[DEXTER] The real code is having sex with hot blondes. Sorry, Harry.

mr_mich

amnesiasoft wrote:

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You guys are forgetting something: Deb doesn't know he's a Serial killer yet. They might very well pull a cop-out from that.

I thought about that, maybe they'd have him play it off like:

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he was doing it this one time, or stumbled in and found him like that, or mention Harrison as a cop-out and have her excuse it. Which would be a copout at this point...

Invisible

I don't know. I don't think ritualistic murder is the kind of thing you can just handwave away like smoking joint. I only did it this one time, doesn't sound like a good excuse when you've got tools and a meticulously planned kill room.

mr_mich

I remember worrying in Season 1 that Dexter finding Tony Tucci would end up like that. There's a kill room and an amputated Tucci strapped to a table and Dex is all like "heybro!"

I agree that getting out of a ritual kill like that would be dumb, but they've done dumb things before, so we can't rule it out

I can't wait for next season though. When do we usually hear casting news?

amnesiasoft

Invisible wrote:

I don't know. I don't think ritualistic murder is the kind of thing you can just handwave away like smoking joint. I only did it this one time, doesn't sound like a good excuse when you've got tools and a meticulously planned kill room.

But it wasn't a meticulously planned killroom, there weren't photos of victims, the room wasn't coated in layers of plastic. As for the tools, I can't think of a great explanation of the top of my head, but I'm sure there's AN excuse somewhere...

Gosprey

The obvious thing is he wanted to make a personal end to it, but didn't want to get caught, so made it look like the Bay Harbor Butcher did it. After all, he has studied him thoroughly, and may have had a clue that Doakes didn't die in that fire.

DevoutlyApathetic

amnesiasoft wrote:

Invisible wrote:

I don't know. I don't think ritualistic murder is the kind of thing you can just handwave away like smoking joint. I only did it this one time, doesn't sound like a good excuse when you've got tools and a meticulously planned kill room.

But it wasn't a meticulously planned killroom, there weren't photos of victims, the room wasn't coated in layers of plastic. As for the tools, I can't think of a great explanation of the top of my head, but I'm sure there's AN excuse somewhere...

The kill table, the workbench, other stuff all had plastic over it and then we have the whole fact that Travis was wrapped head to toe in cellophane. What, is Dexter going to claim some kind of hilarious I Love Lucy scenario played out while Travis was naked and holding a roll of saran wrap then he just tripped and stabbed him?

From what we've been shown so far it looks like the show intends to deal with this straight up. It would require a massive amount of bullshit to change that right now.

amnesiasoft

DevoutlyApathetic wrote:

From what we've been shown so far it looks like the show intends to deal with this straight up. It would require a massive amount of bullshit to change that right now.

Yeah, but if I expect the worst possible outcome, then I can't be disappointed.

Zek

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If Deb isn't able to piece together that Dex is the Bay Harbor Butcher from this, that would be stupid but theoretically feasible. But there's absolutely no question that this was a ritualistic serial killing. Dex can't possibly claim that it was a one time thing to defend Harrison or whatever. If that was the case he would have killed him on the roof, and even that would raise a lot of questions about his involvement.

I really just don't want to see Dexter keep covering things up with lies because that's just going to set up more pointless reveals when Deb finds out about each thing he's done. There's no point in drawing it out like that, the part that matters has already been exposed. I think he'll come clean with her, maybe leaving out the part about how Harry trained him.

Invisible

See, I think that's the most important part and what will be used to turn her.

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Harry is practically a god to her. Everyone has told her that Harry was the best cop. There was no one better. And she still desperately seeks his approval, even with him dead. There was that whole thing about her rising above him by being promoted to Lieutenant and Matthews telling her that Harry would be disappointed in her for investigating his crime.

I think ultimately the Harry part of it is what will convert her and allow it to continue. That and him finally telling her he loves her.

Cuz let's face it, unless they dump another pile of bullshit on us, they've got two more seasons and if Debra doesn't go along with it, it's going to be a very short season and the final one will take place solely on death row.

I do wonder how she'll react to him raising a son. There's potential for conflict there.

Corpekata

You people are thinking too much. She's going to trip and hit her head in the opening scenes of the premiere and think she's back to season one Vice cop Deb, and she'll start wearing slutty outfits like back then and hilarious lieutenant hijinks will ensue.

Sangheili91

DevoutlyApathetic wrote:

amnesiasoft wrote:

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You guys are forgetting something: Deb doesn't know he's a Serial killer yet. They might very well pull a cop-out from that.

Uh....

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The whole set up is the Butcher's MO. I really hope they don't make her be so stupid as to not get that.

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It's been a long time since I've seen season 2; did the police actually find out that the kill rooms were a big part of what the BHB did? Because that's a great point.

TheOrange

Well, he did

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Ruin the bodies via cutting the air conditioning; I doubt they got anything important about his MO

Free Giraffe Rides!!!

