[WH40K] Roses are red, violets are blue, I worship chaos, and BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Solar

Anon the Felon wrote:

mugginns wrote:

My OCD hobby buddies always give me crap for gluing turrets. I *hate* moving parts on my models.

I'm the same way. I usually start with moving parts, leaving turrets off, ramps/window coverings loose to move, and sponsons free spinning.

Then I get to painting and get highly frustrated at all the bits flopping around and just glue them in place. The worst offender is the Predator and Vindicator. When the turrets are loose they just look silly. The Predator's cannons just kind of dangle and point to the ground.

I hate fucking Predator sponsons. They always snap off, and I can never get them to stick on again. Poorly designed bit of work, to be honest.

Dayspring

Ken O wrote:

I won some Forge World Salamander doors on ebay yesterday. I have no idea when I'll actually be buying tanks though. I honestly didn't think I had a chance to win the auction.

My buddy ended up with, like, 8 wraithlords this way.

valhalla130

I just read thru one of the previous threads and came across pics of someone's friend's Guard force and... I was humbled. He had every model there is, Valhallan, Tallarn, Mordian, Praetorian, Cadian, Attilan Roughriders, vehicles galore...

I want to be that wealthy.

Dayspring

Was it Tim's?
It was probably Tim's.

Nax

Solar wrote:

Anon the Felon wrote:

mugginns wrote:

My OCD hobby buddies always give me crap for gluing turrets. I *hate* moving parts on my models.

I'm the same way. I usually start with moving parts, leaving turrets off, ramps/window coverings loose to move, and sponsons free spinning.

Then I get to painting and get highly frustrated at all the bits flopping around and just glue them in place. The worst offender is the Predator and Vindicator. When the turrets are loose they just look silly. The Predator's cannons just kind of dangle and point to the ground.

I hate fucking Predator sponsons. They always snap off, and I can never get them to stick on again. Poorly designed bit of work, to be honest.

Buy Baal Pred kits. The newly designed sponsons are so fucking worth it, EVEN if you have to find and buy an AC or Las turret/las sponsons

Gabriel_Pitt

Solar wrote:

Anon the Felon wrote:

mugginns wrote:

My OCD hobby buddies always give me crap for gluing turrets. I *hate* moving parts on my models.

I'm the same way. I usually start with moving parts, leaving turrets off, ramps/window coverings loose to move, and sponsons free spinning.

Then I get to painting and get highly frustrated at all the bits flopping around and just glue them in place. The worst offender is the Predator and Vindicator. When the turrets are loose they just look silly. The Predator's cannons just kind of dangle and point to the ground.

I hate fucking Predator sponsons. They always snap off, and I can never get them to stick on again. Poorly designed bit of work, to be honest.

That's why I've got mine held on with magnets. Can't snap off and easily swappable.

W2

I finally had my first proper game of 40k tonight since my friends and I started painting again a couple of weeks ago, had a lot of fun. We're still relatively new and learning the game, so this was the first game we'd played where we'd integrated all of the rules (which is to say, stuff like Instant Death never came up in the past because I'd never hit a unit with a krak missile, just a frag blast.)

1300 points Orks (my friend) vs C:SM (me), capture & control. Gold medal to my BP/CCW scouts who managed to break and sweeping advance a unit of Deffkoptas and inflict serious hurt on a squad of burna boyz. I love those little guys.

This is a fun hobby you guys have got, and I'm thrilled to finally be able to participate.

valhalla130

Dayspring wrote:

Was it Tim's?
It was probably Tim's.

nah, I know Tim. This was someone else posting about a friend's army. I'll see if I can find it again. The pics were glorious. I wish I could just quote it.

EDIT: It was Saluksic, posting in July of 2010. Pg 48 of the Tim is on a horse thread.

mugginns

I put up a quick battle report at our blog. My buddy's Blood Angels are really nicely painted.

valhalla130

I talked to someone in customer service the other day trying to get that old metal beret trooper I wanted, and when we got to talking, he tried to convince me the stormtroopers had three different versions. The old berets, the Inquisition version and the new Kasrkin.

Uh, the Kasrkin were first intro'd during Armageddon, and then turned in Inquisitorial troops. Then they rescuplted the gas masks and introduced them as newer Cadian models, but they are mostly the same, aren't they? Even the poses are the same.

Mr_Rose

valhalla130 wrote:

I talked to someone in customer service the other day trying to get that old metal beret trooper I wanted, and when we got to talking, he tried to convince me the stormtroopers had three different versions. The old berets, the Inquisition version and the new Kasrkin.

Uh, the Kasrkin were first intro'd during Armageddon, and then turned in Inquisitorial troops. Then they rescuplted the gas masks and introduced them as newer Cadian models, but they are mostly the same, aren't they? Even the poses are the same.

There have indeed been three sets of Storm Trooper models, if you count Kasrkin as Storm Troopers. The Royal Marines set your sergeant is from, the hooded and masked Inquisitorial dudes and finally the Kasrkin.

