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[Star Trek] Let's make sure history never forgets the name Enterprise
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Voyager, done properly, would basically be BSG with no RTF, civilian government, or Baltar.
It would be a very interesting show, but I don't think the old-school trekkies who watched TOS as it originally aired would go for it.
Well no one liked it as it was, so I'm not sure that changing it that way to be BSG would have made it more unpopular.
If you included a large, alien group of refugees voyager was forced to take on in the beginning instead of two random people that might add something. Stress the crew and characters and create opportunities for conflict or something.
They had plenty of potential conflict that was ignored in that half of their crew were Maquis.
Large group of separatist rebel terrorist? We can squander that! Yeah I totally forgot that.
True.
Better yet, the Maquis ship they encountered could have been a Maquis colony ship. They'd still have all the Maquis military personnel like before, but also civilians who are sympathetic to the Maquis and hate Starfleet and who want to setup their own civilian authority. You also have an explanation for where Voyager (a military ship on a short-range mission) has a ton of supplies and can be self-sustaining.
I think you could bring some of them onboard if done right. You'd want to go for a different feel then BSG.
Voyager, in fact, could have been a defining Star Trek show. About how humanity really has evolved and though isolated from the Federation, Voyager struggles, they eventually come through and learn to work together and build something.
An idea I had would have been to have Voyager collect other refugees and ships and the like (the Borg would be good for setting this kind of thing up to) and essentially form their own group of ships working together for common purpose. Like basically they export the Federation and it's ideals to the Delta Quadrant and show how they still work.
But then you kind of run into the problem of "why the hell don't they just drop the Maquis off on the next uninhabited Class M planet they find."
Because the colonists want to get back to the Alpha Quadrant, and Voyager doesn't want to abandon a human colony with federation-level technology and no defences in the middle of Kazon space?
As much as I liked TNG, Voyager and Enterprise seemed to draw most of their inspiration from it, which ended up giving us copies of copies of what was a franchise reboot anyway. So, they sucked. TNG was pretty heavy on the philosophical aspects of science-fiction, so being aped on Voyager and Enterprise just looked like the latter two shows were written by nitwits fond of their own vapid purpleness.
A good Star Trek show would be much like Moore's BSG; a lot of fightin', and a lot of thinkin', and a lot of thinkin' about why we're fightin'.
Take 7 of 9, the reason she got so much focus once she joined? Jeri Ryan was banging Braga at the time. That crappy vulcan actor that was not Tuvok(Tuvok was Awsome)? He was the stepson of one of the creators(the one that wasn't B&B).
I read the "manual" they published for the fans on the making of Voyager. Their concept of the villains(the Kazon birdheads) in the first few seasons? Crips and Bloods. Yes, Voyager fought gangbangers in outerspace!(not homeboys).
You know they intentionally rigged his costume so that that his mouth could move and he could actually talk, they just never gave him any lines and decided that keeping him silent was more amusing.
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The trend of GRIMDARK MURKY MORALS OH LAWD makes for a *perfect* time to reintroduce a TNG style show. A highly principled leader who effortlessly commands respect and loyalty. Hope and optimism, and the idea that maybe, just maybe, we're going to become something wonderful in the future.
No. No, fuck that. Ron Moore is a talented individual but he should never be a show runner again. Watching his evolution of storytelling through TNG and BSG, he really needs someone to reign him in. He needs someone to have veto power over him to make his ideas work. Those people also need to be competent, which is why his work on DS9 is great. As opposed to the only compelling Voyager episodes about their situation which were subsequently glossed over for more reset buttons.
I'm perfectly happy with the movies being the only flag bearers of the Star Trek franchise. That's the best chance for things to not get fucked up all over again.
I like that in the Star Trek universe, we as humans have become the aliens so to speak. This is illustrated well in the first contact or who watches the watchers episodes. Even through the early 90s sci fi television cheesiness.
Granted the backstory could use some adjusting/retconning, because I can't imagine such vast changes happening in a few hundred years, but still. This is what I like about Star Trek. The triumph of rationalism. We face new challenges, not internal human squabbling so much(although it is interesting to see happen on an individual or smaller scale).
Voyager and Enterprise failed largely because of poor writing and structure, not because they tried too hard to mimic TNG.
I think my point is being missed. The dramatic tone was the same in both episodes. Painting the ideals being toyed with as negative. Sisko certaily acknowledged this, even if not directly. The major difference was the type of conflict they were in. They were both similar in that they showed the federation still had to deal with people willing to stretch their ideals. I'd say the DS9 episode would've ended similarly if not for the fact that it was part of a longer story arc. Hell, Worf's hatred/distrust of Romulans lingered for quite a while after and before Drumhead. He wasn't suddenly cured of specism after the episode was done.
Also, who are these bad people you're talking about? The officer who presided over the court in Drumhead was portrayed as an intelligent old friend of Picard who got caught up in the paranoia and hysteria of a cold war. Not as some villain. She also felt the burden of legacy from her famous father. She wasn't portrayed as a villainous frothing at the mouth Romulan hater. She had a similar dilemma to Sisko, just that in her case her behaviour wasn't justified in the end.
