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Considering a PSP

captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
edited April 2011 in Games and Technology
Between the 3000 and the PSP Go, the clear winner seems to be the 3000, to me. Cheaper, bigger screen, UMD drive. Anything I am missing about the Go?

Games? I'm a big RPG fan, which is the main reason I want to get one. I want to play the new Dissidia game. I have also enjoyed puzzle games on my DS. Any other PSP standouts of any genre?

I'm considering getting FFT:War of the Lions, or Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together. Which is the better game for someone who adored FFTA and FFTA2? I played a little Disgaea and FFT on my PS2, couldn't really get into them, but I think the portability or small screen or something makes me like SRPGs a lot more. I tried to play the GBA Fire Emblem, but permadeath drove the perfectionist in me crazy.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The Go is $50 more expensive and has less capabilities than the 3000. You can download anything to the 3000 that you can to the Go. The Go looks nice, but that's about it.

    Just to warn you, there's a PSP2 (ahem, "NGP") coming out in a few months. There's no word about backwards compatibility.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    For $130 and a large back catalog, I'm not too worried about riding the edge on a PSP2.

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  • CygnusZCygnusZ Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    With the Go you can use the dualshock to play. So, you could hook up the PSP to your TV, blow up the picture and then play it with a dualshock like it was a regular home console. Of course, you could always just hold the PSP like an oversized controller and play it on the TV anyway, the choice is up to you.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Turn-based RPG standouts on the system:
    Trails in the Sky (just came out this week)
    Persona 3 Portable (best version of the game)

    Action/RPG standouts:
    Half-Minute Hero
    Ys 7
    Ys: Oath in Felghana
    Monster Hunter Freedom Unite
    Gods Eater Burst

    Strategy/RPG standouts:
    Tactics Ogre
    Wild Arms XF
    Jeanne D'arc
    FFT
    Arc the Lad 1-3 (especially 2)

    As for PSP Go advantages:
    16 GBs of internal storage
    Blutooth support (can use Blutooth headphones or hookup with PS3 controllers if you're playing PSP games on the TV)
    Has a pause function where you can pause 1 game at any time and then go do other things like listen to music, watch a movie, download new stuff, etc.
    Screen is slightly smaller, but it's also of higher quality than the PSP-3000.

    One thing that's worth considering is that the NGP will be compatible with games you download for the PSP, however it won't be compatible with UMDs. So even if you buy a PSP-3000, you'll probably want to stay away from UMDs except for games that aren't on the PSN or dirt cheap games you don't care a lot about if you plan on upgrading to a NGP in the future. Plus the PSN version usually plays better than the UMD version anyway (shorter load times).

  • maximumzeromaximumzero Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I love my PSP Go because the thing is an actual portable system compared to the PSP-3000. The Go to the 3000 is like comparing an iPhone to a Game Gear, size-wise, as far as I'm concerned.

  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    How does the PSN store work on a PSP-3000? Can't you buy any game digitally or on UMD now? Would a digital game be playable on my TV via PS3 (not that I have one)? Because I hear they have some PS1/PS2 games on there now. I don't have a Wii either, my only current digital experience is Xbox Live and Steam and its PC competitors.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Are there any games worth playing that are ONLY on UMD then? PSP go is sounding a bit better now.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    captaink wrote: »
    Are there any games worth playing that are ONLY on UMD then? PSP go is sounding a bit better now.

    Again: anything you can download for the Go, you can download for the 3000. All you need is a memory stick.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    captaink wrote: »
    How does the PSN store work on a PSP-3000? Can't you buy any game digitally or on UMD now? Would a digital game be playable on my TV via PS3 (not that I have one)? Because I hear they have some PS1/PS2 games on there now. I don't have a Wii either, my only current digital experience is Xbox Live and Steam and its PC competitors.

    PSN store works the same on the PSP Go and the older PSP models. The big difference is that the older PSP models don't have any internal storage so you'll need to buy a Memory Stick Pro Duo to store stuff, whereas the PSP Go starts out with 16GBs (which can be expanded with M2 memory cards).

    Not all games are available both digitally and on UMD, but most good ones are. There are a few standout UMD exclusives though like Lumines, Every Extend, and most of Square-Enix's older games (although Square-Enix has put up a bunch of stuff on the PSN recently, so maybe they'll start going back through their back catalog soon).

    The PS3 can't play PSP games except for some of the PSP Mini titles. However, the later PSP models can be hooked up directly to a TV with the right accessory.

  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Any PSP can download digital games but UMDs are typically a lot cheaper.

    The best PSP is one that has been hacked. I would say more but I don't want another infraction. I personally think the GO is a joke but your mileage may vary.

