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[Wisconsin] Fake Democratic primary contenders ahoy!

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  • Fallout2manFallout2man Registered User regular
    So we have to recall him in a year. Fantastic.

    The Republican reaction is going to fall somewhere along "why the hell did you stop at strangling that liberal bitch?", so if anything that's going to increase his approval with Walker et al

    This really is starting to sound like a cliched movie plot. Tell me this was going to happen back in January I'd laugh at you. Not only is Prosser's election marked by the specter of fraud, but he apparently has a mean political bent that a judge should NOT have and he used it immediately to support an obvious partisan political goal. Not only that but he's apparently a violent loudmouth?

    I'm starting to wonder if this really won't devolve into a Private Security matter if it looks like the recall elections are going to go through; I'm losing hope fast that the state Republican party won't just make up some BS reason to invalidate the elections, and that won't leave many people happy.

    On Ignorance:
    Kana wrote:
    If the best you can come up with against someone who's patently ignorant is to yell back at him, "Yeah? Well there's BOOKS, and they say you're WRONG!"

    Then honestly you're not coming out of this looking great either.
  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    "In the context of this, I said, 'You are a total bitch," Prosser said. "I probably overreacted, but I think it was entirely . . . warranted. They (Abrahamson and Bradley) are masters at deliberately goading people into perhaps incautious statements. This is bullying and abuse of very, very long standing."

    What the shit.

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  • Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    emp123 wrote: »
    "In the context of this, I said, 'You are a total bitch," Prosser said. "I probably overreacted, but I think it was entirely . . . warranted. They (Abrahamson and Bradley) are masters at deliberately goading people into perhaps incautious statements. This is bullying and abuse of very, very long standing."

    What the shit.

    If I can not control my temper it is everyone else's fault. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT. YOU MAKE ME SO ANGRY I WANT TO....

    He's a superhumanly strong soccer-playing romance novelist possessed of the uncanny powers of an insect. She's a beautiful African-American doctor with her own daytime radio talk show. They fight crime!
  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    emp123 wrote: »
    "In the context of this, I said, 'You are a total bitch," Prosser said. "I probably overreacted, but I think it was entirely . . . warranted. They (Abrahamson and Bradley) are masters at deliberately goading people into perhaps incautious statements. This is bullying and abuse of very, very long standing."

    What the shit.

    If I can not control my temper it is everyone else's fault. WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT. YOU MAKE ME SO ANGRY I WANT TO....

    I also like how is overreaction was totally warranted. If your reaction is totally warranted, it cant be an overreaction.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    At the time of Prosser's outburst to Abrahamson, Bradley said she considered going to law enforcement.

    It “crossed my mind but I didn’t want to do it,” she said.

    “This…for me at least in part is about the institution,” she added. “This behavior shouldn’t be occurring at the workplace.”

    An hour and a half before sending her Feb. 18, 2010 email to all the justices, Bradley sent an email to Abrahamson and Justice N. Patrick Crooks expressing her frustration with Prosser’s outbursts.

    “As you both know, I am no longer willing to tolerate Prosser’s abusive behavior,” Bradley wrote. “I have been at a loss just how to proceed.”

    She... sounds like a battered wife. Seriously. The minority of the court must've been hiding in dark rooms during the recount hoping that the bad man would be taken away by circumstance and not be able to hurt them any more.

    When I lived in a bad neighborhood, a guy buzzed into my apartment. I was half asleep and thought he was my neighbor, so I let him in. He proceeded to bust down his girlfriend's door and start terrorizing her, her children, and her mom. I got mixed up in the situation because it was my fault he got into the building, and ended up getting punched in the mouth for my sins.

    The prosecutor was overjoyed that I was willing to press charges, and I was like, "why wouldn't I? Fuck him, fucker punched me and terrorized women & children." Prosecutor said that this guy had been skating for years after beating his girlfriends (he had like four at once), because nobody ever acted as a witness and pressed charges.

    Day came for this fuckface's court date. I was going up the escalator in the courthouse. He was going down the escalator. He saw me, and simply fled. If I hadn't shown up, he would've ridden out the charge to no ill effect. Because I stood up to him, he fled rather than face the music.

    You're at a loss as to how to proceed, Your Honor? Sue his ass. Bring him to court. Make him justify responding to aspersions against his suspect judicial integrity with violence.

    Fucking A.

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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    If I worked anywhere within earshot of Prosser I'd take every opportunity to goad him into losing his temper

    Then again I'm not a woman so I'm not sure if he'd take the bait

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    The republicans just shamed Weiner into resigne for flirting with women on twitter.

    Democrats need to come down hard on the hypocrisy.