The hooded guys did have much the same poses as the modern kasrkin, but most of the detail was different; the helmets, shoulder-pads, guns and armour are all different, and the Kasrkin are actually bigger overall, IIRC.

saluksic

valhalla130 wrote:

Dayspring wrote:

Was it Tim's?
It was probably Tim's.

nah, I know Tim. This was someone else posting about a friend's army. I'll see if I can find it again. The pics were glorious. I wish I could just quote it.

EDIT: It was Saluksic, posting in July of 2010. Pg 48 of the Tim is on a horse thread.

I'm glad you liked those. My friend Brian has a big shed on his property called the shop. A friend of his, Mr. Hayes, keep all his warhammer armies there. He stopped collecting a few years ago, as far as I can tell, but his is the most prodigious collection I have ever seen.

I wanted to share pictures of it because I'm always amazed at how much there is. Besides the IG there are orks, tyrannids, eldar, Warmaster, and Epic. We've been using his stuff since middle school, before any of us owned any models. The shop's vast treasures are basically the reason all my friends and I got into warhammer at all.

valhalla130

EDIT: Apparently, all this is incorrect...

Mr_Rose wrote:

valhalla130 wrote:

I talked to someone in customer service the other day trying to get that old metal beret trooper I wanted, and when we got to talking, he tried to convince me the stormtroopers had three different versions. The old berets, the Inquisition version and the new Kasrkin.

Uh, the Kasrkin were first intro'd during Armageddon, and then turned in Inquisitorial troops. Then they rescuplted the gas masks and introduced them as newer Cadian models, but they are mostly the same, aren't they? Even the poses are the same.

There have indeed been three sets of Storm Trooper models, if you count Kasrkin as Storm Troopers. The Royal Marines set your sergeant is from, the hooded and masked Inquisitorial dudes and finally the Kasrkin.

The hooded guys did have much the same poses as the modern kasrkin, but most of the detail was different; the helmets, shoulder-pads, guns and armour are all different, and the Kasrkin are actually bigger overall, IIRC.

When the gasmasked ST's werwe first intro'd during Armageddon, they were intro'd as Cadian Kasrkin Stormtroopers. Later, when the Witchhunter' Codex came out, some really creative guy thought they needed another troop choice for Inquisitors, so they added the Stormtroopers as Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. These used the same models.

Later, they barely redid the sculpts for the current models. Different, slightly different, shoulder pads and gas masks. And then just took to calling them Kasrkin.

The reasoning at the time for the resculpt was that the gas mask look was rather silly, and they wanted them to look a bit better.

valhalla130

Crap. I'm wrong. I placed my faith in what I was told, and he led me wrong.

The storm troopers on GW's site right now are the same ones I remember from Armageddon. The Kasrkin are the resculpted models, and may even be in plastic. Apparently they are different.

But the troll told me the Kasrkin were the new models of ST's. Well, that's false, if their site is to go by.

altmann

I use Kasrkin as stormtroopers as do many, many people. They have the charged up lasguns and such and they look FUCKING AWESOME.

Sharp101

Keep in mind that Kasrkin are technically also Stormtroopers. But they're just badass Cadian Stormtroopers.

-Loki-

I thought Kasrkin were initially meant to be Cadians with the old Grenadeirs doctrine? It's just awesome they double as badass Stormtroopers.

saluksic

They look so cool. Who doesn't want goggles like that?

FroThulhu

The gas mask Ghostbuster Stormtroopers were released very shortly after the first 3rdEd Imperial Guard codex, wayyy back when. They were the only new non-Catachan IG model for a couple years, IIRC. Then, after the '3.5' IG codex, which was all-Cadian, the Kasrkin were released as a Cadian-specific Stormtrooper-type unit. They were essentially a fluff-service(heh) model/unit, as basic Stormtroopers were still a thing.

I'unno... I just know that Stormtroopers need a plastic set. Like... rull bad.

Mystery.Shadow

Did someone say Ghostbuster Stormtrooper?

Spoilered for size:

Spoiler:

Who ya gonna call?

saluksic

Perfered enemy: Demons.

SJ

Can't even see the images.

ObiFett

Newest rumors from dakka:

6th edition (to be book-ended by DA and Eldar releases) is coming out next year.

Necrons still coming out this year.

Tau aren't even being worked on and their release isn't on the radar.

damnit

SJ

To be fair the Tau don't really count anyway.

ObiFett

too mean SJ

:cry:

too mean

OtakuD00D

Tips for a 1500 list? My friend has two Black Reach box set's worth of mereens and plays Black Templars. He's open to buying Rhinos, possibly even a Land Raider. Land Speeders are also an option- I got a friend sitting on a few he can probably let him borrow for a while. Drop pods are fine too since someone linked to the papercraft ones. I think he's leaning towards the Vanquisher after I told him about how Power of the Machine Spirit lets it run 12" then fire its bigass gun of death.

FroThulhu

Tim that's... that's beatiful.

