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[HBO] Game of Thrones - TV only, NO BOOK DISCUSSION

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  • syndalissyndalis Getting Classy On the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products regular
    TL DR wrote: »
    Tomanta wrote: »
    Spoiler:

    Was that in S1 of the show? Because if not, it shouldn't be in the thread and either way it shouldn't be un-spoilered.

    last episode of season 1. It lasted all of five minutes... it was after he had a long conversation with the Maester at the wall, which along with the recent news from the south inspired his actions.

    All covered by TV.

  • 815165815165 Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    is that where the old dude tells him
    Spoiler:

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  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    ...snip...

    I think you should spoiler stuff like that, since you have actually read the books and are just pretending to not know the future. Just my 2 cents.

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  • quantumcat42quantumcat42 Registered User regular
    poshniallo wrote: »
    ...snip...

    I think you should spoiler stuff like that, since you have actually read the books and are just pretending to not know the future. Just my 2 cents.
    He doesn't spoil anything from the books, except that his spec isn't known yet.

  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    poshniallo wrote: »
    ...snip...

    I think you should spoiler stuff like that, since you have actually read the books and are just pretending to not know the future. Just my 2 cents.
    He doesn't spoil anything from the books, except that his spec isn't known yet.

    He says he is speculating about something happening while pretending to not have read the books. This means he knows that's not going to happen.

    People aren't dumb just because they want to avoid spoilers, you know. They can work stuff out, read between the lines of posts. Which is why this thread is NOT FOR TALKING ABOUT THE BOOKS.

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  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    There's a thread for book people too, right? Please just use that. I don't want to have to abandon this thread like I did for season 1 because people thought they were clever.

  • JustTeeJustTee Registered User regular
    If you've read the books, you pretty much can't comment on future events or speculations, because every thing you say is basically spoilerific.

    As someone who's read the books, and has a lot of friends who are now watching the show, I pretty much only comment on things that have already happened. Anything I say can ruin a moment later on in the future, so if it hasn't already been shown, just say "wait and see" or don't comment at all.

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  • pirateluigipirateluigi Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    JustTee wrote: »
    If you've read the books, you pretty much can't comment on future events or speculations, because every thing you say is basically spoilerific.

    As someone who's read the books, and has a lot of friends who are now watching the show, I pretty much only comment on things that have already happened. Anything I say can ruin a moment later on in the future, so if it hasn't already been shown, just say "wait and see" or don't comment at all.

    In some cases, Wait and See can be just as bad. Especially in a show like this where anyone can die... saying wait and see could imply that the character will live until something is resolved.

    What really bugs me, though, is when someone tells me "Oh man! You will not believe what happens in this episode at the end!" Now I'm already set up for a twist and I'll miss the genuine shock that should come when I first see it. I much prefer no comment at all from people who already know what will happen.

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  • quantumcat42quantumcat42 Registered User regular
    That's fair.
    Fake spoilers are fun though, the subtler the better. (anecdote spoiler'd just in case, though it's about the show)
    Spoiler:

  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    poshniallo wrote: »
    poshniallo wrote: »
    ...snip...

    I think you should spoiler stuff like that, since you have actually read the books and are just pretending to not know the future. Just my 2 cents.
    He doesn't spoil anything from the books, except that his spec isn't known yet.

    He says he is speculating about something happening while pretending to not have read the books. This means he knows that's not going to happen.

    People aren't dumb just because they want to avoid spoilers, you know. They can work stuff out, read between the lines of posts. Which is why this thread is NOT FOR TALKING ABOUT THE BOOKS.

    Or you could get the fuck over it, since he was just talking and didn't spoil anything

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Damn it, damned if I do, damned if I don't. This is just making me think two things: 1) If you have read the books, don't even bother trying to have a discussion on the show or 2) Spoiler EVERYTHING ... and people are probably going to get pissed anyways just clicking on it.