At this point, I think the best direction for Dexter to take would be avant-garde. The events of this season are hereafter mentioned once and only once in the following season, and that's in the premiere's "Previously, on Dexter..."

Aside from that, Dexter shows up at Miami Metro with a tray of blood-filled donuts, which are cheerfully accepted by his coworkers, including a smiling Doakes and Lundy in a crotchless beekeeper suit. Not a word is said. From there, they're free to explore some more experimental themes, like revealing the backstory of the orange Dexter crushes in the intro sequence.

I just don't think you can carry on with a straight face after how they handled this season.

Corpekata

I want them to go balls out and follow the books. Cyber Doakes and Cthulhu and all that jazz. That'd be amusing.

LaCabra

Wait...Cyber Doakes?

Corpekata

LaCabra wrote:

Wait...Cyber Doakes?

Don't remember the specifics but

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rather than being blown up someone tortures Doakes to near death (might've been Dexter, not sure) ending with him becoming a multiple amputeee. He got his tongue cut out too so speaks through a robot voice thing

Invisible

Corpekata wrote:

LaCabra wrote:

Wait...Cyber Doakes?

Don't remember the specifics but

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rather than being blown up someone tortures Doakes to near death (might've been Dexter, not sure) ending with him becoming a multiple amputeee. He got his tongue cut out too so speaks through a robot voice thing

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He has no tongue, hands and is missing one leg. He speaks through a computer device that Dexter constantly mocks. He really, really hates Dexter. Which is sort of weird, because Dexter actually saved him from the crazy guy who was cutting him up, but I guess he doesn't think Dexter acted fast enough or something? I don't know, the books are dumb. Dumber than this season.

exmello

Sangheili91 wrote:

DevoutlyApathetic wrote:

amnesiasoft wrote:

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You guys are forgetting something: Deb doesn't know he's a Serial killer yet. They might very well pull a cop-out from that.

Uh....

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The whole set up is the Butcher's MO. I really hope they don't make her be so stupid as to not get that.

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It's been a long time since I've seen season 2; did the police actually find out that the kill rooms were a big part of what the BHB did? Because that's a great point.

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This is exactly what I remember, but it's also been a long time since I watched season 2. Do they actually know anything about his MO?

Invisible

They know he abducts criminals, dismembers them, places the parts in trashbags and drops them in the ocean. Keep in mind they haven't found any more victims after he changed the dump site.

DevoutlyApathetic

I'd be surprised if they didn't get enough to know at least the whole stab through the heart thing.

Dex doesn't always do that but quite often.

LaCabra

They also know he makes a cut on their cheek, and uses tape to tie them down before he kills them. Also if Deb is paying attention she should see a blood slide, which is also known to be a BHB thing.

However if you guys forgot about this the writers probably will too.

Oh and deb was taped up exactly the same way in season 1.

Drez

Wait, I have the mother of all bullshit explanations:

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The final scene from this season was just a VR simulation Louis Greene created for the second version of his video game. He used Dexter as a model for his serial killer because he now secretly hates Dexter and will become his nemesis next season even though he doesn't really know Dexter is an actual serial killer. It was a coincidence.

skeldare

Drez wrote:

Wait, I have the mother of all bullshit explanations:

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The final scene from this season was just a VR simulation Louis Greene created for the second version of his video game. He used Dexter as a model for his serial killer because he now secretly hates Dexter and will become his nemesis next season even though he doesn't really know Dexter is an actual serial killer. It was a coincidence.

That would be both awesome and idiotic at the same time. I approve.

mr_mich

Drez wrote:

Wait, I have the mother of all bullshit explanations:

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The final scene from this season was just a VR simulation Louis Greene created for the second version of his video game. He used Dexter as a model for his serial killer because he now secretly hates Dexter and will become his nemesis next season even though he doesn't really know Dexter is an actual serial killer. It was a coincidence.

There's no way they do that; they already invested $TEXAS into the graphics for Louis's first Batista game.

joshofalltrades

Batista: The Show: The Game

Spend hours trying on different hats

mr_mich

And picking out shitty anniversary gifts.

Xeddicus

It's just going to be a love story all next season.

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Deb will dress up as Rita, they'll role play, it'll be...god, the entire pseudo-incest thing was designed solely to try and ratchet up the impact of Deb finding out. The ONLY thing they can do now that will in any way surprise or please me is Deb forgetting she's in love with her brother and not flipping her shit past the first episode over Dexter making with the stabby stab.

I am about to be overly dramatic here, but the show was working towards that angle anyway: The show died with Rita.

evilthecat

in regards to BHB:

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I recall a scene where Lundy asks if a particular kill site matched the MO of the BHB. Dexter says no and details why. I do believe the police know quite a bit about the BHB's approach. Also you have to assume the plastic wrap it tossed into the ocean as well, last thing you want is to have to throw away blood soaked plastic sheets away with your common garbage.

mr_mich

Lindy is the one who tells Dexter that the butcher uses plastic wrap. He said he could tell because of the compression patterns.