Also, Tau are awesome. Nothing gamebreaking, fairly cool fluff, completely tactics-based. In short, everything a Marine player would hate. No wonder GW neglects them.

valhalla130

Man, this happened to me last time. Once I get into 40K I have to remind myself that other things I enjoy also exist. Although, to be fair, when Skyrim comes out, it'll probably be a month before I come up for air. I need to get those models painted fast so I can relax for that.

SJ

'Completely tactics based' is code for 'dear God this book is awful' hth

Nax

I read an interesting article about how the power of Tau will slowly rise as the popularity of GK and DE continues. Based on the fact that Tau should be able to out shoot them both, and the GK/DE focus on CC doesn't matter to the Tau (since they're dying either way ). It made some good points, but I'm not sure how true it will really be

daveNYC

Nax wrote:

I read an interesting article about how the power of Tau will slowly rise as the popularity of GK and DE continues. Based on the fact that Tau should be able to out shoot them both, and the GK/DE focus on CC doesn't matter to the Tau (since they're dying either way ). It made some good points, but I'm not sure how true it will really be

I guess, but GK and DE are relatively small potatoes (numbers wise) compared to Space Marine (vanilla and funky chapter) armies. Did the article cover those matchups?

mugginns

Nax wrote:

I read an interesting article about how the power of Tau will slowly rise as the popularity of GK and DE continues. Based on the fact that Tau should be able to out shoot them both, and the GK/DE focus on CC doesn't matter to the Tau (since they're dying either way ). It made some good points, but I'm not sure how true it will really be

Did it mention how Tau have no psychic defenses (vs GK)? Seems like it'd be pretty important

Nax

daveNYC wrote:

Nax wrote:

I read an interesting article about how the power of Tau will slowly rise as the popularity of GK and DE continues. Based on the fact that Tau should be able to out shoot them both, and the GK/DE focus on CC doesn't matter to the Tau (since they're dying either way ). It made some good points, but I'm not sure how true it will really be

I guess, but GK and DE are relatively small potatoes (numbers wise) compared to Space Marine (vanilla and funky chapter) armies. Did the article cover those matchups?

Except they're not at major tournament events

saluksic

I love me some plasma rifles and AP 3 snipers. Your MEQs cost how much per model?

daveNYC

Nax wrote:

daveNYC wrote:

Nax wrote:

I read an interesting article about how the power of Tau will slowly rise as the popularity of GK and DE continues. Based on the fact that Tau should be able to out shoot them both, and the GK/DE focus on CC doesn't matter to the Tau (since they're dying either way ). It made some good points, but I'm not sure how true it will really be

I guess, but GK and DE are relatively small potatoes (numbers wise) compared to Space Marine (vanilla and funky chapter) armies. Did the article cover those matchups?

Except they're not at major tournament events

What would you guess is a rough breakdown on the factions for tournament armies?

Tastyfish

SJ wrote:

'Completely tactics based' is code for 'dear God this book is awful' hth

Their thing is mobile firepower, they are never going to be able to outshoot the guard but are supposed to be able to focus their firepower a lot better where it's needed. There's also a lot of inter-reliance between units coming from markerlights and the heavy/special weapons being separate from the basic troops.

It's a style that does lend itself to being more heavily 'tactics based', it just so happens they also have a god-awful book.

Nax

daveNYC wrote:

Nax wrote:

daveNYC wrote:

Nax wrote:

I read an interesting article about how the power of Tau will slowly rise as the popularity of GK and DE continues. Based on the fact that Tau should be able to out shoot them both, and the GK/DE focus on CC doesn't matter to the Tau (since they're dying either way ). It made some good points, but I'm not sure how true it will really be

I guess, but GK and DE are relatively small potatoes (numbers wise) compared to Space Marine (vanilla and funky chapter) armies. Did the article cover those matchups?

Except they're not at major tournament events

What would you guess is a rough breakdown on the factions for tournament armies?

Take the two latest considered OP codices and assume that 50% of all armies at the event will be from those books.

ObiFett

Tastyfish wrote:

SJ wrote:

'Completely tactics based' is code for 'dear God this book is awful' hth

Their thing is mobile firepower, they are never going to be able to outshoot the guard but are supposed to be able to focus their firepower a lot better where it's needed. There's also a lot of inter-reliance between units coming from markerlights and the heavy/special weapons being separate from the basic troops.

It's a style that does lend itself to being more heavily 'tactics based', it just so happens they also have a god-awful book.

Which is only going to get more awful when 6th comes out.

They are my only army and are nigh unplayable at this point. I was barely scraping wins out before DE and GK came out. Necrons are already my hardest matchup and they are getting an update real soon. Then DA and Eldar and 6th before Tau even have a chance of getting updated? Really?

I have never loved a game so much and hated the company that made it so much more.

Anon the Felon

Watch, Tau will come out eventually and the book will be ridiculous. You will roll around the landscape winning game after game, laughing and praising GW for seeing the light.

That's just the GW way.

SJ

Oh I guarantee the Tau book will be nuts whenever it comes out. But right now they're basically 7th world citizens.