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Hamurabi

Blankzilla wrote: »

Hamurabi wrote: »

I guess I had forgotten a lot about Green Lantern.

So lemme get this straight: his ring is fueled by willpower.

And he fights bad guys whose energy source is fear.

Right. This will garner comic books ("graphic novels") a lot of legitimacy as an art form, that's for sure.

I don't think anyone questions that comics are an art form.

This is like saying that GI Joe will discredit film as an art form.

I didn't mean to imply that this is a make-or-break for comics; more of a reflection on comics-to-movies adaptations.

But hey, people went to see the hojillion mediocre Marvel adaptations, so I guess DC has a right to get in on the vapid summer movie thing too.

Blankzilla

Really

you're gonna say Iron Man was mediocre

Zonugal

Hamurabi wrote: »

Blankzilla wrote: »

Hamurabi wrote: »

I guess I had forgotten a lot about Green Lantern.

So lemme get this straight: his ring is fueled by willpower.

And he fights bad guys whose energy source is fear.

Right. This will garner comic books ("graphic novels") a lot of legitimacy as an art form, that's for sure.

I don't think anyone questions that comics are an art form.

This is like saying that GI Joe will discredit film as an art form.

I didn't mean to imply that this is a make-or-break for comics; more of a reflection on comics-to-movies adaptations.

But hey, people went to see the hojillion mediocre Marvel adaptations, so I guess DC has a right to get in on the vapid summer movie thing too.

Only if DC can do it right...

PiptheFair

I want to give anne hathaway something alright

BusterK

PiptheFair wrote: »

I want to give anne hathaway something alright

Is it a new hairstyle?

PiptheFair

copulation

Centipede Damascus

Hamurabi wrote: »

I guess I had forgotten a lot about Green Lantern.

So lemme get this straight: his ring is fueled by willpower.

And he fights bad guys whose energy source is fear.

Right. This will garner comic books ("graphic novels") a lot of legitimacy as an art form, that's for sure.

comic books have been a legitimate art form for at least thirty years now

one more silly superhero movie isn't going to change that

Hamurabi

Blankzilla wrote: »

Really

you're gonna say Iron Man was mediocre

I didn't say they were all mediocre (though frankly, Iron Man 1 & 2 were pretty forgettable in my view), but for every X-Men 1+2 or Spider-Man 1+2 they have fifteen terrible adaptations.

If I'm being honest with myself, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, V for Vendetta and Watchmen have probably spoiled me on comic book adaptations, and when one isn't as good as those films, I feel inordinately let down.

PiptheFair

what the hell?

Centipede Damascus

this guy's been at the Gaffer's own brew

Blankzilla

Watchmen wasn't that great

and V for Vendetta wasn't an adaptation so much as something wildly different from the source material

Marvel's movies:
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Hulk
Incredible Hulk
Thor
X-Men
X-Men 2
X-Men: The Last Stand
Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man 3
Blade
Blade 2
Blade Trinity
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Daredevil

outside of like the direct to dvd Man-Thing, that is all of them

now while I enjoyed some of these more than others, going off of the what I've seen as the general opinion and reviews

10 of those movies are 'good'. 7 are 'bad'.

Blankzilla

Oh wait Elektra

so 8 bad ones

and for the record the Director's Cut of Daredevil is pretty good

PiptheFair

hey man blade trinity had a much better deadpool than wolverine did

Crimson King

the point is that the whole emotional spectrum mythology is ridiculous and they should just have used starro or something

KalTorak

The movies that Marvel actually makes in-studio (IIRC Iron Man 1/2, Thor, Inc. Hulk) are a step above the ones that got farmed out (FF4, spider-man, x-men).

PiptheFair

I'm glad that some people on the internet are way more right about blackest night than the writer's of the extremely highly praised blackest night series

Blankzilla

Crimson King wrote: »

the point is that the whole emotional spectrum mythology is ridiculous and they should just have used starro or something

It works in the comics because comics can get away with being a little wacky. It is the nature of the beast.

But yeah it is super goofy when used in a live-action blockbuster.

Blankzilla

Blackest Night was

well it wasn't bad

it relied way too much on gore and shock deaths and the main series was literally half of the story but it had some decent beats and great art. Not a bad event, but not great.

NinjaSquirrel

Never mind, walked away and then posted when I got back and this was put in there

PiptheFair

brightest day was better but shut up

Macera

Hamurabi wrote: »

[...]though frankly, Iron Man 1 & 2 were pretty forgettable in my view

[...]V for Vendetta and Watchmen have probably spoiled me on comic book adaptations,

dude are you high

KalTorak

Crimson King wrote: »

the point is that the whole emotional spectrum mythology is ridiculous and they should just have used starro or something

isn't the spectrum mythology like, all that GL has?

that said, it is a bit ridiculous that a universe-wide police force (and their enemies) would be based around shades of the EM spectrum that happen to be produced in abundance by the Earth's sun. I know Alan Moore wrote a badass story about the Lanterns recruiting the blind alien from the world without light and making it sound-based, but wouldn't there be thousands of worlds with a different dominant light spectrum from Earth? And how do sound-based GL powers work in space anyway.

