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[NHL] Sharks trade Heatley for Havlat (!); more surprises in store

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    San Jose doesn't have the draft picks to submit offer sheets

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  • MorgensternMorgenstern Registered User regular
    4 first-rounders for a player just seems insane.

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  • PizzleStixxPizzleStixx Registered User regular
    Is that for any player or is it like the NFL where the draft picks are dependent on how good the player is?

    I'm actually surprised I have no idea on this one.

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  • TehSlothTehSloth BIG DATA Registered User regular
    PizzleStixx wrote: »
    Is that for any player or is it like the NFL where the draft picks are dependent on how good the player is?

    I'm actually surprised I have no idea on this one.

    For picking up an RFA off someone it's based on their salary. I think over 7mil it's 4 first rounders or something crazy like that. I think it's a lot more sensible once you get under 3mil but I can't remember any exact figures.

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  • Sharp101Sharp101 Registered User regular
    PizzleStixx wrote: »
    Is that for any player or is it like the NFL where the draft picks are dependent on how good the player is?

    I'm actually surprised I have no idea on this one.

    It's based off how much money the contract is worth:

    OFFER COMPENSATION $1,020,348 or below None Over $1,020,348 to $1,545,981 Third-round choice Over $1,545,981 to $3,091,963 Second-round choice Over $3,091,963 to $4,637,944 First-round and third-round choice Over $4,637,944 to $6,183,925 First-round, second-round and third-round choice Over $6,183,925 to $7,729,907 Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice Over $7,729,907 Four first-round choices[/CODE][CODE]OFFER COMPENSATION
    $1,020,348 or below None
    Over $1,020,348 to $1,545,981 Third-round choice
    Over $1,545,981 to $3,091,963 Second-round choice
    Over $3,091,963 to $4,637,944 First-round and third-round choice
    Over $4,637,944 to $6,183,925 First-round, second-round and third-round choice
    Over $6,183,925 to $7,729,907 Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice
    Over $7,729,907 Four first-round choices[/CODE]

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    Ironically, the only compensation San Jose could afford would be the +7.7 million


    Is Edmonton still trying to move Cogliano? I think he'd fit in well in the Sharks bottom 6 right now

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  • MorgensternMorgenstern Registered User regular
    tofu wrote: »
    Ironically, the only compensation San Jose could afford would be the +7.7 million


    Is Edmonton still trying to move Cogliano? I think he'd fit in well in the Sharks bottom 6 right now

    According to some Oiler sites, blogs and twitter accounts, Cogliano and a few others (Gilbert, Hemsky, Horcoff) are being shopped around.

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  • tofutofu Registered User 
    CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) 
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m) 
Andrew Cogliano ($1.500m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Antti Miettinen ($2.000m) 
Jamie McGinn ($0.680m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.540m) / Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m)
Benn Ferriero ($0.850m) 

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Burns ($3.550m) / Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) 
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m) 
Jim Vandermeer ($1.000m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m) 
Mike Moore ($0.512m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m) 

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) 

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,457,501; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,842,499

    :^:

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  • OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    I like Horcoff, but the CBJ don't exactly need anymore centers right now. We've got 5 on the roster currently with Johanssen expected to make a run at a roster slot in camp (he's too young for the AHL so it's either back to juniors or on the big club this season). In fact, there's a good chance that one of Pahlsson, Vermette, or Brassard might get moved before the season.

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    You can never have too many centers

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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    Babcocks's line juggling in the olympics made me laugh. Helicopter lines, a line with no wingers!


    As an aside, thinking about the Olympics, i'd love to see a Nash, Iginla, Crosby line play all season together.

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  • OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    except we need a top 6 winger and a second pairing defenseman. I like all of our centers, but given what the roster needs, one of the three I mentioned is likely to get moved, especially since Umberger can also play center in a pinch.

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  • CorvusCorvus Caw? VancouverRegistered User regular
    Hmm, looking at the remaining guys out there, I wouldn't mind seeing the Canucks take a look at Jason Arnott. Maybe Chris Drury.

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    Columbus probably should have taken Campbell, they could have absorbed his cap hit. I'm not sure what other #2 defensemen could possibly be on the market

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  • MorgensternMorgenstern Registered User regular
    tofu wrote: »
    CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) 
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m) 
Andrew Cogliano ($1.500m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Antti Miettinen ($2.000m) 
Jamie McGinn ($0.680m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.540m) / Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m)
Benn Ferriero ($0.850m) 

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Burns ($3.550m) / Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) 
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m) 
Jim Vandermeer ($1.000m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m) 
Mike Moore ($0.512m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m) 

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) 

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,457,501; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,842,499

    :^:

    Yea, but what would you give up for Cogliano? Just picks?

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  • CorvusCorvus Caw? VancouverRegistered User regular
    tofu wrote: »
    Columbus probably should have taken Campbell, they could have absorbed his cap hit. I'm not sure what other #2 defensemen could possibly be on the market

    Kaberle? He certainly aint a #1 anyways.

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  • OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    well, until they both signed, White and Babchuk were both on our radar. I can't see us committing dollars to McCabe or Kaberle so Howson will probably just start shopping around teams that need center help. Campbell wouldn't have worked because we're an internal salary cap team. If his cap hit was big but salary small it might've worked, but we're already close to the internal number now. I'd guess we've got another $5 mill to spend on 6 roster spots.