    All I was trying to do was think about the situation the show presented me with in visual and audio terms. It made me think of how hard it is to have a city that is competitive with other civilizations in Civ V when its in the tundra and there is little to eat. And then I look at the show and they are sending even paltry numbers of criminals, some of whom are children, with that group that is leaving Kingslanding which is juxtaposed by a few members of the Night's Watch wining and dining, then outright begging a dwarf in the vein hope that it will mean supplies. Its not even Winter yet as presented in the old lady's story or the old man's bones and they are running low on everything a army needs to defend let alone attack, which means sieges and the ability to launch sorties. They are running out of skilled personnel, they are running out of food, their equipment is worn out and not being replaced, and their rangers/scouts aren't returning (first episode) - I don't know about you, but I didn't see a whole lot of food, weapons, armor, or experts being sent with those criminals and children. The Wall most of all needs food and to get food in that world, you need farmers, and farmers need families to work the damn places so as to not lose the knowledge it takes to do the task over generations. In their world, farmers aren't trained, their born - the rest, the ability to make tools, weapons, armor, and raise animals would just be a freakin bonus to having people's needs met. See, I am doing my damned best to only consider what has happened in the show and a few games, not what I have read in the books.
    poshniallo wrote: »
    He says he is speculating about something happening while pretending to not have read the books. This means he knows that's not going to happen.

    Man, I am not going to tell you either way how correct or incorrect that statement is but suffice it to say, you really can't say that definitively. My "speculation" is just an opinion based on the show and various games I have played and look forward to playing, like Civ, Mount&Blade, Crusader Kings, etc - if I was a character in the Night's Watch, I would be begging Tyrion for help too because they are boned by things like honour with that damn oath considering how little of that the people to the south of them have or are sending them.

    I am going to go look for some more Game of Thrones mods/maps or maybe crack open the map maker for Civ. Laters.

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  • JustTeeJustTee Registered User regular
    I mean, isn't that the whole point of the Wall chapters? To show how run down and ill equipped it is to deal with the incoming winter?

    Like, it's all doom and gloom, and I understand that this is a common trope in fantasy novels where "bad things will happen" and then nothing of consequence really actually happens.

    If you hadn't already guessed
    Spoiler:

    The sense of dread you get when watching just what a shit show the wall is...I imagine...the goal? So good job to the actors/producers/director/set people...

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    Don't know if this has been posted in here, but in case it hasn't

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Registered User regular
    Just got the fundage to pick up the blu-ray set of season 1.

    Preparing for a full season re-watch with the pop-up info on and then check out at least the Emilia Clarke commentary.

    5 days to go!!

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  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    JustTee wrote: »
    If you've read the books, you pretty much can't comment on future events or speculations, because every thing you say is basically spoilerific.

    As someone who's read the books, and has a lot of friends who are now watching the show, I pretty much only comment on things that have already happened. Anything I say can ruin a moment later on in the future, so if it hasn't already been shown, just say "wait and see" or don't comment at all.

    This is an excellent post - I was thinking the same thing.

    If you have read all the books, then your speculations show that those events have not happened in books 2-5. Which is a spoiler.

    It's inobvious, I get that. I don't think you're a bad person for missing it.

    But I do think that if someone calls you on spoilers and you argue about it you come off pretty poorly.

    We are just going to keep having these problems the whole way through aren't we? Even though 'no book discussion' is in the title.

    That's... not great, really.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    If you have read the books, it's not hard to keep your commentary to how they've adapted the novels. For example, you get to talk about how you envisioned things vs. how they're depicted here. Or how well/badly actor X has portrayed character Y. Or you can discuss the exciting new scenes where Ros is fucking someone while they monologue and if that adds to/changes your interpretation of the story. You can talk about the really impressive set design and location scouting going on. There is lots to discuss without telling the people who have not read the books what is going to happen in the future.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Yeah, these threads tend to be pretty good about explicit spoilers, but the implicit ones can be just as bad sometimes
    Reading 8 pages of comments like:

    "God, I can't wait until season 3 when Bob [spoilerz]"
    "Yeah or season 2 when Joe will [spoilerzz]"
    "It's too bad that they cast such a great actor for a minor character like Bill"

    Welp, now we know Bob will survive season 2, Bill will never really be that important and/or die soon, and Joe might die in season 3

    Personally I don't actually mind ending spoilers that much, but getting spoiled on the surprises leading up to it can really kill a story's fun.

    EDIT: Correct me bad use of words, words be hard

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    I don't even mind those, personally. Like I knew who blew up the bus in season two of Veronica Mars from the second season premiere.

    I didn't know who killed Lily Kane though, and it was fun to figure it out (I was right!).

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  • poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    Yeah, pretty are pretty good about explicit spoilers, but the implicit ones can be pretty dumb too.