Centipede Damascus

Blackest Night had a lot more problems than just the rainbow ring power spectrum

like trying to milk cheap emotion out of bringing back dead characters as zombies

sometimes in extremely tasteless ways

Keith

Blankzilla wrote: »

Watchmen wasn't that great

and V for Vendetta wasn't an adaptation so much as something wildly different from the source material

Marvel's movies:
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Hulk
Incredible Hulk
Thor
X-Men
X-Men 2
X-Men: The Last Stand
Spider-Man
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man 3
Blade
Blade 2
Blade Trinity
Fantastic Four
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
Daredevil

outside of like the direct to dvd Man-Thing, that is all of them

now while I enjoyed some of these more than others, going off of the what I've seen as the general opinion and reviews

10 of those movies are 'good'. 7 are 'bad'.

You're missing

Elektra
Ghost Ride
The Punisher
The Punisher: War Zone
X-Men Origins: Wolverine

Hamurabi

I dunno. This seems like a fairly futile discussion (unless we wanna use RottenTomatoes scores, or something). I stick by what I said in another somewhat related thread in D&D: I prefer DC's pseudo-strategy of having people who can do the franchise justice come along and knock it out of the ballpark every couple of years, as compared to Marvel Studios's strategy of just churning out 2-3 vapid flicks every summer and cashing in on the commercial tie-ins. DC's also put out some really terrible films of its franchises (the old, campy Batmans; Catwoman; etc.), but I feel like the quality of the films I mentioned above, collectively, outweighs what Marvel has put on the silver screen thus far.

ymmv, of course.

PiptheFair

KalTorak wrote: »

Crimson King wrote: »

the point is that the whole emotional spectrum mythology is ridiculous and they should just have used starro or something

isn't the spectrum mythology like, all that GL has?

that said, it is a bit ridiculous that a universe-wide police force (and their enemies) would be based around shades of the EM spectrum that happen to be produced in abundance by the Earth's sun. I know Alan Moore wrote a badass story about the Lanterns recruiting the blind alien from the world without light and making it sound-based, but wouldn't there be thousands of worlds with a different dominant light spectrum from Earth? And how do sound-based GL powers work in space anyway.

comic books

KalTorak

Macera wrote: »

Hamurabi wrote: »

[...]though frankly, Iron Man 1 & 2 were pretty forgettable in my view

[...]V for Vendetta and Watchmen have probably spoiled me on comic book adaptations,

dude are you high

...yeah, V for Vendetta was so far from the source material it was barely an adaptation

Watchmen was so close to the source material it was barely a movie

Blankzilla

Oh man I did totally forget the Punisher movies

I thought I put in Ghost Rider, I even thought about it as I was making the list

and I never saw Wolverine so I always gloss over it. So the Bad/Good is a little skewed in bad but it is hardly "15 bad movies for every good movie"

Blankzilla

Hamurabi wrote: »

I dunno. This seems like a fairly futile discussion (unless we wanna use RottenTomatoes scores, or something). I stick by what I said in another somewhat related thread in D&D: I prefer DC's pseudo-strategy of having people who can do the franchise justice come along and knock it out of the ballpark every couple of years, as compared to Marvel Studios's strategy of just churning out 2-3 vapid flicks every summer and cashing in on the commercial tie-ins. DC's also put out some really terrible films of its franchises (the old, campy Batmans; Catwoman; etc.), but I feel like the quality of the films I mentioned above, collectively, outweighs what Marvel has put on the silver screen thus far.

ymmv, of course.

"knock it out of the ballpark"?

You are basing DC's strategy entirely on Nolan's Bat-Films

the only other superhero flick they have had was Superman Returns which wasn't bad but was hardly a hit

everything else was Vertigo which is essentially a separate brand and has no franchises to speak of film-wise.

plus you think the 60s batman was terrible so you are fucking broken

Crimson King

KalTorak wrote: »

Crimson King wrote: »

the point is that the whole emotional spectrum mythology is ridiculous and they should just have used starro or something

isn't the spectrum mythology like, all that GL has?

that said, it is a bit ridiculous that a universe-wide police force (and their enemies) would be based around shades of the EM spectrum that happen to be produced in abundance by the Earth's sun. I know Alan Moore wrote a badass story about the Lanterns recruiting the blind alien from the world without light and making it sound-based, but wouldn't there be thousands of worlds with a different dominant light spectrum from Earth? And how do sound-based GL powers work in space anyway.

The spectrum is actually a relatively recent invention that's quickly risen to completely dominate the entire series. I'm not fond of it, personally, but it's not like super terrible. However it seems ridiculous even to people who are hardened comics fans, I can't imagine anyone else will be able to take it at all seriously.

also the biggest problem with blackest night was that it resolved exactly the way people on the internet predicted it was going to resolve two issues in.

