Also, the American Film industry has this habit of... ignoring anything vaguely unfamiliar to the hetero-normative Judeo-Christian middle America psyche. The whole point of the story is that all these Gods and myths don't thrive in American culture and have bugger all profile. I'm somewhat afraid of what compromises the movie will make in a studios search to make the movie more appealing to White middle America. A film that challenges the audience's knowledge of non-Christian religion and has at its center a story that will be denounced by the religious conservatives of the midwest as heresy? You couldn't pitch a worse concept to the the film industry at the moment.
Also, Neverwhere: yes.
Oh hey
what's that huge summer blockbuster coming out in less than a month
(Yes I know they are different but the point stands)
I really doubt that American Gods would be censored very much at all
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When I was a child, before I'd read any of the books, I watched the animated Soul Music and Wyrd Sisters repeatedly, 'cause my parents love Discworld too.
It is something of a tradition to buy my dad whatever new Pratchett book has come out that year for Christmas.
I almost always end up buying my own copy, because fuck waiting until sometime after Christmas (when he finishes reading it) to get a chance at borrowing it.
It's a good system.
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I'd rather see a Neverwhere movie. American Gods was pretty neat but it just didn't spark the same love in me as it has for others. I enjoyed Neverwhere a lot more.
th-there was a Neverwhere tv series?
six half hour episodes
I'd rather see a Neverwhere movie. American Gods was pretty neat but it just didn't spark the same love in me as it has for others. I enjoyed Neverwhere a lot more.
th-there was a Neverwhere tv series?
six half hour episodes
It was written as a TV series.
The book came later.
Also I tried reading The Colour of Magic once and got bored, and I've never picked up a Pratchett novel since. I should give it another go some time.
No one will begrudge you for not feeling CoM though. Those first two are surprisingly weak in comparison to his later works, he hadn't quite found his feet yet
All the books have recurring characters, from my experience you should definitely read the Death books in order at the very least (Mort, Reaper Man, Soul Music, The Hogfather, The Thief of Time).
I only recently read Guards! Guards! for the first time (on the advice of people here, actually). Gonna keep going down that line of books, I think.
Ideally, you just read all the books in the order of publication. But Guards Guards is a brilliant start and if you are strapped for time/cash, sticking with the Watch series is the business.
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Hogfather is probably my favorite Death book, maybe even Discworld book, if only because of this exchange at the end.
"All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying that humans need ... fantasies to make life bearable."
REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little ---"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT BELIEVING THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET --- Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME... RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point ---"
MY POINT EXACTLY.
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All the books have recurring characters, from my experience you should definitely read the Death books in order at the very least (Mort, Reaper Man, Soul Music, The Hogfather, The Thief of Time).
Okay. Death is basically the only character I know anything about so I guess that's a place to start.
I'd rather see a Neverwhere movie. American Gods was pretty neat but it just didn't spark the same love in me as it has for others. I enjoyed Neverwhere a lot more.
th-there was a Neverwhere tv series?
six half hour episodes
Hogfather is probably my favorite Death book, maybe even Discworld book, if only because of this exchange at the end.
"All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying that humans need ... fantasies to make life bearable."
REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little ---"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT BELIEVING THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET --- Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME... RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point ---"
MY POINT EXACTLY.
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Personally I prefer Reaper Man to all the other Death books, but I agree that exchange you spoilered is good stuff. The metaphors aside, him being so grievously offended by the combine harvester was funny as hell
Speaking of Death... did he show up in Night Watch? I know it's customary for him to at least cameo in every Discworld book, but bugger all if I can remember if/where his Night Watch appearance was
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Hogfather is probably my favorite Death book, maybe even Discworld book, if only because of this exchange at the end.
"All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying that humans need ... fantasies to make life bearable."
REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little ---"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT BELIEVING THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET --- Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME... RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point ---"
MY POINT EXACTLY.
love terry pratchett so much wish he was my grandpa
Personally I prefer Reaper Man to all the other Death books, but I agree that exchange you spoilered is good stuff. The metaphors aside, him being so grievously offended by the combine harvester was funny as hell
Speaking of Death... did he show up in Night Watch? I know it's customary for him to at least cameo in every Discworld book, but bugger all if I can remember if/where his Night Watch appearance was
Hogfather is probably my favorite Death book, maybe even Discworld book, if only because of this exchange at the end.
