
-At least three different weeks you want to apply for with your most favorable choice first (example: 03/20-03/26, 03/27- 04/05, and 04/13-04/19)
-Your choice of how you want to play matches, either bo1 or bo3
-Great, I sent out the information and got accepted. Now what?
Now you have to openly accept challenges from the forum. Post the time or times you will make yourself available for matches. Other people can set-up appointments for matches or play however you choose. If you only want to accept appointments great, if not, you can do a first come, first pwned set-up.
-What maps do we play on?
For bo1's, the WFC player gets to choose the map. Sorry folks, that's the advantage of manning up and taking on all comers. For bo3's, the first game is on Shakura's Plateau with the loser choosing the next map from the official Blizzard Ladder pool. Yes this means the maps may change over time. We'll manage.
-What happens when my week is over?
You gather up all your replays, name them "WFC vs (insert enemy name), add them to gamereplays.org (info found in the OP), and then post EVERY SINGLE GAME into a single spoilered post. The thread creator will add your games into the OP and they'll stay there until the next person's turn is over.
-When does all this begin?
How does this Sunday sound? I'm taking applications now!
-I had an emergency mid-week! What do I do?
No biggie, we all understand that real life stuff happens. Let everyone know and I'll do my best to find someone to fill in the spot. No problem at all.
-Anything else?
Glad you asked. I really think this can be fun, especially if we have some of our more charismatic people bring some light-hearted, jaw-jacking to the table. I'd also really like it if some of the lower ranked players step up and give this a go. In reality, it's no different then playing against PA people anyway, but now it will have more of a focus. You can have a target on your back which might change the way you play by adding or removing pressure.
ABOVE ALL, I just want everyone to have fun and play more SC2.
So, who's in?
WFC #3
Our third WFC player will be Nazacra! Here's his info:
Forum name: Nazacra
B.net id: Nazacra.554
Race: Zerg
Rank: Diamond
Coaching: Don't want a coach
Time Zone: GMT+10 or 14 hours ahead of EST (ex. 10am EST is midnight there)
Match format: Bo1
Challenge Nazacra sending him a PM, post, or b.net message to set up times!
Join in on weekly tournament fun. Two tournaments available, one for lower leagues and one for the higher leagues.
Replay of the day!
A new feature where the thread creator will grab a random replay posted in the thread and feature it here on the front page. Make sure to upload your replay submissions to submit your replay using gamereplays.org.
Start here to better craft some stars.
The SC2 thread goes a million miles per hour and will leave you in the dust if you aren't prepared. All things are open to discussion here from build orders, practice partners, race match-ups, tournament talk, and general bizarre Korean stuff (usually brought to you by the letter S and the number 86). In order to keep up, I highly recommend you bookmark the following sites:
The Day[9] Daily Live Stream. Sean "Day9" Plott is an 11 year Starcraft veteran, so he knows his shit. He does a live stream Sunday through Thursday that airs 7pm PST/10pm EST. If you miss a stream, you can watch it, and every other streams he's ever done, in his archives. BOOKMARK HIS SITES! You will not be disappointed.
State of the Game A weekly podcast hosted by Day[9], JP, Tyler, and inControl. If you don't know who these people are, you clearly aren't watching enough SC2 tournament stuff. Just bookmark the damn site and listen to it on the go.
HD Starcraft. Good site for beginners to learn from and watch higher end players as well. Being Youtube videos, you can fast forward and rewind to help learn strategies and build orders.
HuskyStarcraft. The brother site of HD Starcraft. Another good site for watching videos of foreign tournaments and for general learning by watching pros.
Gretorp's live stream. A high level Terran player who has amassed quite a following.
Team Liquid. Team Liquid is the biggest Starcraft related fan site out on the Internet today. They follow everything Starcraft related including the pro scene. Many great articles, forums, and information can be found here. A must bookmark for any Starcraft fan.
Starcraft II Liquipedia. Team Liquid has created a wikipedia site for everything SC2 related. This will be updated as time goes on and all information found here should be legit as possible.
Team Liquid Tournament Tracker. Want to play in some SC2 tournaments? Bookmark this link to see what's running now and upcoming in the future.
GOM TV.net. The only officially Blizzard backed tournament spot in Korea. Has a dedicated pair of English casters in the form of Artosis and Nick "Tastless" Plott, Day[9]'s older brother. Great high-end play to be found here. No really, watch this if you've never seen how insane the Korean's take to SC2.