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  • BullioBullio Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I believe Square Enix doesn't have many or any of their games on PSN, though I could be wrong about that. If you like RPGs, this could be a problem. I think the 3000 is the superior choice, but if you're into the idea of homebrew you might want to consider a 1000 or even a 2000. All 1000's are completely moddable, and all 2000's without a certain motherboard are as moddable as the 1000. 3000's with a firmware version below I believe 5.55 can have a temporary crack, but no 3000 can have custom firmwares installed permanently like the 1000 and some 2000's.

    IIRC, War of the Lions is the original FFT with some new content. I haven't played either, but I'd assume FFT is closer to FFTA than TO. But if you didn't like FFT, then you might as well go with something new and get TO.

    As for puzzle games, N+ (puzzle platformer), Lumines, Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords , and LocoRoco 1 and 2 are all great. Crisis Core hasn't been mentioned yet and is definitely worth a look. The original Dissidia is also excellent as well.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    The new Dissidia includes an enhanced version of the 1st Dissidia so there really isn't any point in buying the 1st one now.

    And the FFT remake on the PSP has some technical problems so some people prefer to play the original version (which is also available on the PSP via the PS1 Classics section of the PSN). The Tactics Ogre remake, on the other hand, is fantastic.

    In the past month or two, Square Enix has put a lot of stuff on the PSN - The Third Birthday, Tactics Ogre, Lord of Arcana, Dissidia 2, a bunch of PS1 classics. I wouldn't be surprised if they started putting their older PSP titles up soon.

  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    So a 3000 would need some size of memory stick to do PSN games, because it doesn't come with any internal memory?

    Looks like 4-8 GB sticks are cheap on Amazon though.

    Edit: And I hadn't heard anything about technical problems on War of the Lions. I heard it had a redone translation and some other minor tweaks and additions.

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  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    captaink wrote: »
    So a 3000 would need some size of memory stick to do PSN games, because it doesn't come with any internal memory?

    Looks like 4-8 GB sticks are cheap on Amazon though.

    Edit: And I hadn't heard anything about technical problems on War of the Lions. I heard it had a redone translation and some other minor tweaks and additions.

    Sony's memory cards are a rip off, they're literally 3 times the price they should be. Get an adaptor (they're like, $3 on ebay) and some SDHC memory.

  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Yeah, they're not too expensive, although you want to be careful about Amazon - a lot of the third party sellers sell knockoff cards that could flake out on you. I'd recommend buying directly from Amazon or another reliable seller.

    And I'd highly recommend getting at least an 8GB card. The biggest PSP games are over 1GB so you'd only be able to have 2-3 of them on a 4GB card (although there are also smaller games).

  • CorporateLogoCorporateLogo Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    There is a lot of slowdown when using any kind of ability in War of the Lions. The various Skeletons' Soul abilities are the most egregious, since the sound effect finishes before the ability hits the target.

    The translation is light years ahead of the PS1 version, though.

  • PMAversPMAvers Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Personally I like my GO a lot more than my old PSP, but that's just because I hate UMD's, and all the games I want are available on PSN. Also the aformentioned portability factors since it's much easier to stick in your pocket to carry with you. The other ones is a bit awkward in that regard.

    Slight bonus advantage I discovered (after my old unit was stolen) in regards to going with PSN games is that if anything happens to your unit, you can always re-download your games. You'll lose your save files, but you won't be up shit creek.

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  • prismeclipserprismeclipser Registered User
    edited March 2011
    Honestly, I loved my psp, but if you're the type of gamer who's rough on stuff, you're going to have to be really gentle with your psp. I've broken 3 of them so far and would gladly get another one if I wasn't waiting to see where the new Monster Hunter is going to land.

    I would get a bigger stick than you think you need because most psp games are around 1G and if you're the type who hates changing things out, you'll appreciate having everything in one spot.

  • JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Honestly depending on your 'era' the PS1 classics RPGs can make it worthwhile all by themselves - I finally bought one so I could play Xenogears again after I lost my disks, and I can already see 6-7 games for between $6-10 that I'll be buying again or trying to finish from the first time. They do play windowed though and that kinda bugs me; they could have at least upscaled without changing the aspect ratio.

    I'm not planning on buying a NGP until about the same point in the lifecycle as I got the PSP (i.e. when it's virtually dead and very cheap) so that wasn't a concern with me.

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    And wait, you can use SD memory in the PSP? Is that like an adaptor for miniSD or something? That would suck, because I've got those sitting around and went out and paid more for a 2GB Memory Stick than the 8 GB miniSD I have just sitting around.

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  • KyouguKyougu Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Another one that loves the Go (though I had no UMD's). It's really a good little system, and like someone mentioned, actually portable.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Yeah, if you're a fan of PS1 era RPGs, the PSP is worth buying for that reason alone.