  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Registered User regular
    I stand by my statement that his wife said he had to resign.

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  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    Another article on that same site is saying the opposite.

    It says one source said he choked her, and the other source said she attacked him.
    "She charged him with fists raised," the source said.

    Prosser "put his hands in a defensive posture," the source said. "He blocked her."

    In doing so, the source said, he made contact with Bradley's neck.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    Clevinger wrote: »
    Another article on that same site is saying the opposite.

    It says one source said he choked her, and the other source said she attacked him.
    "She charged him with fists raised," the source said.

    Prosser "put his hands in a defensive posture," the source said. "He blocked her."

    In doing so, the source said, he made contact with Bradley's neck.

    I have a hard time picturing an elderly woman charging an elderly man to engage in fisticuffs.

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  • hippofanthippofant Registered User regular
    I'm sure this isn't a "the bitch started it" smear campaign at all.

  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    If you're trying to stop someone from punching you, doesn't it make more sense to grab their wrists, and not their neck? Especially since choking them will probably cause them to punch you more.

    Leaving the room is another option.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    If you're trying to stop someone from punching you, doesn't it make more sense to grab their wrists, and not their neck? Especially since choking them will probably cause them to punch you more.

    Leaving the room is another option.

    Yeah, unless you are exerting incredible pressure on either the carotid artery (to cut off the flow of blood to the brain; this is refered to as a sleeper hold in pro wrestling or a blood choke in Martial arts) or the windpipe the person is going to keep smashing you in the face (with their hands that you can't block) or alternately lash out with a knee to the mid section (again, which you can't block).

    A choke hold is really only effective when applied from behind, since it prevents effective striking against you and forces the victim to exert considerably more energy to dislodge you.

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  • Void SlayerVoid Slayer Very Suspicious Registered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    If you're trying to stop someone from punching you, doesn't it make more sense to grab their wrists, and not their neck? Especially since choking them will probably cause them to punch you more.

    Leaving the room is another option.

    Yeah, unless you are exerting incredible pressure on either the carotid artery (to cut off the flow of blood to the brain; this is refered to as a sleeper hold in pro wrestling or a blood choke in Martial arts) or the windpipe the person is going to keep smashing you in the face (with their hands that you can't block) or alternately lash out with a knee to the mid section (again, which you can't block).

    A choke hold is really only effective when applied from behind, since it prevents effective striking against you and forces the victim to exert considerably more energy to dislodge you.

    It is also less likely to cause lasting injury. By crushing the wind pipe with the fingers and thumb you are likely to puncture or rupture it. Instead most non-lethal ones compress it with the wrist/forearm. Basically do not choke people unless you have been trained. Better yet, do not choke people.

    He's a superhumanly strong soccer-playing romance novelist possessed of the uncanny powers of an insect. She's a beautiful African-American doctor with her own daytime radio talk show. They fight crime!
  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Clevinger wrote: »
    Another article on that same site is saying the opposite.

    It says one source said he choked her, and the other source said she attacked him.
    "She charged him with fists raised," the source said.

    Prosser "put his hands in a defensive posture," the source said. "He blocked her."

    In doing so, the source said, he made contact with Bradley's neck.

    I have a hard time picturing an elderly woman charging an elderly man to engage in fisticuffs.

    Yeahhh. The liklihood of an older liberal female judge (previously a high school teacher) starting fisticuffs with a male fellow judge known for his temper seems... small.

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    Gary Gygax wrote:
    ''The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules.''
  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    What does charging with her fists even mean?

    Is she now a manga character or something?

    Did she let out a war cry as she was running?

    I can't even picture this in my head. Throwing a punch requires a very specific set of movements in order to get any real force from it.

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    What does charging with her fists even mean?

    Is she now a manga character or something?

    Did she let out a war cry as she was running?

    I can't even picture this in my head. Throwing a punch requires a very specific set of movements in order to get any real force from it.

    I think her battle-aura had activated, so Prosser could feel her spiritual pressure. He only acted according to the laws of one-on-one dueling describe. I mean, there was fire coming from her fists. It actually took a lot of willpower to use his Silence The Unruly Children choke attack, as opposed to his well-known Crush The Rebellious Soul Kick. That attack is unstoppable and eliminates 80% of the enemy's kung fu.

    Gary Gygax wrote:
    ''The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules.''
  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    What does charging with her fists even mean?

    Is she now a manga character or something?

    Did she let out a war cry as she was running?

    I can't even picture this in my head. Throwing a punch requires a very specific set of movements in order to get any real force from it.