Zerg help with pro player Eg.Machine. Here are three videos featuring opening builds and other great information when playing as Zerg. Each video is an hour long and will help you go a long way at improving your Zerg gameplay. Help with ZvP here, ZvT here, and ZvZ here.
Common timings and when they hit. Exactly what it sounds like.
The Day[9] Daily Live Stream. Sean "Day9" Plott is an 11 year Starcraft veteran, so he knows his shit. He does a live stream Sunday through Thursday that airs 7pm PST/10pm EST. If you miss a stream, you can watch it, and every other streams he's ever done, in his archives. BOOKMARK HIS SITES! You will not be disappointed.
State of the Game A weekly podcast hosted by Day[9], JP, Tyler, and inControl. If you don't know who these people are, you clearly aren't watching enough SC2 tournament stuff. Just bookmark the damn site and listen to it on the go.
HD Starcraft. Good site for beginners to learn from and watch higher end players as well. Being Youtube videos, you can fast forward and rewind to help learn strategies and build orders.
HuskyStarcraft. The brother site of HD Starcraft. Another good site for watching videos of foreign tournaments and for general learning by watching pros.
Gretorp's live stream. A high level Terran player who has amassed quite a following.
Team Liquid. Team Liquid is the biggest Starcraft related fan site out on the Internet today. They follow everything Starcraft related including the pro scene. Many great articles, forums, and information can be found here. A must bookmark for any Starcraft fan.
Starcraft II Liquipedia. Team Liquid has created a wikipedia site for everything SC2 related. This will be updated as time goes on and all information found here should be legit as possible.
Team Liquid Tournament Tracker. Want to play in some SC2 tournaments? Bookmark this link to see what's running now and upcoming in the future.
GOM TV.net. The only officially Blizzard backed tournament spot in Korea. Has a dedicated pair of English casters in the form of Artosis and Nick "Tastless" Plott, Day[9]'s older brother. Great high-end play to be found here. No really, watch this if you've never seen how insane the Korean's take to SC2.
Zerg help with pro player Eg.Machine. Here are three videos featuring opening builds and other great information when playing as Zerg. Each video is an hour long and will help you go a long way at improving your Zerg gameplay. Help with ZvP here, ZvT here, and ZvZ here.
Common timings and when they hit. Exactly what it sounds like.
OK that's all cool, but I want to play with some PA people. Easy, follow these 5 simple steps.
1) Start by joining the master PA friend list. DO THIS FIRST. It also doesn't hurt to add your battle.net ID into your signature. If you can't do either of these, then we don't want to be your friend.
2) Bookmark the PA SC2 master list. This will help you find other players without begging in thread for other players to play against. It will also help you find other players to help practice with that are in your skill range. If you use the "view" -> "list view" options found at the top, you can reorganize the list to help you find what you need. On the list view page, you can click on the pull down tabs to look at just players of a certain race or rank. Whatever you want. Use this resource!
3) Sign up to gamereplays.org. This is a site where you can upload your replays. The perfect way to share your replays with the thread and get advice on how to get better. The site also gives you an awesome image when you link it to the forum making it stand out more.
4) Log into Battle.net and join channel PA.
5) The PA SC2 1v1 Ranking site. Sign up for this awesome site to see where you stand in the standings amongst fellow PA members. Remember, this is important in the nurturing and expanding of your e-peen. Add yourself by clicking on [Manage Characters] on the top right side.
2) Bookmark the PA SC2 master list. This will help you find other players without begging in thread for other players to play against. It will also help you find other players to help practice with that are in your skill range. If you use the "view" -> "list view" options found at the top, you can reorganize the list to help you find what you need. On the list view page, you can click on the pull down tabs to look at just players of a certain race or rank. Whatever you want. Use this resource!
3) Sign up to gamereplays.org. This is a site where you can upload your replays. The perfect way to share your replays with the thread and get advice on how to get better. The site also gives you an awesome image when you link it to the forum making it stand out more.
4) Log into Battle.net and join channel PA.
5) The PA SC2 1v1 Ranking site. Sign up for this awesome site to see where you stand in the standings amongst fellow PA members. Remember, this is important in the nurturing and expanding of your e-peen. Add yourself by clicking on [Manage Characters] on the top right side.
A list of other PA related SC2 stuff.
Help guides for new players painstakingly created by fellow forum goers. Please read these first before asking questions.
Livestream for our friend Exoplasm. Good quality. Watch it.
Livestream for our friend Trus. Beware of loud music.
Livestream for our friend Ash. Broadcasting the SC2 Arcadia tournaments.