Jars

all I know about anne hathaway is that I have seen her breasts and they were pretty nice

I saw ironman 1 but it felt like I was watching an updated robocop only not as good as robocop

Hamurabi

Blankzilla wrote: »

Hamurabi wrote: »

I dunno. This seems like a fairly futile discussion (unless we wanna use RottenTomatoes scores, or something). I stick by what I said in another somewhat related thread in D&D: I prefer DC's pseudo-strategy of having people who can do the franchise justice come along and knock it out of the ballpark every couple of years, as compared to Marvel Studios's strategy of just churning out 2-3 vapid flicks every summer and cashing in on the commercial tie-ins. DC's also put out some really terrible films of its franchises (the old, campy Batmans; Catwoman; etc.), but I feel like the quality of the films I mentioned above, collectively, outweighs what Marvel has put on the silver screen thus far.

ymmv, of course.

"knock it out of the ballpark"?

You are basing DC's strategy entirely on Nolan's Bat-Films

the only other superhero flick they have had was Superman Returns which wasn't bad but was hardly a hit

everything else was Vertigo which is essentially a separate brand and has no franchises to speak of film-wise.

plus you think the 60s batman was terrible so you are fucking broken

I was referring to the more recent Val Kilmer / George Clooney Batman films.

Again, though, this is pretty futile discussion. I threw my opinion out there (and never called it anything but my opinion), people shat on it, and I don't really see where this can go from there.

Blankzilla

I like DC

I really do

but trying to say their film work is superior to Marvel's is nuts. Marvel is destroying them in film, their only hit is Batman.

Now if we were talking about animation the tables would be turned

Centipede Damascus

Hamurabi wrote: »

I dunno. This seems like a fairly futile discussion (unless we wanna use RottenTomatoes scores, or something). I stick by what I said in another somewhat related thread in D&D: I prefer DC's pseudo-strategy of having people who can do the franchise justice come along and knock it out of the ballpark every couple of years, as compared to Marvel Studios's strategy of just churning out 2-3 vapid flicks every summer and cashing in on the commercial tie-ins. DC's also put out some really terrible films of its franchises (the old, campy Batmans; Catwoman; etc.), but I feel like the quality of the films I mentioned above, collectively, outweighs what Marvel has put on the silver screen thus far.

ymmv, of course.

except that Marvel only started the two movies every summer strategy fairly recently

all of the really bad movies were made by other studios who had just bought the rights from Marvel. DC is owned directly by Warner Bros., so they had a lot more creative control over their films.

besides that, how many good DC movies have there been in the last twenty years? Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight. How does that outweigh all the good Marvel movies made in the last decade?

Crimson King

Jars wrote: »

all I know about anne hathaway is that I have seen her breasts and they were pretty nice

and now, so have i

KalTorak

referring to the Schumacher Batman films as "knocked out of the park" is pathetically blatant trolling

Centipede Damascus

Jars wrote: »

I saw ironman 1 but it felt like I was watching an updated robocop only not as good as robocop

wow

Crimson King

Hamurabi wrote: »

Blankzilla wrote: »

Hamurabi wrote: »

I dunno. This seems like a fairly futile discussion (unless we wanna use RottenTomatoes scores, or something). I stick by what I said in another somewhat related thread in D&D: I prefer DC's pseudo-strategy of having people who can do the franchise justice come along and knock it out of the ballpark every couple of years, as compared to Marvel Studios's strategy of just churning out 2-3 vapid flicks every summer and cashing in on the commercial tie-ins. DC's also put out some really terrible films of its franchises (the old, campy Batmans; Catwoman; etc.), but I feel like the quality of the films I mentioned above, collectively, outweighs what Marvel has put on the silver screen thus far.

ymmv, of course.

"knock it out of the ballpark"?

You are basing DC's strategy entirely on Nolan's Bat-Films

the only other superhero flick they have had was Superman Returns which wasn't bad but was hardly a hit

everything else was Vertigo which is essentially a separate brand and has no franchises to speak of film-wise.

plus you think the 60s batman was terrible so you are fucking broken

I was referring to the more recent Val Kilmer / George Clooney Batman films.

Again, though, this is pretty futile discussion. I threw my opinion out there (and never called it anything but my opinion), people shat on it, and I don't really see where this can go from there.

well, we could have a measured and reasonable discussion about the various merits of the films in question, you could perhaps suggest that while while marvel has made more reasonable films dc has made strictly better ones, or that you don't think the marvel films are as good as everyone else does, or point out that the dark knight counts for at least three marvel movies

or you could just get all butthurt because people disagreed with you on the internet

Macera

Blankzilla wrote: »

everything else was Vertigo which is essentially a separate brand and has no franchises to speak of film-wise.

plus you think the 60s batman was terrible so you are fucking broken

looking at what Hamurabi wrote again, I get the impression he likes :[ comic book movies more than : D comic book movies

Dritz

Blank you should watch the title sequence of Wolverine and that's about it. It was a pretty cool sequence though. What came before and after it are better left unspoken.