Neli

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I don't mind the incest thing, as long as they don't actually have Dexter being fine with it. Dexters whole family is entirely fucked up, and it's probably fitting that Deb now has some demons of her own. It's a weird direction to take her character in, but it doesn't have to be a bad thing. The show deals with weird and taboo all the time.

This season was really let down by the villain though. They should have not had that baby faced clown as the main villain and just focused on Olmos alone instead, as a real person and not a figment of some guys imagination. What a waste

NailbunnyPD

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But that was basically a reflection of Dexter. While he didn't kill his father, he's certainly a bit crazy for having an imaginary figure to oversee and interact with him. The implementation was not ideal, but I can at least see what they were doing with it.

The religious stuff is still confusing to me, though. Its possible they wanted to show religion can be manipulated to validate evil acts, or that its just a complicated farce. In the end, I don't think Dexter learned anything from Brother Sam. Again, terrible implementation.

ElJeffe

I felt a little like this season was written while they still didn't know if there would be another season, and so halfway through they're like, "Oh shit, we have two more seasons, let's throw all this shit out and start over." The weird intern subplots, the religions thing with Brother Sam, it all felt half-resolved and forgotten.

Corpekata

Yeah, Quinn's spiral is one of the many subplots that clearly feels like its' ending was rewritten. It's look like he's gonna die, or at least get fired and....just ends with him talking to a union guy. Really?

Captain Tragedy

The intern thing was weird: they had the first female intern steal the hand, setting up the idea that she may have a creepy obsession with the ITK/serial killers and possibly Dexter...only to have it be revealed to be a red herring and she was auctioning online for money...

...but wait! It was apparently bought by the 2nd new intern, setting up the nearly identical plot line that he may have a creepy obsession with the ITK/serials and possibly Dexter.

Did they not like blonde intern in the role but still want to keep the "creepy intern" thing going, so they just decide to repeat the same plot twice with a different actor?

Tomanta

Next season should start with Deb arresting Dexter, and next season should be Dexter on trial and consulting on a new serial-killer case in a Hannibal Lecter/Silence of the Lambs-style role.

The final season would be him going to prison where he starts to stalk/kill other prisoners.

Or maybe that's a terrible idea, but it would at least change things up. But either way it breaks the formula and won't happen.

Bedigunz

Captain Tragedy wrote:

The intern thing was weird: they had the first female intern steal the hand, setting up the idea that she may have a creepy obsession with the ITK/serial killers and possibly Dexter...only to have it be revealed to be a red herring and she was auctioning online for money...

...but wait! It was apparently bought by the 2nd new intern, setting up the nearly identical plot line that he may have a creepy obsession with the ITK/serials and possibly Dexter.

Did they not like blonde intern in the role but still want to keep the "creepy intern" thing going, so they just decide to repeat the same plot twice with a different actor?

I think the whole point was that the hand was gone and out of sight when it wrapped up neatly with "I removed the purchase evidence from the internet." We shrugged our shoulders and said whatever. Then we see it again in Louis' apartment, prior to Dexter getting pissed at him.

Basically it was a double red-herring.

I like Louis a lot more than the blond, actually. Also I don't find his technology antics nearly as offensive as some people do here. Big deal, he used technology jargin to work as a plot device. It's not like we haven't seen that in police shows, medical shows, legal shows, or any shows with field experts.

Shit, even Dexter probably used flawed science or police work prior to this season.

ElJeffe

We can't really have Dexter go to prison with two seasons left. Because there's no plausible way to get him there without some really compelling evidence, and if you have the evidence there's no plausible way he would get off short of making a run for it. And Dexter On the Run would be a shitty TV show.

I'm predicting that Deb helps Dex clean up the mess (or looks the other way while he does) and spends half the season agonizing over whether to turn him in. Even odds on whether she pulls a Julia Stiles and starts assisting him before deciding this shit is fucked up and bailing.

Also, has Deb signed on for two more seasons? Because this could also be a way to write her off the show. "This is messed up, I can't deal with this, fuckit I'mma roam the countryside and be a bum and have adventures."

ElJeffe

Bedigunz wrote:

Shit, even Dexter probably used flawed science or police work prior to this season.

Dexter never used blood-spatter technology to fix his credit report.

joshofalltrades

ElJeffe wrote:

Bedigunz wrote:

Shit, even Dexter probably used flawed science or police work prior to this season.

Dexter never used blood-spatter technology to fix his credit report.

No, then he would be Tyler Durden.

amnesiasoft

Having given it some though, even if Deb draws a bunch of Bay Harbor Butcher comparisons: "Well, he got away with it for so long, it seemed like a good way to do it"