Livestream for our friend Seguer. Broadcasting the PA SC2 tournaments, usually Curvy Star League (CSL). Beware of Anime/JPOP/KPOP music!
PA SC2 Steam Group. A great place to meet up with other PA forum people and set up games, talk strats, or just bullshit around. This is the most common place for us all to meet before big tournaments and stuff. Very useful!
Livestream for our friend Exoplasm. Good quality. Watch it.
Livestream for our friend Trus. Beware of loud music.
Livestream for our friend Ash. Broadcasting the SC2 Arcadia tournaments.
Livestream for our friend Seguer. Broadcasting the PA SC2 tournaments, usually Curvy Star League (CSL). Beware of Anime/JPOP/KPOP music!
PA SC2 Steam Group. A great place to meet up with other PA forum people and set up games, talk strats, or just bullshit around. This is the most common place for us all to meet before big tournaments and stuff. Very useful!
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B.net: Kusanku
jk ^_^
In the last thread, I got over my fear of ladder and went on a 4 game winning streak because of it!
THE WONDERS OF TRAINING ARE PAYING OFF!
Read it again.
I don't think that's what he's saying in the slightest.
5 seconds, finding one where I carpet bomb some protoss.
Found on his twitter.
Yeah Kedinik I think you're misinterpreting his statements. Catz even flat out says he's not saying the Koreans should be excluded, simply that we need our own stars, and our own scene, rather than having a pale shadow of the Korean scene, and for all true success to require going to Korea.
Much like what the GSL has? Where you have to be IN Korea in order to compete in it? None of this online playoffs stuff.
The end is nigh.
First I ladder, then foreigners stomp Koreans in GSL, now Dhal made a thread
We live in a brave new world
I need you as a practice partner sometime this week
edit: fixing up the bad midnight english.
So that the NASL is, you know, about having the NA as its focus?
Much like the GSL is for Korea?
I don't really see any problem with that, since it doesn't stop Koreans from going over there and competing.
Yeah actually the stuff that you quoted explicitly argues for the intentional exclusion of Koreans from western events.
"Now I'm not arguing for the exclusion of Koreans, but... ...we need to create some sort of separation..."
It's the exact same verbal trick used to slip some racism/sexism/etc into a conversation while pretending you're not culpable for the statement.
"Now I'm not racist, but [something reasonable], [something a little racist], [something reasonable]."
Or in this case.
"Now I'm not arguing for the exclusion of Koreans, but honestly [we need to improve as players], [we need to exclude Koreans], [we need to work hard to improve]."
i can play now if you're free
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I suppose I'm more willing to give him the benifit of the doubt than you are.
Jeez you say this but aren't on for me to have a few games with if Cue can't.
I think you're jumping to conclusions about exactly what he means.
In paticular that last bit. I can't see where you get that idea from in the very slightest.
I don't know where you got the last two from his post but I guarantee you thats not what he meant.
And I don't think the separation in his post means what you think it does. All it means is that he doesn't want the only goal for NA progamers to be Korea. He wants the stars like HuK and Jinro to have incentives to stay here and be stars here for the amateurs to look up to. Stars competing in local tournaments (or at least NA tournaments), who the NA players can aspire to practise to become.
edit: those incentives being a strong tournament, not bribe-like incentives.
But I'll stop beating this horse to death.
2) "Need to create an enviroment where people aren't looking to move to korea" does not mean "protected environment" so I don't know where the hell you got that from
Basically Kedinik, you're reading into this in a way that doesn't exist. Catz is a huge douche, but he's absolutely right.
North America needs a GSL of its own, to provide a counterpart to the Korean scene, encouraging amateur players to step up even with no intentions of going to Korea, to encourage the grassroots movement here, and provide an environment where we can get the same sort of setup (team houses, etc) going in NA as Korea has. It will be a lot harder in NA due to geographical locations, but not impossible.
Like a grand clash of titans
Yes
Says there should be a separation of the two scenes.
And states that separating out Koreans and providing incentives to westerners is the only way to grow an environment where western gamers can exceed Korean gamers.
That's literally the definition of protectionism; you'll have to pardon me the liberty of applying an absurdly appropriate adjective.
Dude worked very hard to create a reasonable sounding argument, where at its core he's appealing to xenophobia and economic illiteracy for the sake of making his own career easier.
Be warned, be knowledgeable, Be safe
lol
I was wondering who the hell this was
FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius
Zerg OP, Terran OP, Protoss nerfed and now losing everything, especially when they try to 6gate or go for colossus.
CHANGE YOUR NAME TO MOUNTAIN!