"All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying that humans need ... fantasies to make life bearable."
REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little ---"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT BELIEVING THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET --- Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME... RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point ---"
MY POINT EXACTLY.
love terry pratchett so much wish he was my grandpa
Personally I prefer Reaper Man to all the other Death books, but I agree that exchange you spoilered is good stuff. The metaphors aside, him being so grievously offended by the combine harvester was funny as hell
Speaking of Death... did he show up in Night Watch? I know it's customary for him to at least cameo in every Discworld book, but bugger all if I can remember if/where his Night Watch appearance was
(ed) I just remembered Vimes ALSO saw Death in The Fifth Elephant, wherein they tried to have a discussion regarding the Trousers of Time whilst racing down rapids to a waterfall
Speaking of Death, I laugh every time he makes reference to Rincewind's hourglass basically being a fucking klein bottle or something
I think I need to read Interesting Times again
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edited April 2011
You know what I miss? Josh Kirby cover art.
The first 20-odd novels leapt from the shelves when you saw them, and were instantly recognisable. The massive packing and squeezing of all those shapes from the story onto the cover. What it must have been like to read the book and try and work all those crazy ideas of Pratchett's into such a small space, to visualise trolls and witches and Tortoises driving Eagles by their testicles. And to pick up a book for the first time and wonder what it is that all this imagary means, then read the book and look on the cover after finishing and think "Ooooooooooh".
I mean, the art itself is wonderful. But there's so much detail there you don't even realise. It's a damn shame that the covers since then have been... well, not a feature of the experience I used to enjoy.
(ed) I just remembered Vimes ALSO saw Death in The Fifth Elephant, wherein they tried to have a discussion regarding the Trousers of Time whilst racing down rapids to a waterfall
Speaking of Death, I laugh every time he makes reference to Rincewind's hourglass basically being a fucking klein bottle or something
I think I need to read Interesting Times again
death hates rincewind so much
he hates him because fate and the lady muck about in death's business all the time and that bothers him to no end
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Hate's kind of strong.
He's annoyed by how unpunctual he is.
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he actively despises him because the gods tend to annoy him
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The first 20-odd novels leapt from the shelves when you saw them, and were instantly recognisable. The massive packing and squeezing of all those shapes from the story onto the cover. What it must have been like to read the book and try and work all those crazy ideas of Pratchett's into such a small space, to visualise trolls and witches and Tortoises driving Eagles by their testicles. And to pick up a book for the first time and wonder what it is that all this imagary means, then read the book and look on the cover after finishing and think "Ooooooooooh".
I mean, the art itself is wonderful. But there's so much detail there you don't even realise. It's a damn shame that the covers since then have been... well, not a feature of the experience I used to enjoy.
Those covers were great.
Eh
Instantly recognisable, yes, but it always felt to me like Josh had read a basic script outline and gone crazy from there
he actively despises him because the gods tend to annoy him
That only maybe holds true for Death in the first two books, maybe, and his personality in those is rather different from that in his appearances in the rest of the series.
At the most, Death is annoyed with Rincewind's lack of punctuality, but he doesn't actively despise him or anything of the sort. It's far too strong an emotion for Death to exhibit, for starters. Rincewind is a minor inconvenience at worst and a curiosity at best. Nothing he does warrants the effort Death has to put into a big emotional response.
Yeah, in the later Rincewind books whenever Death meets him he's just sort of curious or apathetic. There is no active dislike. Death doesn't even hate the Auditors, just finds them a bother. Susan holds all the hate in that family.
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Yeah, in the later Rincewind books whenever Death meets him he's just sort of curious or apathetic. There is no active dislike. Death doesn't even hate the Auditors, just finds them a bother. Susan holds all the hate in that family.
Man I though I knew what was up in Discworld, I've read like 12 books, but the last I saw of Rincewind
He died saving everyone from the Sorceror. Though now that I look at it that was like the 5th book so hmmm..I got caught up in witches and policemen and stamps
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what's that huge summer blockbuster coming out in less than a month
(Yes I know they are different but the point stands)
I really doubt that American Gods would be censored very much at all
It is something of a tradition to buy my dad whatever new Pratchett book has come out that year for Christmas.