Agreed. Dark like that is not what Star Trek is about. Which doesn't mean it can't go dark places, it just means you are supposed to come out of it not a wreck.
And Voyager could have really been that. It had, as everyone says, a great premise and actors and everything. And just absolutely shit writing.
Also, RDM would do great as long as he was second in command with someone levelheaded above him keeping him in line.
Make the Captain an alien...no not a half human/alien hybrid. No more spocks or B'elannas. We need a real full alien Captain and even make humans in the minority.
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Well, Star Trek has the built-in benefit of being centralized to just the one main set: the Enterprise.
Though it may behoove whoever decides to green-light another Trek show to follow the premium cable model, a la HBO or FX, and offset the higher production values with smaller, more-condensed episode runs that tell a single narrative.
Because seriously? I don't need a 24-episode season of one-off faffing around in the Trekverse.
And my idea of a new series would be somewhat of a return to the OS ideas and get back to actual exploration of space and the conflicts of new races coming into contact with each other. So much of the Brannon/Braga era was just boring-ass consular meetings and diplomat escorting.
Oh, and FFS let's get away from the "tiny piece of latex on my forehead makes me an alien" school of design creativity.
What the fuck? I thought it was all series...
You have seriously crushed my dreams tonight.
DS9 starts October 1
Hrm...
This is.. acceptable, but only just.
Seriously, do we know what the delay is? Is it just "we want to make sure Babylon 5 is gone before we start showing DS9?" I mean, I could understand their concern because DS9 is good, but not that good.
What interested me about the Season 4 Enterprise I watched was it seemed to be doing small two-or-three part story arcs, which left room for some monster of the week stuff to mix things up. As great as DS9 was, I can see how the war arc would leave little room for one-offs. A good example of the possible disjoint would be SFDebris' review of "Badda Bing Badda Bang", where as most of the main cast prepare to rip off the holographic mafia, he has Quark sarcastically say "So how's that whole Dominion War thing coming on, huh? They still control Troi's homeworld?"
As for how enlightened Humanity should be, I think it should be more of a struggle. The Federation should aspire to their ideals - maybe with a reformed Prime Directive - but humans are humans. We won't be infallible, we'll make mistakes, and certain dilemmas will definately be lose-lose. This said, the crew should never stop aspiring to follow those guidelines. We can't all be Captain Picard, but if we fail, we pick ourselves up and try again.
I'd definately like to see more Andorians. Early Enterprise bored me, but I liked Shran.
Also, have the crew consist of at LEAST 1 human, 1 Vulcan, 1 Tellerite, and 1 Andorian. I'm a mark for the Founding Four.
I mean, seriously, every other series has dealt with a different aspect of the Federation in one way or another. TOS was the Wild West expansion phase. TNG was the exploration/diplomacy phase. DS9 dealt with the Federation in war time. Voyager tried to show how a Starfleet crew would act in the absence of the Federation. Enterprise was based around the founding of the Federation. I think the collapse of the Federation would be a logical conclusion of that theme.
The Federation only seems monolithic, when it's really pretty chilled out. Like a lot of science fiction television some aspects of it don't hold together under scrutiny. It's kind of a boring institution, which is why it probably wouldn't work well as a focal point.
I think the exploration angle is what needs to be delved into more. That's the strongest area of star trek, and its primary theme for most of its run. Encountering strange new worlds and such.That's where the creativity of the show shines brightest I believe. Just ramp up the weirdness, get some more interesting aliens, update the technology. Some of my favorite episodes where the weird things happening ones. Like when Riker had a duplicate made through a transporter accident. I liked how they mixed in various scientific theories thematically like that.
I'd pretty much just like to see a update to classic star trek/tng but just better. I mean, they're good programs but not easy to watch in some ways. Kind of preachy at times, and effects leave something to be desired. Update some of the themes to reflect modern issues and struggles much like the older series did for things going on during the times they were made. They could also expand on a lot of themes they only touched on in TNG, like trouble communicating with aliens, or first contact. I agree with the multi episode arc idea mentioned earlier.
I just don't think cynicism and star trek really mesh well together.
Yes but that's traditional for Doctor Who. It's always had a threadbare budget. I'm fairly sure the older series used every quarry in Wales at some point.
In the end, the DS9 Maquis get wiped out off-screen and that's still more than what they did with them on Voyager.
Yeah. I liked the idea of establishing the Maquis on TNG and DS9 before Voyager. It's just a shame that went almost nowhere.
Another reason why I'm interested in the Janeway-thrust-into-the-role-of-captain angle: If you had Chakotay as someone who was already a commander for many years, possibly about to become a captain himself before he joined the Maquis, then you have a dynamic of an inexperienced captain dealing with a first officer who could easily assume control if he wanted, so this would force her to adapt to the situation and emerge a better character for it. However they instead went with the strong captain that everyone's glad to follow, which is a shame. And then they couldn't keep her character consistent.
They could probably do a low budget sitcom about a bunch of Young Wesley Crushers in Starfleet Academy getting into wacky hijinks.