    The only thing that makes sense is that she was attempting to clothesline him, but I have an even harder time picturing a 61 year old woman charging a 69 year old man with her arm partially hooked while wearing a judges robe then I do her taking a swing at him.

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  • BagginsesBagginses __BANNED USERS regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    Clevinger wrote: »
    Another article on that same site is saying the opposite.

    It says one source said he choked her, and the other source said she attacked him.
    "She charged him with fists raised," the source said.

    Prosser "put his hands in a defensive posture," the source said. "He blocked her."

    In doing so, the source said, he made contact with Bradley's neck.

    I have a hard time picturing an elderly woman charging an elderly man to engage in fisticuffs.

    Yeahhh. The liklihood of an older liberal female judge (previously a high school teacher) starting fisticuffs with a male fellow judge known for his temper seems... small.

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    I love the fact that he looks like he just finished backhanding someone just off camera.

  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
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    Jesus, when they said "draping it over them" I thought they meant like, they put it over their heads.

    I didn't think they took them down the ground or anything.

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Registered User regular
    Again, that's not the picture of the incident in question.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    If you're trying to stop someone from punching you, doesn't it make more sense to grab their wrists, and not their neck? Especially since choking them will probably cause them to punch you more.

    Leaving the room is another option.

    If they are moving toward you and you throw up your hands straight out it doesn't seem all that crazy that your hand might touch their neck.

    I don't think you can draw conclusions about what happened based on a sentence or three.

    Being walkers with the dawn and morning,
    Walkers with the sun and morning, we are not afraid of night,
    Nor days of gloom, nor darkness -
    Being walkers with the sun and morning.
  • TheHopelessGamerTheHopelessGamer Registered User regular
    God, my parents were giving me a ride home from the Brewers game last night and this little tidbit popped up on the radio with not much information at all - just that Prosser choked her and police were looking into it.

    I dreaded how my parents, who are obnoxiously neo-conservative, would react. My dad "This is just ridiculous. Those liberals on the court..." and then my mom turned the radio real quick knowing that I am a state worker and hardcore progressive. Granted, I wanted to/needed to know more about the situation because it all sounds so hard to believe, but I didn't just jump to the conclusion that the story was 100% true like he assumed it was 100% a lie.

    TL;DR - trapped in the car with neo-con parents, my dad proves that he blindly trusts whatever conservatives say because they're conservatives DUH.

  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    I hear you man. My dad is visiting from AZ and we just had a long talk during which he alternated dizzyingly between railing against government regulation and complaining that there wasn't enough regulation of things that bother him.

    Being walkers with the dawn and morning,
    Walkers with the sun and morning, we are not afraid of night,
    Nor days of gloom, nor darkness -
    Being walkers with the sun and morning.
  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    Speaker wrote: »
    If you're trying to stop someone from punching you, doesn't it make more sense to grab their wrists, and not their neck? Especially since choking them will probably cause them to punch you more.

    Leaving the room is another option.

    If they are moving toward you and you throw up your hands straight out it doesn't seem all that crazy that your hand might touch their neck.

    I don't think you can draw conclusions about what happened based on a sentence or three.

    So... Bradley charged at Prosser's defenseless hands using her neck as a weapon.

  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    Speaker wrote: »
    If you're trying to stop someone from punching you, doesn't it make more sense to grab their wrists, and not their neck? Especially since choking them will probably cause them to punch you more.

    Leaving the room is another option.

    If they are moving toward you and you throw up your hands straight out it doesn't seem all that crazy that your hand might touch their neck.

    I don't think you can draw conclusions about what happened based on a sentence or three.

    So... Bradley charged at Prosser's defenseless hands using her neck as a weapon.

    No, but if she didn't grapple with his outstretched hands because he brought them up suddenly or was concentrating on hitting him then it isn't like his hand hitting her neck requires some kind of JFK/magic bullet surrealism.

    I'm not saying this or that happened, I'm just saying that you can't judge what happened based on those one or two sentences.

    Being walkers with the dawn and morning,
    Walkers with the sun and morning, we are not afraid of night,
    Nor days of gloom, nor darkness -
    Being walkers with the sun and morning.
  • TheHopelessGamerTheHopelessGamer Registered User regular
    Speaker wrote: »
    I hear you man. My dad is visiting from AZ and we just had a long talk during which he alternated dizzyingly between railing against government regulation and complaining that there wasn't enough regulation of things that bother him.

    I feel like the neo-cons are sketching some kind of gigantic arcane glyph with which to summon the ENDER OR ALL REGULATION AND RIGHTS with Arizona, Wisconsin, and Maine all following similar patterns. Watch out, what? Florida and Lousiana? That'd be some king of huge pentagram at least. It's like we get it the worst being between the other two and now I'm worried we're going to have some kind of for-profit prison rights start seeping through the legislature. It's seriously creepy how all these agendas are lining up across states all at the same time.