  • MoioinkMoioink Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    Honestly depending on your 'era' the PS1 classics RPGs can make it worthwhile all by themselves - I finally bought one so I could play Xenogears again after I lost my disks, and I can already see 6-7 games for between $6-10 that I'll be buying again or trying to finish from the first time. They do play windowed though and that kinda bugs me; they could have at least upscaled without changing the aspect ratio.

    I'm not planning on buying a NGP until about the same point in the lifecycle as I got the PSP (i.e. when it's virtually dead and very cheap) so that wasn't a concern with me.

    [Edit]
    And wait, you can use SD memory in the PSP? Is that like an adaptor for miniSD or something? That would suck, because I've got those sitting around and went out and paid more for a 2GB Memory Stick than the 8 GB miniSD I have just sitting around.

    Yeah sorry, you got done by Sony's little racket :(

    For reference look up Photofast pro duo adapter on ebay.

  • SeruleSerule Registered User
    edited March 2011
    JihadJesus wrote: »
    Honestly depending on your 'era' the PS1 classics RPGs can make it worthwhile all by themselves - I finally bought one so I could play Xenogears again after I lost my disks, and I can already see 6-7 games for between $6-10 that I'll be buying again or trying to finish from the first time. They do play windowed though and that kinda bugs me; they could have at least upscaled without changing the aspect ratio.

    There's like five different scaling options for PsOne titles (I don't remember all the names for sure) -
    'Original' where there's no scaling (1:1 pixel mapping) - small, but super crisp.
    'Normal' where it scales to the height of the screen - larger, but a little blurry.
    'Zoom' where it seems to scale to the *width* of the screen - larger still, but it cuts off the top and bottom
    'Full screen' where it fills the entire screen, but is distorted
    'Custom' where you can scale it any way you want (this might be PSPGo only).
    In the past month or two, Square Enix has put a lot of stuff on the PSN - The Third Birthday, Tactics Ogre, Lord of Arcana, Dissidia 2, a bunch of PS1 classics. I wouldn't be surprised if they started putting their older PSP titles up soon.

    They just put up FF1 & FF2 in Euro-land, so I wouldn't be surprised if they show up. Still missing many, many titles though (Crisis Core, Kingdom Hearts, FFTactics, Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile).

  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Rogue Coral Springs, FLRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    There's a few classic gems that aren't on the PSN, and the Go won't have access to the import PSP games either. (Only really matters if you care about DJ MAX, which of course, you should.)

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  • JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    FFTactics is on PSN; not sure if War of the Lions is or not though. And thanks for the tip Serule, I'll have to scan for the scaling options in the settings, I didn't see anything when I looked right after I started the game.

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  • RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    My 2000 has Custom zooming for PS1 games too. It's pretty much required to use Custom if you want to get the image to the edge of the screen without cutoff.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I'm not the type to bring a handheld everywhere, so the smaller size isn't such a big deal. I have a DS lite that's basically pocket-sized if I really need something for my pocket.

    Speaking of the DS, it has those Hori screen protectors that are head and shoulders above other screen protectors. Are there any particularly good ones for the 3000? Or recommended cases?

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  • EvilMonkeyEvilMonkey Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Moioink wrote: »
    Yeah sorry, you got done by Sony's little racket :(

    For reference look up Photofast pro duo adapter on ebay.
    Any experience with this yourself? I did a quick search and found a few reviews of people using it with class 6 cards, at which point the cost of the adapter + 16 GB pretty much covers the difference between the 3000 and the GO. Obviously still useful if you already have a PSP but like the OP I'm on the fence and debating on which model (if any) to pick up. Curse you PSOne RPG nostalgia! Oh and Valkyria Chronicles.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited March 2011
    Anybody who doesn't think the PSP 2000/3000 is portable is insane. It fits in a jacket pocket or backpack just fine. And that's exactly where a DS goes. I've never seen anybody pull any portable game system out of their pants pocket except for a GBA Micro.

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  • Rubix42Rubix42 Registered User
    edited March 2011
    The 2 YS games from last year are fantastic.

    YS Oath in Felghana and YS Seven

    And both are on PSN if you decide on a go. Although really, with the price of the pro duo adapter and Micro SD cards, the 3,000 is the way to go. If you get the hankering to play a non-PSN game, you can, and you can dl all PSN games if you want.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Rogue Coral Springs, FLRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    jclast wrote: »
    Anybody who doesn't think the PSP 2000/3000 is portable is insane. It fits in a jacket pocket or backpack just fine. And that's exactly where a DS goes. I've never seen anybody pull any portable game system out of their pants pocket except for a GBA Micro.