    Reading 8 pages of comments like:

    "God, I can't wait until season 3 when Bob [spoilerz]"
    "Yeah or season 2 when Joe will [spoilerzz]"
    "It's too bad that they cast such a great actor for a minor character like Bill"

    Welp, now we know Bob will survive season 2, Bill will never really be that important and/or die soon, and Joe might die in season 3

    Personally I don't actually mind ending spoilers that much, but getting spoiled on the surprises leading up to it can really kill a story's fun.

    Yes, I've been having the same problem with ME3.

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  • Cultural Geek GirlCultural Geek Girl Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    I agree that we have to be careful about spoilers. I've actually studiously avoided telling people who my favorite characters are until after they read the books, because the fact that I like them might imply something about their future actions, if they haven't done anything favorite-worthy yet on TV.

    That said, my favorite characters on the TV series don't exactly line up with my favorite characters in the books, at least not yet.

    Where I'm a little more hesitant is things that are heavily implied but not explicitly stated in the series, but completely and explicitly established in the corresponding part of the first book. I will give you a completely made up and implausible example:

    If book 1 explicitly states that, say, Littlefinger's mother was actually a ten-foot-tall talking carrot... and the show just says "Oh Littlefinger, your mother was a conical orange vegetable of great size," and then pans to a painting of a giant carrot... if someone says "you know, I think Littlefinger's mother is a giant talking carrot" can we say "yes, you're right. It's strongly implied in the series but explicitly established in the books."

    I'm not talking about things that are glossed over to the point that they may be saving them for later reveals, I'm talking about things that we're clearly meant to infer in the series but that are explained in great detail in the first book.

    I've been erring on the side of safety and spoilers tags with things like this, but I'm curious.

    Actual example spoilered.
    Spoiler:

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    No, that is a thing which was depicted on screen. If people are bad at interpreting television that's their problem.

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  • NibbleNibble FormosaRegistered User regular
    Did that even happen in the first season? I don't remember that.

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  • Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    Yep, it happened a couple of times.

    I don't know how you could see "Character is doing something/seeing something that shouldn't be possible, then you see him waking up" and not get that's a dream.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    You can sort of a make a reasonable assumption that Benjen as the younger brother didn't really have anything in his future (best case: his kids eventually become like the Karstarks, I suppose; depends how much of the land in the North has been handed out to various lords), so did something his family considers super honorable.

    I don't know...his brother is the Warden of the North, and Lord of Winterfell. Like, one step down from the damn King. I have to think that family could come up with some land for the one and only brother than Ned had. We're not talking about the Freys, here. I just can't come up with any good reason for Benjen to go, aside from Honor(TM) or some kind of...situation...that we aren't told about.

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  • Look Out it's Sabs!Look Out it's Sabs! Registered User regular
    Maybe he joined the Night's Watch before Brandon died. They never mention what he was up to during the whole rebellion war. Though do we know how much younger Benjen is to Ned?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    mcdermott wrote: »
    You can sort of a make a reasonable assumption that Benjen as the younger brother didn't really have anything in his future (best case: his kids eventually become like the Karstarks, I suppose; depends how much of the land in the North has been handed out to various lords), so did something his family considers super honorable.

    I don't know...his brother is the Warden of the North, and Lord of Winterfell. Like, one step down from the damn King. I have to think that family could come up with some land for the one and only brother than Ned had. We're not talking about the Freys, here. I just can't come up with any good reason for Benjen to go, aside from Honor(TM) or some kind of...situation...that we aren't told about.

    They've been divvying up the land for a loooooong time. Eventually you run out and arbitrarily stripping vassals of land to give to your brother will make your other vassals kind of pissed.

    Or I've been playing too much Crusader Kings 2.

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  • DibsDibs Registered User regular
    Damn it, damned if I do, damned if I don't. This is just making me think two things: 1) If you have read the books, don't even bother trying to have a discussion on the show or 2) Spoiler EVERYTHING ... and people are probably going to get pissed anyways just clicking on it.

    It's actually pretty simple.

    1) Yes, exactly. Go to the book thread and talk about the show there. If people in this thread are discussing something and you know the answer just don't say anything.. Or quote it in the book thread and talk about it there. Even if it's something that happened in the show, I'd say it's dangerous to say anything that isn't - for example - on the HBO website or something.

    2) If it happened in season 1, it seems like people are spoilering it in this thread. Ya, you're going to want to spoiler everything.

    I've read the books and have LOVED watching the show. Not a single one of my friends has read the books (or had when the show started) and as difficult as it is to keep a straight face when they (season 1 spoilers)
    Spoiler:
    , you don't say anything.