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    It's seriously creepy how all these agendas are lining up across states all at the same time.

    It's not so much that it's creepy for being all at the same time (it's creepy for entirely other reasons), it's that there was a fairly normal non-presidential election year swing to the opposition party coupled with massive insecurity on the part of the Republicans (they're starting to see the writing on the wall that their days as race-baiting, abortion-hindering, gay-bashing corporatists are numbered due to changing demographics and a more informed populace, so they're trying to milk what could be their last victory for all they can by stacking the deck in their favor for future elections and making off with as many public funds that they can). My guess is that a Republican think tank came up with these measures, and they got sent out to the Republican Governor's Association.

    The states where these things are happening are largely purple to blue states that aren't already a total Republican lock. They have to get all this done before the pendulum swings again. The reason you're not seeing this in, say, Wyoming, is that Republicans already rule there comfortably.

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  • EliteBattlemanEliteBattleman Registered User
    Being that I live in Wisconsin, I find it rather odd that I hear about this shit from Wil Wheaton's twitter account:

    Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

    This shit is seriously fucked.

    This is my sig.
    There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    Well there's my job being cancelled in black ink. If you'll excuse me I'm going to take my last $5 and buy a bullet and rent a gun.

    Gimme a few hours with some vodka to decide who the bullet is for

    Edit: This is hyperbole, I feel it necessary to point that out since it's the internet. The campus I work on is doing fine so even with the cuts probably won't be in jeopardy (although my job is almost certainly not going to exist come september), unless congress destroys the pell grant BUT THAT WONT HAPPEN

  • Pi-r8Pi-r8 Registered User regular
    Wow. According to http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Wisconsin_state_budget the total state education budget was only 6.4 billion. He just cut more than 1/4 of the education budget.

  • GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    I need another explanation from a conservative about how cutting over a quarter of the educational funding and giving away hundreads of millions in tax cuts to corporate interests is in anyway fiscally responsible.

    Deacon? Kevinnash? Thenomadcircle? anyone?

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  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    Lets not forget $450 million or so to out of state banks with incentives if they reinvest it in wisconsin.

    You know, since that's clearly more efficient than directly investing that money in wisconsin

  • BagginsesBagginses __BANNED USERS regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    I need another explanation from a conservative about how cutting over a quarter of the educational funding and giving away hundreads of millions in tax cuts to corporate interests is in anyway fiscally responsible.

    Deacon? Kevinnash? Thenomadcircle? anyone?

    If the kids don't graduate high school, then we won't have to fund public colleges anymore!

  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    Being that I live in Wisconsin, I find it rather odd that I hear about this shit from Wil Wheaton's twitter account:

    Wis. Gov. signs budget cutting education $1.85B

    This shit is seriously fucked.

    Our supermajority Republican legislature here in NH just cut the state university system's budget from $100 million to $50 million.

    Too bad my loans were already locked in when they jumped the tuition up to fill the hole.

    Being walkers with the dawn and morning,
    Walkers with the sun and morning, we are not afraid of night,
    Nor days of gloom, nor darkness -
    Being walkers with the sun and morning.
  • Brian KrakowBrian Krakow Registered User regular
    Gaddez wrote: »
    I need another explanation from a conservative about how cutting over a quarter of the educational funding and giving away hundreads of millions in tax cuts to corporate interests is in anyway fiscally responsible.

    Deacon? Kevinnash? Thenomadcircle? anyone?
    The definition of "fiscally responsible" is fucking over the poor and middle class.

  • override367override367 Registered User regular
    Depending on tuition hikes I might just finish my education in another state. If Walker doesn't get recalled I'm done with this state, I'm honestly sickened by this

    Unless he's planning on instituting child labor and slavery we're not bringing industry back

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Children are our future so we must fuck them over while they are young so they can enjoy all the bounties of those tax cuts.

  • Pi-r8Pi-r8 Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Children are our future so we must fuck them over while they are young so they can enjoy all the bounties of those tax cuts.

    We need to nip them in the bud, before they grow up and get educated and start voting for more irresponsible government spending.

  • WaffenWaffen Shadowfax, Lord of Horses Middle EarthRegistered User regular
    I find it comical that the government claims that its trying to make college education widely available to everyone, but at every turn it slashes education funds further making it exclusive to the upper middle class. Its becoming amusing that these days if your middle class or lower the only way you can actually go to college is via scholarship from sports, parents made good investments for you while you were growing up, made tremendous sacrifices for you to go, or you joined the Military.

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