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  • s7apsters7apster Registered User regular
    The economy is like an engine? Ohhh....oh okay. I think I get it now.

    Fuel in the engine! Cain 2012!

  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    Pawlenty: With great blessings come great responsibility. God made America like Spider Man.

    Huntsman: Cancer, bankruptcy, fear, misery, failure. It's morning in America.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava One day, I will be able to say to myself "I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered User regular
    ....

    Pawlenty is leading a 30 second prayer....

    Bachmann wants to become President in order to end Obama's Presidency.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    Fuck yeah, Spider-Man

    If he actually just said "this country should be like motherfucking Spider-Man" I would totally vote for him, no joke

    He has to pronounce the hyphen, though

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Synthesis wrote:
    OptimusZed wrote:

    Edit: Or hell, Nixon.

    Nixon was an evil son of a bitch, but I'd vote for Zombie Nixon in a second. Sad as it is to say, the paranoid freak was the last great president we had. And, at least, the man knew when to get out of a losing war.

    Nixon is quick to be pointed out as evil--and not without reason--as well as corrupt (he ended the Vietnam war, but until that, he carried out the US policy of "Bomb the shit out of the country and everyone in it."). It's probably just me, though, but I'm always surprised how, even among left-leaning circles, Reagan often gets a free pass, despite doing some truly Nixon-level horrible evil shit: for example, giving a pass to, publicly befriending, and even in some areas assisting a Guatamalan mass murderer because, hey, he happens to be an Evangelical and a School of Americas guy, so he must be okay, right?

    I'm reluctant to actually call out anyone as being evil, but among people who are still alive, Rios Montt is one of the few I'd acknowledge is Hollywood movie evil. But no ones heard of him, so Reagan gets a pass, apparently.

    Iran-Contra/North was a fairly corrupt bargain as well--though I guess it's difficult to compare to Watergate/Nixon's strongarm tactics in general. Though, in Nixon's defense (*shudder*), one of these things killed a lot more innocent children and nuns than the other.
    I thought it went without saying that Reagan was an evil dickhole.

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  • CantelopeCantelope Registered User regular
    Repeal sarbonese Oxley... I can't believe he said that with a straight face.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Cantelope wrote:
    Repeal sarbonese Oxley... I can't believe he said that with a straight face.
    Or even knew what it was.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    Tim Pawlenty is like Peter Parker, if Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive complete lack of charisma.

  • jbraggjbragg Registered User regular
    Cantelope wrote:
    Repeal sarbonese Oxley... I can't believe he said that with a straight face.

    He's just saying, "Things where all going well when we had Enron and Worldcom. Why was that bad?"

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    Fox news analyst: "The loser of tonight's debate was the Republican party."

  • DashuiDashui Registered User regular
    Crap, I forgot to watch the debate. Is it over, and if so, is there a place I can still watch it?

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  • South hostSouth host I obey without question Registered User regular
    Fox is reshowing it in an hour.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax Registered User regular
    Fox news analyst: "The loser of tonight's debate was the Republican party."

    Like I said. They really want Perry.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    GOP Primary debates are basically just opportunities for all the candidates to come together, hate on Obama and take turns beating their general election chances into the ground.

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  • TehSlothTehSloth Looking for a girl who hates everything that I hate Except meRegistered User regular
    Dashui wrote:
    Crap, I forgot to watch the debate. Is it over, and if so, is there a place I can still watch it?

    I believe you can watch like, all of the last 15 or so hours of programming on http://live.foxnews.com/

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  • fortisfortis Registered User regular
    That was a great debate if taken in the context that all these candidates are still terrible. The moderators actually asked tough questions, there were fights between the candidates (and the moderators), and they all brought the appropriate amount of crazy.

  • s7apsters7apster Registered User regular
    The guy sitting next to that woman on this talking heads fox analysis show looks...just so sad and defeated every time she opens her mouth.

  • jbraggjbragg Registered User regular
    fortis wrote:
    That was a great debate if taken in the context that all these candidates are still terrible. The moderators actually asked tough questions, there were fights between the candidates (and the moderators), and they all brought the appropriate amount of crazy.