    Which gets back to my saying that a center is probably going to get moved just so we can afford to have both a top 6 winger AND a second pairing guy on defense.

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  • MorgensternMorgenstern Registered User regular
    RNH skated as an Oiler for the first time today.

    *girly squeal*

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    Corvus wrote: »
    tofu wrote: »
    Columbus probably should have taken Campbell, they could have absorbed his cap hit. I'm not sure what other #2 defensemen could possibly be on the market

    Kaberle? He certainly aint a #1 anyways.

    They could sign Kaberle but they wouldn't need to trade for him
    Morgenstern wrote: »
    Yea, but what would you give up for Cogliano? Just picks?
    Is Cogliano worth anything more than a 4th pick at this point?

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    tofu wrote: »
    CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) 
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($1.241m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m) 
Andrew Cogliano ($1.500m) / Michal Handzus ($2.500m) / Antti Miettinen ($2.000m) 
Jamie McGinn ($0.680m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.540m) / Torrey Mitchell ($1.366m)
Benn Ferriero ($0.850m) 

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Burns ($3.550m) / Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) 
Douglas Murray ($2.500m) / Dan Boyle ($6.666m) 
Jim Vandermeer ($1.000m) / Jason Demers ($1.250m) 
Mike Moore ($0.512m) / Justin Braun ($0.875m) 

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m) / Antero Niittymaki ($2.000m) 

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,457,501; BONUSES: $587,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,842,499

    :^:



    RANDOM COMMENT:

    I was at my parents house this weekend and ended up looking through one of my old binders on hockey cards.

    Totally have a Joe Thornton(/Marc Savard/Valcav Prospal) rookie cards to go along with my Brodure one.

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  • OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    Buffalo and Washington both need to move some salary around, so I wouldn't be surprised if we made a deal with them, especially since Howson has swung deals with both GMs in the recent past.

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    Semin is probably the most likely guy to get moved, could Columbus afford his salary?

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  • OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    A) probably not, but I'm not privy to the exact salary cap number internally
    B) we don't have a good history of Russians here

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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    Their number 1, number 2, and number 3 centers could be moved pretty easily to shore up some cap.

    Semin would be legit addition to give them two top lines.

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  • MorgensternMorgenstern Registered User regular
    tofu wrote: »
    Corvus wrote: »
    tofu wrote: »
    Columbus probably should have taken Campbell, they could have absorbed his cap hit. I'm not sure what other #2 defensemen could possibly be on the market

    Kaberle? He certainly aint a #1 anyways.

    They could sign Kaberle but they wouldn't need to trade for him
    Morgenstern wrote: »
    Yea, but what would you give up for Cogliano? Just picks?
    Is Cogliano worth anything more than a 4th pick at this point?

    I would say he's worth at least a fourth and a mid-level prospect.

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  • RikushixRikushix Registered User regular
    Morgenstern wrote: »
    tofu wrote: »
    Corvus wrote: »
    tofu wrote: »
    Columbus probably should have taken Campbell, they could have absorbed his cap hit. I'm not sure what other #2 defensemen could possibly be on the market

    Kaberle? He certainly aint a #1 anyways.

    They could sign Kaberle but they wouldn't need to trade for him
    Morgenstern wrote: »
    Yea, but what would you give up for Cogliano? Just picks?
    Is Cogliano worth anything more than a 4th pick at this point?

    I would say he's worth at least a fourth and a mid-level prospect.

    That sounds about right.

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    I would be really surprised if Cogliano gets paid more than 1.5 million

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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    Chicago wouldn't have traded Campbell to Columbus, they share a division.

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  • 3v3v Registered User
    Columbus has two options in signing McCabe and Kaberle and they can fit both under the cap

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    Matrias wrote: »
    Chicago wouldn't have traded Campbell to Columbus, they share a division.

    I think they would have traded him anywhere to get rid of his cap

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  • OSUJumpManOSUJumpMan Registered User regular
    3v wrote: »
    Columbus has two options in signing McCabe and Kaberle and they can fit both under the cap

    I would honestly be shocked if Columbus signed either of those two. Kaberle has been rumored to be coming here before and the front office have generally tripped over themselves to explain they're not interested. Neither he nor McCabe are stay-at-home defensemen that Howson has said he's looking for. If they sign McCabe it'd be a 1 year deal for less than $3 million (preferably a lot less) and I doubt that interests him much.

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  • 3v3v Registered User
    Who is your puck moving defensemen then? Tyutin? (Sorry I am dreadfully unaware of the goings on of the CBJ blueline)

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    3v wrote: »
    Who is your puck moving defensemen then? Tyutin? (Sorry I am dreadfully unaware of the goings on of the CBJ blueline)

    They signed Wisniewski

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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    I hear Minnesota is interested in Kaberle.

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    I heard Kaberle is going to start his own NHL team

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  • MatriasMatrias Registered User regular
    The Burly Cabs?

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  • Sharp101Sharp101 Registered User regular
    I miss Kaberle already.

    :(

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    I hear Kaberle was a pretty bad player with the Bruins and feel bad for whichever team gives him $4 million.

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    He was pretty bad for the Bruins.

    But always put up great numbers for the Leafs.

    I wouldn't feel bad for whoever gets him.

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  • tofutofu Registered User
    Kaberle is not a bad player and he looked fine on the Bruins when he won a Stanley Cup

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