    That's where I keep my PSP, though it does stay in the car often.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited March 2011
    I must have big pockets because my DS fits in them. Not really easily, but it does fit in a pinch.

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  • SeruleSerule Registered User
    edited March 2011
    jclast wrote: »
    Anybody who doesn't think the PSP 2000/3000 is portable is insane. It fits in a jacket pocket or backpack just fine. And that's exactly where a DS goes. I've never seen anybody pull any portable game system out of their pants pocket except for a GBA Micro.

    I used to carry my PSP 2000 back and forth to work; it certainly does fit in a pants pocket, but it's not exactly comfortable. As soon as I got to work I would take it out and store it in my desk drawer until lunchtime.

    The Go on the other hand, fits comfortably in a *shirt* pocket.

  • MorranMorran Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    1) Is there an option to dump UMDs to the memorystick (without using custom firmware?)

    2) Is there any restrictions for copying games bought from PSN store? Like, can I copy them as many times as I like to as many devices I like? Is there a limit to number of devices or number of transfers?

  • KaseiusKaseius Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Morran wrote: »
    1) Is there an option to dump UMDs to the memorystick (without using custom firmware?)

    2) Is there any restrictions for copying games bought from PSN store? Like, can I copy them as many times as I like to as many devices I like? Is there a limit to number of devices or number of transfers?

    1) No.

    2) You can have 5 PSPs activated to 1 account total, and the PSP can only have one account active on it at a time, not multiple like a PS3.

    I personally have a Go and a 3000. I pretty much only play my games on my Go -- having the UMD collection in a handy little device is nice. 8-)

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  • BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    Rubix42 wrote: »
    The 2 YS games from last year are fantastic.

    YS Oath in Felghana and YS Seven

    Oh my gosh...Yes. These games are easily worth getting a PSP for.

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  • izzyfoshizzyizzyfoshizzy Registered User
    edited April 2011
    captaink wrote: »
    I must have big pockets because my DS fits in them. Not really easily, but it does fit in a pinch.

    my ds lite also fits in most of my pockets

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  • BastableBastable Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    PSP 3000 has a bigger screen but if you look closely or are nit picky it has scan lines, the PSP go having the smaller screen means you cannot pick it up with the naked eye. The PSP go cannot get a larger batty, My old PSP 3000 now has a larger batty and a 32 gig mem card, 7 8 hr gaming of VC2 or tactics ogre hell yes. Also the Go has blu tooth and the ability to use dual shock three controls.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited April 2011
    http://www.amazon.com/PSPgo-Piano-Black-Sony-PSP/dp/B002BSC55M/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1301970708&sr=1-1

    Amazon has the Go for $160. Considering that I'd need a memory card for a 3000, that makes them pretty equal in price.

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  • SmokeStacksSmokeStacks License Number 137596Registered User regular
    edited April 2011
    The memory stick is a definite hidden cost when you're looking at buying a 3000. You won't even be able to save your game without one.

    You can get one of the Photofast adaptors for $3 and two 16GB MicroSD sticks for around $45 if you wanted a ton of space, or you can pick up a 32GB Lexar memory stick for $65.

    If you do get a Go, you'll have the 16GB of internal storage ready to go, and you can get another 16GB Memory Stick Micro for $29 with free shipping.

    The PSP Go's Bluetooth support can be used for headsets and Dual Shock 3s, but you can also connect to a cellphone and use it as a bluetooth modem. My phone is a hunk of shit with a terrible browser, but I have unlimited data, so I can use my PSP Go to check my email or the forums or whatever else when I'm away from a wifi connection. 3G might not be terribly fast, but it's still there.

    That, and syncing a DS3 and using TV-Out does turn it into the world's smallest PS1/PSP console.

    The only real downside to the Go is having the PSN dictate the price you'll pay for games. Some games are priced pretty decently (there are a ton of games that are $15 or less), but some games have pricetags that are pretty ridiculous (new games will generally stay at full price for considerably longer than they will at retail).

    The reverse is also true, though. There are a few games that are rare or expensive on UMD, but are fairly cheap and readily available on the PSN. There are also several games that did not have a UMD release, and are PSN only.

    As for the games that are unavailable on the PSN, there are some good ones (mainly older games like GripShift, PoPoLoCrois, Outrun 2006, and Megaman Powered Up) that Go owners miss out on, but there is still a pretty awesome selection of games on the PSN.

    The 3000 can do most of the things the Go can, and it does have a larger screen, but with game pausing, Bluetooth support, and the smaller form factor the Go seems to me like it's much better suited as a portable device.

    If you were thinking of getting a Go, check out the PSN store from your PS3 or download Media Go and you'll be able to see the selection (and pricing) of games you might be interested in.

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