    That said, I've got to believe that there is simply nowhere safe on the internet if you really want to be spoiler free. It is way too easy for an anonymous person like myself to post whatever I want in this thread knowing that it's going to ruin at least one person's viewing experience.

    Happy viewing show watchers.

  • SevorakSevorak Registered User regular
    Maybe he joined the Night's Watch before Brandon died. They never mention what he was up to during the whole rebellion war. Though do we know how much younger Benjen is to Ned?

    If he did join the Watch after the rebellion, it's not that hard to imagine that seeing the realm tear itself apart and losing two of his siblings might make him want to withdraw from society. The Watch is an honorable way to do that.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    Can we do the usual thing and allow season one spoilers "in the clear" once season two is underway? Makes the thread a lot easier to dig through, and conversation easier.

  • OrganichuOrganichu Registered User regular
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Can we do the usual thing and allow season one spoilers "in the clear" once season two is underway? Makes the thread a lot easier to dig through, and conversation easier.

    i don't really have a strong opinion on the matter. this is my first tv show thread i've made so i am fine doing basically whatever y'all say is the best thing. the strict spoilers thing only ever arose because a bunch of people PM'd me as the OP to request that policy and once i asked a mod he said he was going to enforce it.

    if everyone here wants season 1 stuff to be regarded as common knowledge once s2 has aired, i guess that is ok with me? is that how it's usually done with tv show threads?

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  • Captain TragedyCaptain Tragedy Registered User regular
    edited March 2012
    I'd personally like S1 to be "open" once S2 begins just to make the thread more readable (seems like other TV show threads do that), but like Organichu, I'm fine either way.

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  • mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    Coolio. And yeah, in most TV show threads I've frequented, past seasons are treated as common knowledge. Current seasons vary from "spoiler for a week or so to let DVR people watch on their own schedule" to "spoiler everything, you asshole." Given the...nature of this series I lean towards the latter, even though I tend to stay current (and have read the books, or at least past the show).

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    I would agree with S1 being open by Sunday night and spoiler plot developments from S2 as they happen on TV. Though I know I'll forget to do the latter. I apologize in advance.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    Dibs wrote: »
    Damn it, damned if I do, damned if I don't. This is just making me think two things: 1) If you have read the books, don't even bother trying to have a discussion on the show or 2) Spoiler EVERYTHING ... and people are probably going to get pissed anyways just clicking on it.

    It's actually pretty simple.

    1) Yes, exactly. Go to the book thread and talk about the show there. If people in this thread are discussing something and you know the answer just don't say anything.. Or quote it in the book thread and talk about it there.

    But that's fucking retarded, because what he said really was complete speculation unbacked by anything from the books

    So maybe people should stop feeling incredibly butthurt all the time

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  • InvisibleInvisible Registered User regular
    I don't think you're going to be able to discuss the first season unspoilered without some people getting extremely pissed. I think it's dumb and hampers discussion, but the second someone accidentally wanders into the thread and sees the spoiler, they're going to go apeshit and the thread will derail for pages on OMG we have spoilers tags use them.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    Invisible wrote: »
    I don't think you're going to be able to discuss the first season unspoilered without some people getting extremely pissed. I think it's dumb and hampers discussion, but the second someone accidentally wanders into the thread and sees the spoiler, they're going to go apeshit and the thread will derail for pages on OMG we have spoilers tags use them.

    If they're super-invested in not being spoiled they probably shouldn't be reading about it on the internet

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  • OrganichuOrganichu Registered User regular
    if that is the way we end up going i will probably just put something in the thread title warning that s1 spoilers will be unlabeled.

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  • KanaKana Registered User regular
    If you need to type both "incredibly retarded" and "butthurt" into any post, take it as a hint that it probably doesn't need to be written

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    Let's all butthurt this incredibly retarded post!

    We sell fights and get into products.
  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    Kana wrote: »
    If you need to type both "incredibly retarded" and "butthurt" into any post, take it as a hint that it probably doesn't need to be written

    It's such a fucking ridiculous situation. Someone really is speculating about something, but having acknowledged that he read the books, people assume he is being a jackass and spoilering them by proxy. He can't say "No, I'm not, we haven't actually gotten to that in the books yet" because then zomg book discussion. Maybe people should, I dunno, assume good faith, that seems like a plan.

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