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$('#you').appendTo('#compton').css('color', 'white');well that is what fielding percentage measures
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but i don't think he was particularly close to ozzie
Jeter on the other hand is listed as the second worst shortstop in terms of total fielding run with -114.4, just "behind" Ricky Gutierrez who had -122.8.
However, combining both hitting and fielding and whatnot, Honus Wagner is still the best shortstop ever.
there's also this article by bill james where he goes into estimating how many plays an infielder (he goes through shortstops in the examples) made vs. how many he should have been expected to make
http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/relative-factors.asp
it's pretty long, but interesting if you're into that kind of thing
it's got some flaws which he goes into (not least of which is that vizquel performs pretty poorly using this metric)
I...don't...know.
Then again, I don't know the 1st, 2nd, 3rd baseman...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/v/vizquom01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ripkeca01.shtml
Sorry but this is just wrong. Ripken is clearly better. I mean defensively it isn't even close.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_def_career.shtml
In defensive wins above replacement ALL TIME Ripken is 10th. Ozzie Smith is fourth, but Ozzie never had Ripken's bat.
In all time WAR Ripken is 38, Vizquel is tied for 357.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_career.shtml
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ignoring the nonsensical billy beane statement, which list are you referring to?
The third link FortyTwo posted. All time defensive WAR rankings.
I mean, I don't completely understand it, but Andruw Jones is rated as the highest CF of all time?
Also, Bonds the best LF of all-time even though he couldn't run the latter 3rd of his career. He and Jones are/were apparently better defensively than Vizquel, Ripken, and Willie Mays.
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he has the highest defensive war, yes. doesn't necessarily mean he is objectively the best defensive cf ever, it means he scores highest using baseball ref's metric
i can't think of anybody i've seen play who was better than andruw jones (obviously someone who saw willie mays play would probably disagree with baseball ref's results)
also according to that link omar vizquel has a 13.8 dwar (tied for 28th all time) and rey ordonez has a 5.6 dwar (tied for 233rd all time)
you're probably confusing rey sanchez and rey ordonez
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Get your WAR's and UZR's off my lawn.
comparing players historically using defensive war isn't perfect, partially because there is much more data available now (as schide mentioned earlier since 02 they've used UZR, before that TZ), partially because evaluating defense is harder than evaluating offense
but what else do we have? it seems like most people are just content on judging defense based on the Eye Test. but that has a ton of problems just when comparing players from the same era (joe posnanski has written extensively on the subject), never mind different ones. like can you really say willie mays was a better fielder than andruw jones? based on what? i'm guessing you never saw willie mays play. so you're probably judging him on "the catch" and other people's first-person accounts. but those accounts become exaggerated and expanded over time. good plays become great ones, great ones become spectacular.
stats are there to confirm what we see on the field but also to challenge it, to suggest that maybe some players weren't as great as we remembered and maybe some were better than we thought
I'd way rather have drunken bar arguments with hoary old farts about baseball than try to use fancy metrics on historical figures, beyond a certain point.
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Well, since he came back from injury he's had a .829 OPS, but that's been driven by a high SLG% and only a .280 OBP, which is downright awful. Although in that time his BABIP is only .250, so his AVG might improve, but his walk rate is just terrible. For the year he's still only playing at a replacement level, but perhaps he can improve to something like an average or the above average player he was last year for the rest of the year.
Still most likely to be more valuable in fantasy than real life though.
Stop that.
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73 wRC+!
$26,642,857!
Fine, I'll put a statement we can all agree on.
I really don't understand why people are so terrified of them. I mean, I get why certain baseball people don't like it, but it's not really just "billy beane bullshit," or whatever, since virtually every team in the league uses them to a certain extent now.
I mean if you're saying they suck you basically exist on the same level as joe morgan and everyone should aspire to not be joe morgan
Great. Now we can argue about Rivera's FPOM vs. Hoffman's pNERD for the next three pages.
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agreed, what is it good for?
FPOM though, I love that stat.
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