    At times, I swore they had, "If wish to pick fight between Santorum and Paul, ask this question...." on their blue cards

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava One day, I will be able to say to myself "I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered User regular
    How was the question to Bachmann's being 'submissive' to her husband a good question?

    I mean, I get that it's attacking some of the right wing stuff, but it was a poorly worded question.

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  • TheBlackWindTheBlackWind Registered User regular
    @AnnieLowrey: And the Donna Summer song that Herman Cain quoted is from Pokemon: The Movie 2000. #notkidding”

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    How was the question to Bachmann's being 'submissive' to her husband a good question?

    I mean, I get that it's attacking some of the right wing stuff, but it was a poorly worded question.

    I think fair is fair. If you campaign on being a religious nutjob, and a big part of that is being submissive to your husband (and general female inferiority), shouldn't the husband be the one running as he's the one that would ultimately be running the show?


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  • TehSlothTehSloth Looking for a girl who hates everything that I hate Except meRegistered User regular
    How was the question to Bachmann's being 'submissive' to her husband a good question?

    I mean, I get that it's attacking some of the right wing stuff, but it was a poorly worded question.

    I missed that, but I'm guessing it was a reference to her saying before that she became a tax lawyer because her husband asked her to and wives need to submit to their husbands. I don't remember the details because it's a pretty insane story but if the word submissive or submit was thrown around that's probably why.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax Registered User regular
    Also, they are lowering expectations like a mofo.

    I liked how much the crowd hated a submissive Bachmann.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava One day, I will be able to say to myself "I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered User regular
    TehSloth wrote:
    How was the question to Bachmann's being 'submissive' to her husband a good question?

    I mean, I get that it's attacking some of the right wing stuff, but it was a poorly worded question.

    I missed that, but I'm guessing it was a reference to her saying before that she became a tax lawyer because her husband asked her to and wives need to submit to their husbands. I don't remember the details because it's a pretty insane story but if the word submissive or submit was thrown around that's probably why.

    That's what it was based on. The question itself was more or less on the lines of "If you were President of the United States, would you be submissive to your husband?"

    I get the point behind asking it. I get the whole religious nutjob thing and everything, but the way the question was worded just seemed.

    I dunno, it was a bit.... eh. It struck a wrong chord with me.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    How was the question to Bachmann's being 'submissive' to her husband a good question?

    I mean, I get that it's attacking some of the right wing stuff, but it was a poorly worded question.

    Going by any actual definition of the word submissive I don't want really any member of government being always submissive to, well, anyone really that isn't actually their boss.

    But Bachman apparently believes submissive means respects.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax Registered User regular
    They actually mention storylines in this analysis. I find that word interesting.

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  • jbraggjbragg Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    I dunno, it was a bit.... eh. It struck a wrong chord with me.

    It was meant to. When she said "Women should be submissive to their husbands because the bible said so," she points out the wee bit of bias in the ole good book.

    We live in the modern world. Women are just as capable in anything as men. The question was meant to ask her to explain how she can say or believe one thing and then still be on that stage. The question, as did many in that debate, openly proposed that the candidate was a hypocrite. And to go back to what Fencingsax said, man, do they really want Perry.

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  • jbraggjbragg Registered User regular
    Quid wrote:
    But Bachman apparently believes submissive means respects.

    Which, of course, it doesn't.

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    Is.

    Is a hypocrite.

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  • TehSlothTehSloth Looking for a girl who hates everything that I hate Except meRegistered User regular
    TehSloth wrote:
    How was the question to Bachmann's being 'submissive' to her husband a good question?

    I mean, I get that it's attacking some of the right wing stuff, but it was a poorly worded question.

    I missed that, but I'm guessing it was a reference to her saying before that she became a tax lawyer because her husband asked her to and wives need to submit to their husbands. I don't remember the details because it's a pretty insane story but if the word submissive or submit was thrown around that's probably why.

    That's what it was based on. The question itself was more or less on the lines of "If you were President of the United States, would you be submissive to your husband?"

    I get the point behind asking it. I get the whole religious nutjob thing and everything, but the way the question was worded just seemed.