I almost always end up buying my own copy, because fuck waiting until sometime after Christmas (when he finishes reading it) to get a chance at borrowing it.
It's a good system.
th-there was a Neverwhere tv series?
six half hour episodes
It was written as a TV series.
The book came later.
Also I tried reading The Colour of Magic once and got bored, and I've never picked up a Pratchett novel since. I should give it another go some time.
No one will begrudge you for not feeling CoM though. Those first two are surprisingly weak in comparison to his later works, he hadn't quite found his feet yet
Start with Mort.
What spring does with the cherry trees.
I only recently read Guards! Guards! for the first time (on the advice of people here, actually). Gonna keep going down that line of books, I think.
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Is there any benefit to reading them in order? I mean, do you understand the world better or pick up on some more references or anything?
and I have gotten so many old editions of discworld books there for like, 25 cents each.
Ideally, you just read all the books in the order of publication. But Guards Guards is a brilliant start and if you are strapped for time/cash, sticking with the Watch series is the business.
REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little ---"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT BELIEVING THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET --- Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME... RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point ---"
MY POINT EXACTLY.
love terry pratchett so much wish he was my grandpa
Okay. Death is basically the only character I know anything about so I guess that's a place to start.
fully aware, good sir
just thought a movie'd be superfluous
Personally I prefer Reaper Man to all the other Death books, but I agree that exchange you spoilered is good stuff. The metaphors aside, him being so grievously offended by the combine harvester was funny as hell
Speaking of Death... did he show up in Night Watch? I know it's customary for him to at least cameo in every Discworld book, but bugger all if I can remember if/where his Night Watch appearance was
i support hugh laurie as vimes
Shows up in the torture chamber.
Vimes almost sees him.
Also, the Patrician reaches the end of cake.
Why I fear the ocean.
what a great line
Ahaha how did I forget about the cake
FOR YOU, THERE IS NO MORE CAKE
I've got Thud! and Mort waiting next, and now I've heard interesting things about both.
Someone needs to decide for me which one I read next.
(ed) I just remembered Vimes ALSO saw Death in The Fifth Elephant, wherein they tried to have a discussion regarding the Trousers of Time whilst racing down rapids to a waterfall
Speaking of Death, I laugh every time he makes reference to Rincewind's hourglass basically being a fucking klein bottle or something
I think I need to read Interesting Times again
The first 20-odd novels leapt from the shelves when you saw them, and were instantly recognisable. The massive packing and squeezing of all those shapes from the story onto the cover. What it must have been like to read the book and try and work all those crazy ideas of Pratchett's into such a small space, to visualise trolls and witches and Tortoises driving Eagles by their testicles. And to pick up a book for the first time and wonder what it is that all this imagary means, then read the book and look on the cover after finishing and think "Ooooooooooh".
I mean, the art itself is wonderful. But there's so much detail there you don't even realise. It's a damn shame that the covers since then have been... well, not a feature of the experience I used to enjoy.
Those covers were great.
death hates rincewind so much
he hates him because fate and the lady muck about in death's business all the time and that bothers him to no end
He's annoyed by how unpunctual he is.
What spring does with the cherry trees.
he actively despises him because the gods tend to annoy him
Kirby's stuff seems very muddled
Eh
Instantly recognisable, yes, but it always felt to me like Josh had read a basic script outline and gone crazy from there
I far prefer Paul's more subdued artstyle
That only maybe holds true for Death in the first two books, maybe, and his personality in those is rather different from that in his appearances in the rest of the series.
At the most, Death is annoyed with Rincewind's lack of punctuality, but he doesn't actively despise him or anything of the sort. It's far too strong an emotion for Death to exhibit, for starters. Rincewind is a minor inconvenience at worst and a curiosity at best. Nothing he does warrants the effort Death has to put into a big emotional response.
I seem to remember that for some strange reason
Not all.
It's just incredibly rare to see it.
It's...
potent.
Why I fear the ocean.