    I dunno, it was a bit.... eh. It struck a wrong chord with me.

    Eh guess I didn't miss anything good, I stepped away from the interwebs to prepare myself for an evening of debauchery.

    Overall it was much more interesting of a debate than I thought it'd be, I don't really think it'll impact the straw poll (I'm mostly waiting to see if there's a large number of write-ins for Rick Parry, with an A as in America!)

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  • jbraggjbragg Registered User regular
    Quid wrote:
    Is.

    Is a hypocrite.

    Fair enough.

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  • jbraggjbragg Registered User regular
    TehSloth wrote:
    Eh guess I didn't miss anything good, I stepped away from the interwebs to prepare myself for an evening of debauchery.

    Nah, not much. Fight between Pawlenty and Bachmann, fight between Santorum and Paul. Romney deflecting. Huntsman trying to pose sane answers which made him sound all the worse. Cain, "I'm a businessman and I got jokes" and Angry Gingritch. Oh and some fights between the candidates and the moderators...it was almost as if they were expecting softball questions or something....

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  • QuidQuid The Fifth Horseman Registered User regular
    jbragg wrote:
    Quid wrote:
    But Bachman apparently believes submissive means respects.

    Which, of course, it doesn't.

    Listen we could discuss this all day but I have to take the person who respects me a whole lot to the S&M club. So they can be respectful to me in front of lots of people.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava One day, I will be able to say to myself "I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered User regular
    yeah, to be honest the questions were all a bit more pointed than i was expecting.

    and a lot more pointed than i think the candidates were expecting.

    Hunstman won points with me on his NCLB answer and I vaguely remember his civil unions answer not sucking too badly.

    Cain won some minor points with 'america needs to know how to take a joke' line, which granted had me chuckle a bit.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Quotes from Sullivan's live blog that amused me:
    I'd do a shot for every policy proposal, but I doubt I'd get a buzz on.

    (one of his readers):
    I think I just heard Santorum say Iran "tramples the rights of gays", and even made it sound like a bad thing ... reading the Sierra Nevada label now to see if hallucinations are a possible side effect.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand motivated battle programmerRegistered User regular
    This link was in my email from 3 hours ago.

    http://www.barackobama.com/gopdebatewatch?source=20110811_jm_ct&utm_medium=email&utm_source=obama&utm_campaign=20110811_jm_ct

    I think it's the first email I've gotten from the official Obama '12 campaign. Pretty funny it's "hey check out these nutters tonight".

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  • ChrysisChrysis Registered User regular
    jbragg wrote:
    I dunno, it was a bit.... eh. It struck a wrong chord with me.

    It was meant to. When she said "Women should be submissive to their husbands because the bible said so," she points out the wee bit of bias in the ole good book.

    We live in the modern world. Women are just as capable in anything as men. The question was meant to ask her to explain how she can say or believe one thing and then still be on that stage. The question, as did many in that debate, openly proposed that the candidate was a hypocrite. And to go back to what Fencingsax said, man, do they really want Perry.

    That, or the question was intended to answer if a vote for her for President was actually a vote for her husband. If her husband told her to veto a bill that she liked, would she do it?

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  • jbraggjbragg Registered User regular
    I vaguely remember his civil unions answer not sucking too badly.

    It's because he was the only candidate that said something even to the extent of "Hey, gay folks have rights too..."

    And enlightenedbum, that Sierra Nevada line cracked me up. Sullivan and his "Dish" continue to be one of my favorite websites.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited August 2011
    jbragg wrote:
    I vaguely remember his civil unions answer not sucking too badly.

    It's because he was the only candidate that said something even to the extent of "Hey, gay folks have rights too..."

    To be fair, Rick Santorum said that gay folks have rights.

    Just only in Iran.

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  • lonelyahavalonelyahava One day, I will be able to say to myself "I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered User regular
    Lawndart wrote:
    jbragg wrote:
    I vaguely remember his civil unions answer not sucking too badly.

    It's because he was the only candidate that said something even to the extent of "Hey, gay folks have rights too..."

    To be fair, Rick Santorum said that gay folks have rights.

    Just only in Iran.

    that was really one of the weirder moments.

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